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Post by faggotygas on Apr 7, 2015 13:32:28 GMT
I based it mainly on the fact that I've never believed the Conference is as good as League Two having watched a bit of it over the years and that we had kept the better (in terms of effort) bits of our squad together and added some experienced players. I also thought Jamie White was a good signing and a fit Brunt would run riot. Why should we have meekly accepted a play off spot when there was a division to be won? The lowest point for me was at Altrincham but as badly as we played that day it was clear you didn't need to be very good to win games at this level. But most of the squad had to be cobbled together from the best of whatever players happened to be available at the time. That's what kept it a could win, rather than should win, for me. I wouldn't have taken a play off spot if offered either mind, but I do consider it acceptable based on the emergency squad building that we had to go through at the start. |
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Post by frenchgashead on Apr 7, 2015 14:02:13 GMT
We've done as well as any reasonable person could have expected. Obviously we can only win the league if Barnet stumble - we're effectively 2 points behind because of GD. What worries me is that the play-offs are a lottery and the team finishing 2nd (as we should do) doesn't always go up. Anything could happen - just a simple piece of good/bad luck - dodgy penalty/offside etc.
Mid-May is certainly the defining moment for the future of BRFC. Obviously the best outcome would be promotion plus either the UWE or enough money to survive for a few more years. The ghastly prospect is losing in the play-offs just as we lose the court case. If we go into admin that will be an automatic 10 point penalty for next season.
This really is squeaky bum time for everyone.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 7, 2015 14:47:06 GMT
2 points behind because of goal difference doesn't really matter because if we win all three we only really need them to draw one of their games and the title is ours. If they were two poin ts above us then the GD would be more important.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 14:49:54 GMT
Why are the playoffs any more of a lottery than the next three games or the last three games?
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 7, 2015 15:25:37 GMT
2 points behind because of goal difference doesn't really matter because if we win all three we only really need them to draw one of their games and the title is ours. If they were two poin ts above us then the GD would be more important. That's because we are not 2 points behind, but one point plus a worse goal difference. If you really need to convert that into points, then 1.5 would be more accurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 15:37:38 GMT
After 46 games it could all come down to Mildenhall letting in a soft goal v Eastleigh You can look at it that way, or blame him for punching the ball into his own goal at Braintree. But these things balance themselves out. On a different day we wouldn't have been awarded the goal that beat Barnet. That would knock 2 points off of our total and put one onto theirs. On a different day the linesman who had ignored the exact same thing being done for the previous 80 mins wouldn't have decided that he was bored and that it was time to give us a penalty against Torquay. That would have been another point knocked off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 15:39:01 GMT
2 points behind because of goal difference doesn't really matter because if we win all three we only really need them to draw one of their games and the title is ours. If they were two poin ts above us then the GD would be more important. That's because we are not 2 points behind, but one point plus a worse goal difference. If you really need to convert that into points, then 1.5 would be more accurate. How do we get 0.5 of a point please? |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Apr 7, 2015 15:46:43 GMT
Let's just hope the bees fans aren't chirping come 5pm Saturday! I have a few twitter screenshots ready to go, from 5 months ago, mainly Barnet fans giving it the '12 point lead' big un! They will come in handy when/if we have a big fat 'C' sitting next to our name come the seasons end!
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 7, 2015 20:24:41 GMT
That's because we are not 2 points behind, but one point plus a worse goal difference. If you really need to convert that into points, then 1.5 would be more accurate. How do we get 0.5 of a point please? We can't. But saying that superior goal difference is worth half (or any fraction less than one) of a point is more accurate than saying that it is worth a whole point. Obviously neither is actually correct. I'm a bit surprised that I have to explain that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:54:50 GMT
I'm also saying that if offered a 2nd place finish I would have said no thanks because I've thought we can and should win the division all season. It's not "expectation", it's just observation. We're better than virtually every other side I've seen this season. The only side that I've thought were better than us was Eastleigh, but their results suggest that performance level hasn't been sustained like ours generally has. I don't see why we should have accepted 2nd when 1st has always been achievable. did you go to barnet? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 21:19:19 GMT
How do we get 0.5 of a point please? We can't. But saying that superior goal difference is worth half (or any fraction less than one) of a point is more accurate than saying that it is worth a whole point. Obviously neither is actually correct. I'm a bit surprised that I have to explain that. Oh, I see what you are saying, I think. One point top-trumps superior goal difference, therefore a superior goal difference is worth less than a whole point? I guess you could equally argue that a superior goal difference is worth a million points, but they only count if teams have an equal number of points. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 21:23:03 GMT
Nope, nor Braintree. But we were clearly better than both of them at home, so I'd put those early defeats in the same bracket as Altrincham. They came too early for us and if we played them again now we'd win.
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 7, 2015 21:43:57 GMT
Let's just hope the bees fans aren't chirping come 5pm Saturday! I have a few twitter screenshots ready to go, from 5 months ago, mainly Barnet fans giving it the '12 point lead' big un! They will come in handy when/if we have a big fat 'C' sitting next to our name come the seasons end! Just don't send them until we have actually won the thing then, sending them just because we have gone top could tempt fate ! |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Apr 7, 2015 21:45:32 GMT
Let's just hope the bees fans aren't chirping come 5pm Saturday! I have a few twitter screenshots ready to go, from 5 months ago, mainly Barnet fans giving it the '12 point lead' big un! They will come in handy when/if we have a big fat 'C' sitting next to our name come the seasons end! Just don't send them until we have actually won the thing then, sending them just because we have gone top could tempt fate ! That was the idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 0:36:47 GMT
Nope, nor Braintree. But we were clearly better than both of them at home, so I'd put those early defeats in the same bracket as Altrincham. They came too early for us and if we played them again now we'd win. i havnt seen things like that at all,,,until the last 2 matches all ive seen is an endless succession of very tight matches between evenly matched teams and gradually weve emerged as the 2nd best team in the league with 3 games left. all 7 away games ive gone too were very close and most of the home games,,,,as for the braintree and barnet home matches we just about deserved to win both although braintree played much of the match with 10 men. i predicted play-offs at the start of the season after so many years of losing matches that was the best i could hope for and ive stayed optimistic all season about that,,,of course being this close to winning promotion will be massively gutted if we miss out. all i read on this forum at the start of the season was "what a load of crap were signing we will be lucky to finish halfway" were you putting your view that we would win the league with 100 points back in august? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 8:25:18 GMT
I can't remember. I think I've been consistent in that I think we'd win the league. The 100 points thing is hindsight, we could have had 100 based on actual games we've played. I wasn't saying that at the start of the season.
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 8, 2015 9:29:55 GMT
We can't. But saying that superior goal difference is worth half (or any fraction less than one) of a point is more accurate than saying that it is worth a whole point. Obviously neither is actually correct. I'm a bit surprised that I have to explain that. Oh, I see what you are saying, I think. One point top-trumps superior goal difference, therefore a superior goal difference is worth less than a whole point? I guess you could equally argue that a superior goal difference is worth a million points, but they only count if teams have an equal number of points. Exactly |
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 8, 2015 9:33:36 GMT
I can't remember. I think I've been consistent in that I think we'd win the league. The 100 points thing is hindsight, we could have had 100 based on actual games we've played. I wasn't saying that at the start of the season. Would win the league, Could win the league, or should win the league? Massive difference, as one implies criticism of the manager & players if we don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 9:38:22 GMT
Oh, I see what you are saying, I think. One point top-trumps superior goal difference, therefore a superior goal difference is worth less than a whole point? I guess you could equally argue that a superior goal difference is worth a million points, but they only count if teams have an equal number of points. Exactly Whilst I'm on my high horse, another thing. What's this nonsense about 'away goals count double'. No they don't, it's just that the team that scores more away goals wins. If the first leg results in a 1-4 away win and the return fixture is a 2-5 away win, the recorded score isn't 11-10. Rant over, and relax  |
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 8, 2015 9:43:41 GMT
Whilst I'm on my high horse, another thing. What's this nonsense about 'away goals count double'. No they don't, it's just that the team that scores more away goals wins. If the first leg results in a 1-4 away win and the return fixture is a 2-5 away win, the recorded score isn't 11-10. Rant over, and relax Its all shorthand for stupid people (Andy Townsend says it a lot). |
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