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Post by gaseadmb on Apr 4, 2015 11:46:53 GMT
He offers so much more than his goals though! He covers every blade every week, creates chances and has almost a goal every other game record this season.. could be our 20 goal man? Strikers are about more than goals alone, as a centre half myself I know he does all the things I hate to face!
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Post by brizzle on Apr 4, 2015 12:08:25 GMT
The undeniable fact is that he is the teams top-scorer by quite a distance, and as my father used to tell me ''they don't all go in.'' But he definitely seems to be slipping into some kind of a scoring groove. I prefer to file the misses under the heading of coulda, woulda, shoulda.
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Post by Royal Blue on Apr 4, 2015 12:10:50 GMT
I do feel that Matty could/should have scored more than he has done - some of the chances he has missed have been poor. Having said that, every striker misses some chances (good ones at that) and so just because he has missed a few doesn't make him terrible.
I rate him highly for his all-round game. He is a defender's nightmare in terms of movement and engineering opportunities for himself and others. Yesterday he was very good and after scoring a good goal it was pleasing to see near enough every Gashead give him a standing ovation as he was substituted, because he deserved it. That will have done his confidence the world of good at what is the most crucial point of the season.
Opinions are what make football the beautiful game we all know and love, but I seriously do struggle to comprehend what some people expect fifth tier strikers to be achieving. For my money, Taylor's contribution is very good and with 15 goals he is our top scorer and amongst the best scorers in the division. I fear people jump on his back purely because it's the 'in' thing to do.
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Post by Igitur on Apr 4, 2015 12:28:47 GMT
He offers so much more than his goals though! He covers every blade every week, creates chances and has almost a goal every other game record this season.. could be our 20 goal man? Strikers are about more than goals alone, as a centre half myself I know he does all the things I hate to face!
I do not dispute his hard work and chances he makes, he is certainly a trier, my criticism is the number of glaring misses. In the old days he would have been a good No 10/inside forward.
It's a funny thing about polls or opinions, the same player could be considered the best forward and the worst.
A considered response gaseadmb, the trouble with this forum is that threads often break down into personal abuse or ongoing vendettas between members; as an ex-goalkeeper I would not have minded facing Taylor!
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Post by Rex on Apr 4, 2015 12:40:42 GMT
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Post by Rex on Apr 4, 2015 12:43:32 GMT
I have posted this on the Gaslist, so apologies to those who have already read my ramblings on there, but FWIW this is view on the Taylor debate. I think more to the point that whether Taylor/Harrison/Blissett are good/crap/indifferent, is whatever anyone thinks of those individuals abilities, is that, in the words of Aristotle 'The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts' and for the first time in years we have a good TEAM, and that is what will count at the end of the season. Lets enjoy it
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Apr 4, 2015 12:49:15 GMT
Matty was brilliant yesterday, we have lacked a player like him for too long now, he's quick, leads the line well, technically very good, reminds me of Clarkson but Matty has the pace and stamina that Clarkson lacked. I can't think of many glaring misses from him this season, one on ones or chances where he needs to beat the keeper maybe, but then he's 4th/5th tier striker, he would be playing in the championship if he put every chance away, the fact he get's into goal scoring position is what's impressive. His fitness levels are excellent, is not a sicknote and earning a fraction of what previous strikers at the club were, and they didn't contribute half of what MT has. Unfortunately has been the victim of a large poisonous section that has grown in our fanbase this season, with one particular **** on GasChat intent on getting as much attention as possible from slating a player who without his goals we would be mid-table.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 4, 2015 13:30:12 GMT
Westcountry Gas, Your memory must be playing tricks on you. Whilst I agree he is a good player to say he has not had many glaring misses is ridiculous. He should be on 25 goals this season and that would be taking a 1 in 3 of his chances!! He also has not and will not form a good partnership as a striker with anybody else. His problem is that he runs everywhere but is not aware of the movements of the player who is supposed to be partnering him and it results in him on the majority of occasions being too far away from his partner. IMO Blissett and Easter would be the best partnership or maybe Blissett and Harrison would work if Easter is not available. Harsh to leave Matty out based on his all round performance but not sure you could play him unless you leave Monkhouse out and play a different way.
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Post by brizzle on Apr 4, 2015 13:42:49 GMT
Westcountry Gas, Your memory must be playing tricks on you. Whilst I agree he is a good player to say he has not had many glaring misses is ridiculous. He should be on 25 goals this season and that would be taking a 1 in 3 of his chances!! He also has not and will not form a good partnership as a striker with anybody else. His problem is that he runs everywhere but is not aware of the movements of the player who is supposed to be partnering him and it results in him on the majority of occasions being too far away from his partner. IMO Blissett and Easter would be the best partnership or maybe Blissett and Harrison would work if Easter is not available. Harsh to leave Matty out based on his all round performance but not sure you could play him unless you leave Monkhouse out and play a different way. It would be a brave decision not to select your top scorer for the season thus far, even Conference level.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Apr 4, 2015 14:21:16 GMT
Westcountry Gas, Your memory must be playing tricks on you. Whilst I agree he is a good player to say he has not had many glaring misses is ridiculous. He should be on 25 goals this season and that would be taking a 1 in 3 of his chances!! He also has not and will not form a good partnership as a striker with anybody else. His problem is that he runs everywhere but is not aware of the movements of the player who is supposed to be partnering him and it results in him on the majority of occasions being too far away from his partner. IMO Blissett and Easter would be the best partnership or maybe Blissett and Harrison would work if Easter is not available. Harsh to leave Matty out based on his all round performance but not sure you could play him unless you leave Monkhouse out and play a different way. The way we view glaring misses must be different, i see a glaring miss as an open goal, like i said before if he was a clinical finisher he wouldn't be anywhere near our club, we should enjoy him and not make his time here filled with groans that everytime he gets the ball it should be a goal, something I've not known inflicted on other players past and present. The comment about Movement is hardly MT problem, he is the only forward we have had all season apart from the recent addition of Easter, to actually use his footballing brain to make a run, it's time his partners learnt it aswell. Blissett has a worst first touch than Zebroski, you need someone like Taylor who gives you all round quality, i hope he will lead the line for us over the next few seasons, and that other strikers and players in the squad can also contribute with goals.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 4, 2015 14:48:15 GMT
He offers so much more than his goals though! He covers every blade every week, creates chances and has almost a goal every other game record this season.. could be our 20 goal man? Strikers are about more than goals alone, as a centre half myself I know he does all the things I hate to face!
I do not dispute his hard work and chances he makes, he is certainly a trier, my criticism is the number of glaring misses. In the old days he would have been a good No 10/inside forward.
It's a funny thing about polls or opinions, the same player could be considered the best forward and the worst.
A considered response gaseadmb, the trouble with this forum is that threads often break down into personal abuse or ongoing vendettas between members; as an ex-goalkeeper I would not have minded facing Taylor!
But I think you've made the key observation there - he is an old fashioned number 10 of the sort that still exists in South American football. He's a creative, playmaking centre forward. His primary value to the team isn't in the goals he scores it's in how he makes the team tick. When I've seen us this year I'd say that he is our key player. If he has a good game Rovers have a good game, if he doesn't then Rovers struggle. People talk about the workrate but that makes him sound like a headless chicken and that's not right. It's the intelligent play around the box that impresses me. He has ability to find space in traffic and to bring players into the game which keeps attacks going. He is quite an unusual player. Clearly he is not a good finisher and that's what holds him back but I think he's been key to us this season and a lot of criticism of him is based on judging him as a different type of player. He's going to end the season with a goalscoring ratio of about 1 every 3 games which for a second striker who contributes in other areas is a reasonable return. It's not outstanding but it's OK. But people seem to expect him to be our Number 1 striker which he'll never be. The problem isn't Taylor, the problem is that we haven't been able to find a 20/25 goal scorer to put alongside Taylor. That's the difference between storming the league and not. The guy's not a natural goalscorer, if he was I doubt he'd be playing in the Conference but I think he's extremely good at what he does and we look a much better side with him in it than when's he's not.
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Post by kwoodgas on Apr 4, 2015 16:19:14 GMT
Westcountry Gas, Your memory must be playing tricks on you. Whilst I agree he is a good player to say he has not had many glaring misses is ridiculous. He should be on 25 goals this season and that would be taking a 1 in 3 of his chances!! He also has not and will not form a good partnership as a striker with anybody else. His problem is that he runs everywhere but is not aware of the movements of the player who is supposed to be partnering him and it results in him on the majority of occasions being too far away from his partner. IMO Blissett and Easter would be the best partnership or maybe Blissett and Harrison would work if Easter is not available. Harsh to leave Matty out based on his all round performance but not sure you could play him unless you leave Monkhouse out and play a different way. The way we view glaring misses must be different, i see a glaring miss as an open goal, like i said before if he was a clinical finisher he wouldn't be anywhere near our club, we should enjoy him and not make his time here filled with groans that everytime he gets the ball it should be a goal, something I've not known inflicted on other players past and present. The comment about Movement is hardly MT problem, he is the only forward we have had all season apart from the recent addition of Easter, to actually use his footballing brain to make a run, it's time his partners learnt it aswell. Blissett has a worst first touch than Zebroski, you need someone like Taylor who gives you all round quality, i hope he will lead the line for us over the next few seasons, and that other strikers and players in the squad can also contribute with goals. Since Westcountry doesn't go to away games he won't have seen half of Taylor's performances.
Love how you ramble on about people on gaschat yet you said we should rip Ellis' contract up after his performance against City.
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 5, 2015 1:29:19 GMT
He's obviously not been the clinical goal scorer we would like him to be, although his goal on Saturday was everything you would want from your striker, a clinical strike (perhaps the arrival of Easter has made him up his game !) However he does bring a lot more to the game and we would be poorer without him in the side, I don't believe we have anyone else who could play similar to him.
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 5, 2015 11:47:52 GMT
I do not dispute his hard work and chances he makes, he is certainly a trier, my criticism is the number of glaring misses. In the old days he would have been a good No 10/inside forward.
It's a funny thing about polls or opinions, the same player could be considered the best forward and the worst.
A considered response gaseadmb, the trouble with this forum is that threads often break down into personal abuse or ongoing vendettas between members; as an ex-goalkeeper I would not have minded facing Taylor!
But I think you've made the key observation there - he is an old fashioned number 10 of the sort that still exists in South American football. He's a creative, playmaking centre forward. His primary value to the team isn't in the goals he scores it's in how he makes the team tick. When I've seen us this year I'd say that he is our key player. If he has a good game Rovers have a good game, if he doesn't then Rovers struggle. People talk about the workrate but that makes him sound like a headless chicken and that's not right. It's the intelligent play around the box that impresses me. He has ability to find space in traffic and to bring players into the game which keeps attacks going. He is quite an unusual player. Clearly he is not a good finisher and that's what holds him back but I think he's been key to us this season and a lot of criticism of him is based on judging him as a different type of player. He's going to end the season with a goalscoring ratio of about 1 every 3 games which for a second striker who contributes in other areas is a reasonable return. It's not outstanding but it's OK. But people seem to expect him to be our Number 1 striker which he'll never be. The problem isn't Taylor, the problem is that we haven't been able to find a 20/25 goal scorer to put alongside Taylor. That's the difference between storming the league and not. The guy's not a natural goalscorer, if he was I doubt he'd be playing in the Conference but I think he's extremely good at what he does and we look a much better side with him in it than when's he's not. My thoughts exactly, I'd say that the fact that he keeps getting in scoring positions is a bonus. He's even got no. 10 on his back, not no. 9, you would think that was a clue
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 5, 2015 11:49:32 GMT
Westcountry Gas, Your memory must be playing tricks on you. Whilst I agree he is a good player to say he has not had many glaring misses is ridiculous. He should be on 25 goals this season and that would be taking a 1 in 3 of his chances!! He also has not and will not form a good partnership as a striker with anybody else. His problem is that he runs everywhere but is not aware of the movements of the player who is supposed to be partnering him and it results in him on the majority of occasions being too far away from his partner. IMO Blissett and Easter would be the best partnership or maybe Blissett and Harrison would work if Easter is not available. Harsh to leave Matty out based on his all round performance but not sure you could play him unless you leave Monkhouse out and play a different way. Sorry bud but that's nonsense, working with others is his main strength. How many assists do you think he's got?
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 5, 2015 12:03:56 GMT
Faggotygas, Read what I have written,not what you want to think I have written! I have said a partnership WITH another striker not other players. Tell me who he has formed an attacking partnership with? Yes he brings OTHER players in the game but is rarely close to whoever is in the middle with him. I do like Matty Taylor and he is a good footballer but the problem is that we really need to be finding a partnership. Maybe it means playing Matty in a different position where he is not expected to stay in the middle and work with a fellow striker. The problem is he is not a prolific goalscorer and is not a winger. Playing how he does at the moment is OK if we are cruising a game ie Chester but is not so good in a tight game like Macclesfield away.
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Post by dido on Apr 5, 2015 12:09:56 GMT
Matty Taylor is, imo, even more important in away matches for his ball retention. ALL last season the ball was coming back from our front players far too quickly. MT solves this problem... see under "defending from the front".
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 5, 2015 12:36:34 GMT
Faggotygas, Read what I have written,not what you want to think I have written! I have said a partnership WITH another striker not other players. Tell me who he has formed an attacking partnership with? Yes he brings OTHER players in the game but is rarely close to whoever is in the middle with him. I do like Matty Taylor and he is a good footballer but the problem is that we really need to be finding a partnership. Maybe it means playing Matty in a different position where he is not expected to stay in the middle and work with a fellow striker. The problem is he is not a prolific goalscorer and is not a winger. Playing how he does at the moment is OK if we are cruising a game ie Chester but is not so good in a tight game like Macclesfield away. Would like to think Easter can be that partner. Strong, experienced knows where to be. Could suit Taylor than the inexperienced Raw Blissett and Harrison
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Post by The Concept on Apr 5, 2015 12:46:23 GMT
Goal Cam's view. Which shows Matty Taylor was pulling a face to the camera, rather than gloating in front of the Chester fans:
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Post by faggotygas on Apr 5, 2015 13:32:59 GMT
Faggotygas, Read what I have written,not what you want to think I have written! I have said a partnership WITH another striker not other players. Tell me who he has formed an attacking partnership with? Yes he brings OTHER players in the game but is rarely close to whoever is in the middle with him. I do like Matty Taylor and he is a good footballer but the problem is that we really need to be finding a partnership. Maybe it means playing Matty in a different position where he is not expected to stay in the middle and work with a fellow striker. The problem is he is not a prolific goalscorer and is not a winger. Playing how he does at the moment is OK if we are cruising a game ie Chester but is not so good in a tight game like Macclesfield away. Why does he have to be close to the other forward? Surely one of the advantages of 2 up front is that one of them can come deep to link the play, or work the channels, while to other is still in the middle to be a goal threat? Lose that and you have two blokes stood still miles from their midfield. Might have worked 30 years ago, but you need more mobility now as players are fitter.
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