faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 24, 2015 11:16:48 GMT
Is it? Doesn't seem like it to me - I've had 20+ years of pretty much non stop decline relative to City. I see very little evidence of football being cyclical out there. I have seen Bolton; Villa; Wolves; Burnley in what was Division 4. I have seen Leeds; Charlton; West Brom; Man City Bournemouth: Brentford: in Division 3. I have seen Chelsea; Spurs; West Ham; Man Utd in Division 2. So there are some cycles; of course the Prem has changed some of that now. We just need more cash Are those cycles? Man Utd had a short period in Div 2, but they've never been back there, so that was just a rough patch that would inevitably be corrected and there's no sign of them returning there. Ditto Aston Villa (who were never in Div 4, but spent 2 seasons in Div 3. Ditto Bolton (one season in Div 4). Ditto Spurs. Wolves went down the league due to a one-off financial collapse. Chelsea' s and Man City's finances have been completely changed - there's no reason to suppose that they will ever go back to Div 3. Charlton, West Ham and West Brom or near-permanent yo-yo teams, but that just reflects where they are in the football hierarchy, not a cycle.
The only pattern in most of those clubs is - good period -> bad period -> ongoing good period. That's not a cycle, that's just something that happened. Cycles occur where there is a feedback mechanism, e.g. the investment cycle where:
investment ->boom -> more investment -> over capacity -> cheaper prices -> less profit -> less investment -> bust -> investment becomes cheaper -> investment -> boom etc.
Some clubs are a bit like that, eg Newcastle Utd, Swindon, Southampton and Leeds, but the cycle could be broken if they wanted to. Southampton and West Brom may be good examples of cycles being broken through better risk control.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Mar 24, 2015 12:50:47 GMT
Not content with about ten pages of JPT coverage we see in the paper a shameful full page advert in todays Bristol Post.
Asking fans to buy season tickets for the football and rugby at BS3 offering them FREE shirts if they pay monthly !
Why are they trying to wind up the blue side of the City ? Disgraceful in my opinion Just to clarify because I haven't seen the advert, is the "Two Teams in Bristol" phrase used in the advert?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 24, 2015 13:34:37 GMT
Not content with about ten pages of JPT coverage we see in the paper a shameful full page advert in todays Bristol Post.
Asking fans to buy season tickets for the football and rugby at BS3 offering them FREE shirts if they pay monthly !
Why are they trying to wind up the blue side of the City ? Disgraceful in my opinion Just to clarify because I haven't seen the advert, is the "Two Teams in Bristol" phrase used in the advert? Yeah, I was wondering that (not enough to actually buy a s**tepost, though). It would seem deliberately provocative if they did. If they didn't, then they're just innocently trying to flog tickets, nothing wrong with that.
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irishrover
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Post by irishrover on Mar 24, 2015 16:16:39 GMT
Is it? Doesn't seem like it to me - I've had 20+ years of pretty much non stop decline relative to City. I see very little evidence of football being cyclical out there. I have seen Bolton; Villa; Wolves; Burnley in what was Division 4. I have seen Leeds; Charlton; West Brom; Man City Bournemouth: Brentford: in Division 3. I have seen Chelsea; Spurs; West Ham; Man Utd in Division 2. So there are some cycles; of course the Prem has changed some of that now. We just need more cash Having cash and not having cash has got nothing to do with any kind of cycle. The big clubs bottomed out for a bit then bounced back because clubs of that size are likely to have a certain amount of protection based on their crowds, some smaller clubs attracted silly money. I see no reason to assume there's any kind of natural cycle; more a hierarchical order in a marketplace distorted by rich people paying silly amounts of money. I remember when Nick Higgs was supposed to be our future sugar daddy....Just saying - that was the kind of cash that used to be considered enough now it isn't. Northampton, Rochdale, Bury, Exeter, Lincoln, Chesterfield, Mansfield, Shrewsbury, Orient, Gillingham, Accrington Stanley, Hartlepool, York, Newport, and Colchester United have spent most of their existence as basically crap and remain basically crap yet are currently less crap than us. Fans of Scarborough, Darlington, Halifax, Lincoln, Grimsby, Wrexham, Bradford Park Avenue, Southport, Workington, Gateshead have sure had to wait a damn long time for that cycle to come around; it must have been a kind of prototype penny farthing when they originally thought they'd bottomed out. The point is we can all lists clubs but sadly I think Rovers have more in common with the clubs I've named than the ones you have. I'm certainly not holding out hope that there's a natural fairness to it all and some magical upswing will kick in.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Mar 24, 2015 17:40:56 GMT
Not content with about ten pages of JPT coverage we see in the paper a shameful full page advert in todays Bristol Post.
Asking fans to buy season tickets for the football and rugby at BS3 offering them FREE shirts if they pay monthly !
Why are they trying to wind up the blue side of the City ? Disgraceful in my opinion Just to clarify because I haven't seen the advert, is the "Two Teams in Bristol" phrase used in the advert? Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 18:22:12 GMT
Just to clarify because I haven't seen the advert, is the "Two Teams in Bristol" phrase used in the advert? Anyone? Yes it is.
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Post by BS11Gas on Mar 24, 2015 18:38:07 GMT
On the right hand side of the M32 leaving Bristol, practically opposite Ikea, looking down on the former hallowed turf - someone tell me that wasn't deliberately planned. Of course it's deliberate. I understand one is due to go up near the Mem shortly. The Post will have a field day reporting on that when it inevitably gets vandalised fixed.
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Post by The Concept on Mar 24, 2015 19:06:09 GMT
On the right hand side of the M32 leaving Bristol, practically opposite Ikea, looking down on the former hallowed turf - someone tell me that wasn't deliberately planned. Of course it's deliberate. I understand one is due to go up near the Mem shortly. The Post will have a field day reporting on that when it inevitably gets vandalised. If they do then a tin of blue paint, and "You'll Never Get Rid Of The Gas" will suffice.
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Mar 24, 2015 20:52:55 GMT
On the right hand side of the M32 leaving Bristol, practically opposite Ikea, looking down on the former hallowed turf - someone tell me that wasn't deliberately planned. Of course it's deliberate. I understand one is due to go up near the Mem shortly. The Post will have a field day reporting on that when it inevitably gets vandalised. "Vandalised"? An artistic manifestation of freedom of expression, surely? Mehewmagic - where's Banksy when you need him?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Mar 24, 2015 23:05:03 GMT
Thanks. Then I agree with the original poster - deliberate provocation. Truly a lack of class.
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 24, 2015 23:50:47 GMT
It's a bit like Lansdown's "nobody will speak of rovers" comment, factually incorrect and (despite our crapness) a sign that we are still seen as a rival. Yes it winds me up but the only way to counter this is to get our own act together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 0:06:30 GMT
Can honestly say that using the evening post to wipe your ass with is somehow more satisfying then using izal paper. Wierd eh?
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