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Post by mjhgas on Feb 17, 2015 21:11:12 GMT
Interesting argument - I've put our improvement down to the involvement of Steve Yates!!!
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 17, 2015 22:33:09 GMT
very itchy.
Still what does he vast amounts more experience qualify Stewart for?
Ummm, to be more experienced. If someone who has been there and done it all as a player explains to you what he knows the best way to go about things is, you are likely to listen to him, aren't you? That's what's makes ITV coverage so good, ex premier pro and international player, always such insightful comments during commentary. Such impact forgotten his name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:04:26 GMT
Ummm, to be more experienced. If someone who has been there and done it all as a player explains to you what he knows the best way to go about things is, you are likely to listen to him, aren't you? That's what's makes ITV coverage so good, ex premier pro and international player, always such insightful comments during commentary. Such impact forgotten his name. some of the best managers in the game were not very good footballers especially,its a different skill surely? of course some were very fine players but its not essential is it?
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Post by LPGas on Feb 18, 2015 10:51:18 GMT
I'm beginning to think Bamber would be better off at the Gate where he would have less to moan about, or would he?
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Post by irishrover on Feb 18, 2015 13:22:17 GMT
Interesting argument - I've put our improvement down to the involvement of Steve Yates!!! Beards - it's all been about the beards....
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 18, 2015 22:28:28 GMT
I thought was all about the lucky Mayan Skull
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Post by irishrover on Feb 19, 2015 0:34:55 GMT
so do you cheer the team on? celebrate goals? sing the songs? whats your approach on match days ? are you grim faced waiting for us to be 7th in league 1? No, I don't jump around in faux delirium when a goal is scored. To be honest, I find watching people doing that quite embarrasing and rather ridiculous. Yes, I'm pretty grim faced right now, this board and this manager took us out of the Football League, I bet they can't believe their luck that they have supporters prepared to brush that under the carpet because a 1-0 away win is secured against a Grimsby team who had already lost 5 home games this season. The downwards spiral appears to have been arrested (allbeit at a very low base), that's a start, nothing more. You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 19, 2015 8:32:22 GMT
No, I don't jump around in faux delirium when a goal is scored. To be honest, I find watching people doing that quite embarrasing and rather ridiculous. Yes, I'm pretty grim faced right now, this board and this manager took us out of the Football League, I bet they can't believe their luck that they have supporters prepared to brush that under the carpet because a 1-0 away win is secured against a Grimsby team who had already lost 5 home games this season. The downwards spiral appears to have been arrested (allbeit at a very low base), that's a start, nothing more. You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest. I believe what you are advising is - stop being such a bellend and enjoy yourself a bit more
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Post by irishrover on Feb 19, 2015 16:12:24 GMT
You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest. I believe what you are advising is - stop being such a bellend and enjoy yourself a bit more
Well not completely but I do struggle to understand. It's more along the lines that football has always been primarily the game of the masses; a game primarily of the heart and of the gut and that's where it's attraction for the vast majority of people comes from. The priority being fun and a little bit of glory above all else. Jumpers for goalposts etc, pub football, something everyone does and can appreciate, a universal language etc. The true soul of football is not playing in massive stadiums in front of huge global TV audiences; it's up on the Downs. Football is not a form of elitist phycial entertainment designed for aesthetic judgement. If you're looking for that then go to the Ballet -football can never satisfy on that level it's too open to unknown influences. Even the most successful pure footballing sides have bad days at the office or days when teams can spoil their tactics. It's seeing football through this black and white prism of x = good and y = bad that I don't understand. Surely it's about the emotional investment otherwise I don't see what the point is. Still - takes all sorts to make a world and if that's how some people enjoy it then that's entirely fair enough by me. Doesn't sound like very much fun really but OK. What I object to is if that perspective is put on a pedestal above that of others in a way that tries to pass off subjective opinion as objective judgement (which is what makes Brian Sewell an entertaining read but horrible snob and a terrible critic). It cannot be justified as a superior way of seeing the game; if someone can't feel the joy of seeing their team win or score in a tight 1-0 game away win at Grimsby because they're too upset about the wider context or the aesthetic quality of what was on offer than I kind of feel sorry for them because I don't understand what they are really getting out of being a football fan. Some of the best moments I've had following Rovers have been during games most neutrals were say were terrible but I honestly couldn't give a toss; it's none of their business and they can sod off because it mattered to me and you shouldn't have to justify anything beyond that.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 20, 2015 8:44:55 GMT
I believe what you are advising is - stop being such a bellend and enjoy yourself a bit more
Well not completely but I do struggle to understand. It's more along the lines that football has always been primarily the game of the masses; a game primarily of the heart and of the gut and that's where it's attraction for the vast majority of people comes from. The priority being fun and a little bit of glory above all else. Jumpers for goalposts etc, pub football, something everyone does and can appreciate, a universal language etc. The true soul of football is not playing in massive stadiums in front of huge global TV audiences; it's up on the Downs. Football is not a form of elitist phycial entertainment designed for aesthetic judgement. If you're looking for that then go to the Ballet -football can never satisfy on that level it's too open to unknown influences. Even the most successful pure footballing sides have bad days at the office or days when teams can spoil their tactics. It's seeing football through this black and white prism of x = good and y = bad that I don't understand. Surely it's about the emotional investment otherwise I don't see what the point is. Still - takes all sorts to make a world and if that's how some people enjoy it then that's entirely fair enough by me. Doesn't sound like very much fun really but OK. What I object to is if that perspective is put on a pedestal above that of others in a way that tries to pass off subjective opinion as objective judgement (which is what makes Brian Sewell an entertaining read but horrible snob and a terrible critic). It cannot be justified as a superior way of seeing the game; if someone can't feel the joy of seeing their team win or score in a tight 1-0 game away win at Grimsby because they're too upset about the wider context or the aesthetic quality of what was on offer than I kind of feel sorry for them because I don't understand what they are really getting out of being a football fan. Some of the best moments I've had following Rovers have been during games most neutrals were say were terrible but I honestly couldn't give a toss; it's none of their business and they can sod off because it mattered to me and you shouldn't have to justify anything beyond that. On top of that - there's realism. Based on crowd size and fan base, Rovers should not be in the Conference. We know that. But we are in the Conference, and that means we can only attract, and can only afford, the same kind of players that other top end Conference teams can attract and afford.
To win every game that we should theoretically win, with a squad that has not worked together for very long, we would need players that are not just a bit better than most other players in the Conference, but vastly better - at least League 1 standard. We are not going to get those, because they are playing in League 1.
Why does enjoyment have to be all or nothing, anyway? There are different levels of enjoyment. I've enjoyed quite a few games this season, but probably for different reasons than I've previously higher league games. I've enjoyed the shear physicality of it, and the clear desire in the players to work hard to better themselves. They seems to care, which makes me care about them, and for me football has always been about the story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 9:06:32 GMT
I'm beginning to think Bamber would be better off at the Gate where he would have less to moan about, or would he? Doesn't take long for the happy clappers to play the 'you aren't a proper supporter' or 'if you don't like it, bog off to Ashton' card, does it. Anyone who thinks that the problems that have taken us out of the League have been addressed is kidding themselves. Nothing has changed, the Luck & Chemistry express has the boilers stoked and is flying along nicely. But it won't be long before there are some leaves on the track and it all goes belly up. Then the battle cry of 'we have to get behind the lads more than ever' will be dusted off, again.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 20, 2015 9:15:09 GMT
I'm beginning to think Bamber would be better off at the Gate where he would have less to moan about, or would he? Doesn't take long for the happy clappers to play the 'you aren't a proper supporter' or 'if you don't like it, bog off to Ashton' card, does it. Anyone who thinks that the problems that have taken us out of the League have been addressed is kidding themselves. Nothing has changed, the Luck & Chemistry express has the boilers stoked and is flying along nicely. But it won't be long before there are some leaves on the track and it all goes belly up. Then the battle cry of 'we have to get behind the lads more than ever' will be dusted off, again. But how many people have been saying that?
Different to thinking the problems at the club have been solved to celebrating an away win, which puts in a good position to go straight back-up
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 9:24:13 GMT
No, I don't jump around in faux delirium when a goal is scored. To be honest, I find watching people doing that quite embarrasing and rather ridiculous. Yes, I'm pretty grim faced right now, this board and this manager took us out of the Football League, I bet they can't believe their luck that they have supporters prepared to brush that under the carpet because a 1-0 away win is secured against a Grimsby team who had already lost 5 home games this season. The downwards spiral appears to have been arrested (allbeit at a very low base), that's a start, nothing more. You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest. And once again you are wrong. You are picking up on a previous discussion where you were saying that watching an animal like Shawcross fouling and injuring opponants is wonderful and what makes it a mans' game. A goal which squirms half an inch over the line on a muddy Port Vale pitch off of Ali Gibbs' ample derrière counts as 1 goal, just like Bergkamp Vs Argentina or Gascoigne Vs Scotland, I enjoyed them all, but didn't dance around the living room or kiss her indoors whilst in a state of mock delerium when any of them were scored.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 10:31:30 GMT
I'm beginning to think Bamber would be better off at the Gate where he would have less to moan about, or would he? Doechanged ke long for the happy clappers to play the 'you aren't a proper supporter' or 'if you don't like it, bog off to Ashton' card, does it. Anyone who thinks that the problems that have taken us out of the League have been addressed is kidding themselves. Nothing has changed, the Luck & Chemistry express has the boilers stoked and is flying along nicely. But it won't be long before there are some leaves on the track and it all goes belly up. Then the battle cry of 'we have to get behind the lads more than ever' will be dusted off, again. Whilst Irish's satire is extremely funny, I have to agree with Bamber. The disorganisation and lack of leadership is still there. What evidence is there that any thing has been learned, that behaviour has changed? Why should we be optimistic about the future?
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Post by irishrover on Feb 20, 2015 12:53:20 GMT
Doechanged ke long for the happy clappers to play the 'you aren't a proper supporter' or 'if you don't like it, bog off to Ashton' card, does it. Anyone who thinks that the problems that have taken us out of the League have been addressed is kidding themselves. Nothing has changed, the Luck & Chemistry express has the boilers stoked and is flying along nicely. But it won't be long before there are some leaves on the track and it all goes belly up. Then the battle cry of 'we have to get behind the lads more than ever' will be dusted off, again. Whilst Irish's satire is extremely funny, I have to agree with Bamber. The disorganisation and lack of leadership is still there. What evidence is there that any thing has been learned, that behaviour has changed? Why should we be optimistic about the future? But that's a false choice surely? It's not a case of either you believe the club is badly run etc or you surrender yourself to the moment in blind faith. There's nothing inconsistent or wrong with thinking that the club is in a terrible state and yet still enjoying the good moments when they come. Otherwise I fail to see what the point is really. I agree with Bamber, it is a disgrace we are in the Conference; I thought it was a disgrace we were in League 2. I am not at all convinced that we have turned any sort of corner from a broader perspective. But I fail to see why that should get in the way of me enjoying the things that make being a football fan worthwhile. Otherwise all you're doing is submitting yourself to a kind of self flagellation; ie I'm going to walk up and down Filton Avenue hitting myself on the back with a cat o' nine tails till the club gets better. I can completely see why people get pissed off and disillusioned with the club and how that might depreciate their wider enjoyment, stop them attending/caring as much etc - that is sad but ultimately it is their issue. But holding it against others for still enjoying the experience of being a Rovers fan just seems quite mean spirited to me. It is ultimately about fun after all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 12:57:10 GMT
I'm beginning to think Bamber would be better off at the Gate where he would have less to moan about, or would he? Doesn't take long for the happy clappers to play the 'you aren't a proper supporter' or 'if you don't like it, bog off to Ashton' card, does it. Anyone who thinks that the problems that have taken us out of the League have been addressed is kidding themselves. Nothing has changed, the Luck & Chemistry express has the boilers stoked and is flying along nicely. But it won't be long before there are some leaves on the track and it all goes belly up. Then the battle cry of 'we have to get behind the lads more than ever' will be dusted off, again. your clearly a proper supporter so its unfair to suggest otherwise i agree but "we have to get behind the lads more than ever" dont you think?
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 20, 2015 13:18:49 GMT
Whilst Irish's satire is extremely funny, I have to agree with Bamber. The disorganisation and lack of leadership is still there. What evidence is there that any thing has been learned, that behaviour has changed? Why should we be optimistic about the future? But that's a false choice surely? It's not a case of either you believe the club is badly run etc or you surrender yourself to the moment in blind faith. There's nothing inconsistent or wrong with thinking that the club is in a terrible state and yet still enjoying the good moments when they come. Otherwise I fail to see what the point is really. I agree with Bamber, it is a disgrace we are in the Conference; I thought it was a disgrace we were in League 2. I am not at all convinced that we have turned any sort of corner from a broader perspective. But I fail to see why that should get in the way of me enjoying the things that make being a football fan worthwhile. Otherwise all you're doing is submitting yourself to a kind of self flagellation; ie I'm going to walk up and down Filton Avenue hitting myself on the back with a cat o' nine tails till the club gets better. I can completely see why people get pissed off and disillusioned with the club and how that might depreciate their wider enjoyment, stop them attending/caring as much etc - that is sad but ultimately it is their issue. But holding it against others for still enjoying the experience of being a Rovers fan just seems quite mean spirited to me. It is ultimately about fun after all. its like being unable to enjoy a good meal because there are starving kids in Africa.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 20, 2015 13:20:04 GMT
You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest. And once again you are wrong. You are picking up on a previous discussion where you were saying that watching an animal like Shawcross fouling and injuring opponants is wonderful and what makes it a mans' game. A goal which squirms half an inch over the line on a muddy Port Vale pitch off of Ali Gibbs' ample derrière counts as 1 goal, just like Bergkamp Vs Argentina or Gascoigne Vs Scotland, I enjoyed them all, but didn't dance around the living room or kiss her indoors whilst in a state of mock delerium when any of them were scored. I don't think I've ever come across a football fan who appears to enjoy football less than you appear to do. What on earth do you enjoy about football?
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Post by irishrover on Feb 20, 2015 13:41:56 GMT
You know you give the impression of someone who watches lower league football in the same way that Brian Sewell observes the art world. 'Look at all the uneducated oafs fawning over a rudimentary near post header and a scrappy 1-0 win at some god forsaken uncivilised Northern outpost - they've clearly not been granted the mental aptitudes to appreciate that there's something more, something immeasurably greater than this aesthetic scrapheap they call the Conference. How can anyone who has witnessed the majesty of Cryuff, the exuberance of Maradona and the sheer transcendent glory of the 1982 World Cup Semi-Final between Brazil and Italy in any way be stirred by the limited plebian appeal of Matt Taylor? It is a scene reminiscent of Shakespeare's globe; there they dwell the drunken ignorant masses standing in their pit whipped up to a blind partisan fervor while laughing themselves sick at the cheap humour of the fools and reacting like they are at a mere pantomime while only we privileged elite few sitting in the stalls can truly appreciate the subtle genius of the bard's biting satire of manners and perfect use of iambic pentameter. A winning goal off Nathan Blisset's knob may briefly satisfy the hearts and base desires of the lumpen masses but it could never truly stir the soul of those of us who have witnessed, and have the wit to appreciate, true greatness'. Meant purely in the spirit of jest. And once again you are wrong. You are picking up on a previous discussion where you were saying that watching an animal like Shawcross fouling and injuring opponants is wonderful and what makes it a mans' game. A goal which squirms half an inch over the line on a muddy Port Vale pitch off of Ali Gibbs' ample derrière counts as 1 goal, just like Bergkamp Vs Argentina or Gascoigne Vs Scotland, I enjoyed them all, but didn't dance around the living room or kiss her indoors whilst in a state of mock delerium when any of them were scored. Really? To be honest I think that's a tiny bit sad. I think it's missing out on something that being a football fan gives you that nothing else can. I remember exactly where I was when Gazza scored against Scotland; I jumped around the living room and sat there with the mate I was watching it with in a daze for about 10 minutes not quite believing what we'd seen. I can remember I was drinking Tab because I was a cool kid! When Bergkamp scored against Argentina I was watching it in my Great Aunt's bedroom while there was a family dinner in her kitchen and my grandparents came in and told me to sit down because I was jumping around so much I was causing the trifle to wobble alarmingly. That's not 'mock delirium' that's genuine joyful reaction otherwise there's just no way I'd be able to remember that much detail so many years later. If you want something a bit more adult, when Andy Williams scored the winner against Southampton I walked back to the car with the mate I drove with and we literally couldn't talk for about 20 minutes afterwards. I didn't feel safe to start the car - honestly. When Machorionne scored the winner to take Borough to the UEFA Cup final I broke a chair by jumping out of it so quickly and then hit my head on the ceiling. I remember every detail of the trip back to the train station from Fleetwood 2 years ago after our completely unexpected away win there in a state of euphoria. There's nothing false about those reactions - I'm sure many would argue they were misplaced (though I wouldn't recognise them as having any right whatsoever to do that - we care about what we care about) but they were entirely genuine. It happened in the last game I went to - when we equalised from the penalty spot against Torquay. Dreadful game, dreadful performance and we didn't deserve a point really; and of course it's a disgrace that Torquay at home in the Conference on Boxing in any way equals a big game etc etc. But I bloody well enjoyed the moment when that penalty went in and I left feeling emotionally drained that we couldn't grab a winner. It goes the other way too of course. But to me (and I honestly think most people) that's what being a football fan primarily means - an emotional investment. I put my emotions through the ringer when I watch a game and react accordingly. Now that might be silly (nothing wrong with that), lacking in perspective etc but it's definitely not false; the delirium is real. If football doesn't really give you that or gives you a diluted version of it (that kind of self-transcendence, that collective spirit, that emotional rollercoaster etc) then I'm kind of intrigued as to what it is you get out of being a football fan. It's partly a follow up to a previous argument (not sure what's wrong with that) but more an observation of other comments you've made. You can appreciate the game on whatever level you like and I hope you get a lot out of it - that doesn't matter a jot. You are also absolutely right and entitled to be as critical at the current state of Rovers as you like on which I pretty much agree with you - and if that devalues the experience of being a Rovers fan than that's a shame on the people who are responsible for the club falling this low. Where it winds me up is if you think you have the right to devalue other people's emotional investment in it. It's about fun!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 13:43:27 GMT
Whilst Irish's satire is extremely funny, I have to agree with Bamber. The disorganisation and lack of leadership is still there. What evidence is there that any thing has been learned, that behaviour has changed? Why should we be optimistic about the future? But that's a false choice surely? It's not a case of either you believe the club is badly run etc or you surrender yourself to the moment in blind faith. There's nothing inconsistent or wrong with thinking that the club is in a terrible state and yet still enjoying the good moments when they come. Otherwise I fail to see what the point is really. I agree with Bamber, it is a disgrace we are in the Conference; I thought it was a disgrace we were in League 2. I am not at all convinced that we have turned any sort of corner from a broader perspective. But I fail to see why that should get in the way of me enjoying the things that make being a football fan worthwhile. Otherwise all you're doing is submitting yourself to a kind of self flagellation; ie I'm going to walk up and down Filton Avenue hitting myself on the back with a cat o' nine tails till the club gets better. I can completely see why people get pissed off and disillusioned with the club and how that might depreciate their wider enjoyment, stop them attending/caring as much etc - that is sad but ultimately it is their issue. But holding it against others for still enjoying the experience of being a Rovers fan just seems quite mean spirited to me. It is ultimately about fun after all. I am not convinced that Bamber is making that choice. More that being very satisfied that we 2nd in the conference is nohing to be satisfied about. On a match to match basis I am sure we forget all that and enjoy the moment (or not) But post game, win or lose, surely the perspective should be one of reality?
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