LJG
Peter Beadle
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Post by LJG on Jan 12, 2015 11:28:34 GMT
To make a couple mistakes as a 17-year old is one thing but we have clearly seen that for the better part of a season this guy had no willpower to at least stand out as a BRFC player. I still call this good riddance. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to let him go. I still maintain that saying "F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside" about a 17 year old kid is classless in the extreme. He didn't make it with us, move on. No need for the bitterness in your post. Precisely my argument about all these former player threads. Oh but for what it's worth I think his comment about McGee's Rovers being a dead Scottish club were bang on.
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
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Post by brizzle on Jan 12, 2015 12:22:24 GMT
But for those of us who don't have the ear of an insider, all that we can rely on is the media, and according to all the reports that I have ever read or heard on the player they all seem to agree. That is, that he is/was a talented player, but that he lacked application and dedication. Now it would be very easy to discount all of these reports, but there must be a grain of truth in there somewhere, surely? For example was he watched by several scouts from Premier League teams? The national and local press told us that he was, and local radio also agreed. In fact it was reported that Liverpool had made an offer of a million (or so) pounds for him. Are all of these reports inaccurate? They may well be, but is it likely that there is not a grain of truth in any of the reports? Now Shaquille was clearly put out during MM's time as manager, when he tweeted to the effect that this was a Scottish club. The manager was so annoyed that the player was disciplined, now is this fact or fiction and if it is fact then doesn't this display an attitude that was not entirely team-based? Skip forward to JW's time as manager, to just under 12 months ago, when the Bristol Post printed the following article . . . Now I would agree with anyone who says that the Bristol Post is not the best of newspapers, but I cannot see them printing such an article (together with some direct quotes), if there was nothing in the story at all. It's my opinion that Shaquille wasn't managed with us very well during his time here, but that he also didn't help himself too much either. For the players sake I hope that he has matured sufficiently to take this opportunity, it's just a shame that he has been offered it by the other mob. I always rated Nicky Tanner by the way, and Larry Lloyd too if it comes to that. I think we can quite safely assume that if Liverpool had offered a Million or so, he would have been long gone and not ended up at Mangotsfield ! I agree michael, but I don't recall that there ever was a firm offer for him from any club, just lots of speculation. There's no smoke without fire though, but no-one ever followed through it seems.
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brizzle
Lindsay Parsons
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Post by brizzle on Jan 12, 2015 13:06:44 GMT
I doubt he will last 10 minutes at the s*** unless his attitude has changed, Cotterill, whatever we think of him, is a knowledgable guy football wise and will soon identify any weaknesses. I bet they are aware of his previous too! I hate to say it of the manager of the other mob, but I do have a sneaking regard for the man. A little bit yokelish it's true, and prone to making sweeping statements (and sometimes silly ones too), but he does seem to know what he's about. I seem to remember that there was a fair amount of speculation about him coming here at one point, this would have been in a period when we were once again looking for a manager, and he was embarrassingly available for hire. Like ships in the night, eh?
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c13
Rickie Lambert
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Post by c13 on Jan 12, 2015 14:24:10 GMT
To make a couple mistakes as a 17-year old is one thing but we have clearly seen that for the better part of a season this guy had no willpower to at least stand out as a BRFC player. I still call this good riddance. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to let him go. I still maintain that saying "F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside" about a 17 year old kid is classless in the extreme. He didn't make it with us, move on. No need for the bitterness in your post. Fair enough, maybe I crossed the line. It's too many cases of player attitude in this club over the last years for my head to handle
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 12, 2015 14:46:02 GMT
I followed that group through the youth team very closely as my son was involved. Hunter and Harrison were poles apart in terms of attitude. Hunter let himself, his team mates and the club down repeatedly - an absolute big head. Ellis was NEVER like that and had one bad season as a result of a false allegation of rape. I think that's a lot more interesting than anything on here about Hunter. Do you still think that Ellis can become the player he promised to be during his breakthrough season?
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LJG
Peter Beadle
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Post by LJG on Jan 12, 2015 15:51:30 GMT
I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to let him go. I still maintain that saying "F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside" about a 17 year old kid is classless in the extreme. He didn't make it with us, move on. No need for the bitterness in your post. Fair enough, maybe I crossed the line. It's too many cases of player attitude in this club over the last years for my head to handleAllegedly. Time was Elliott Richards was being painted as the next Harrold Shipman because there was a photo of him on twitter holding a prawn cracker. Not even showing him eating the f**king thing. And then it starts: "bad attitude this ... thinks he's too big for the club that ... doesn't love Rovers the other". When the brutal truth is even those pretending to know haven't got a clue because I think the club are, if only a tiny bit, a bit more professional than to make this stuff public. These forums are basically no different to gossiping old dears and people want to believe their own imaginations. There's a build em up to knock em down culture amongst this fanbase in the last fifteen years. Your posts are exemplary of it and it's f**king classless and f**king sh*t.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jan 12, 2015 16:35:55 GMT
I followed that group through the youth team very closely as my son was involved. Hunter and Harrison were poles apart in terms of attitude. Hunter let himself, his team mates and the club down repeatedly - an absolute big head. Ellis was NEVER like that and had one bad season as a result of a false allegation of rape. I think that's a lot more interesting than anything on here about Hunter. Do you still think that Ellis can become the player he promised to be during his breakthrough season? Yes, I absolutely do. His problem I think is that he is having to rebuild trust which he lost last year. I am told he is a completely different person this year so I am disappointed he hasn't had a few more chances.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 12, 2015 16:45:10 GMT
I think that's a lot more interesting than anything on here about Hunter. Do you still think that Ellis can become the player he promised to be during his breakthrough season? Yes, I absolutely do. His problem I think is that he is having to rebuild trust which he lost last year. I am told he is a completely different person this year so I am disappointed he hasn't had a few more chances. that's really good news. If we can get that player out of him, I think we'll have a great player. I was surprised to see him grab the ball to take the penalty recently - I took from it that he's still determined to make his mark
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c13
Rickie Lambert
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Post by c13 on Jan 12, 2015 22:52:10 GMT
Fair enough, maybe I crossed the line. It's too many cases of player attitude in this club over the last years for my head to handleAllegedly. Time was Elliott Richards was being painted as the next Harrold Shipman because there was a photo of him on twitter holding a prawn cracker. Not even showing him eating the f**king thing. And then it starts: "bad attitude this ... thinks he's too big for the club that ... doesn't love Rovers the other". When the brutal truth is even those pretending to know haven't got a clue because I think the club are, if only a tiny bit, a bit more professional than to make this stuff public. These forums are basically no different to gossiping old dears and people want to believe their own imaginations. There's a build em up to knock em down culture amongst this fanbase in the last fifteen years. Your posts are exemplary of it and it's f**king classless and f**king sh*t. I also thought that the Richards gossip was baloney at the time but the Hunter story is not alleged, maybe we dissgree on the intensity of it but the fact that stuff out of line happened is unquestionable (even if he was right about us being dead and, well, Scottish at the time)
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LJG
Peter Beadle
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Post by LJG on Jan 12, 2015 23:04:45 GMT
Allegedly. Time was Elliott Richards was being painted as the next Harrold Shipman because there was a photo of him on twitter holding a prawn cracker. Not even showing him eating the f**king thing. And then it starts: "bad attitude this ... thinks he's too big for the club that ... doesn't love Rovers the other". When the brutal truth is even those pretending to know haven't got a clue because I think the club are, if only a tiny bit, a bit more professional than to make this stuff public. These forums are basically no different to gossiping old dears and people want to believe their own imaginations. There's a build em up to knock em down culture amongst this fanbase in the last fifteen years. Your posts are exemplary of it and it's f**king classless and f**king sh*t. I also thought that the Richards gossip was baloney at the time but the Hunter story is not alleged, maybe we dissgree on the intensity of it but the fact that stuff out of line happened is unquestionable (even if he was right about us being dead and, well, Scottish at the time) Exactly. He was right so who could blame him.
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Captain Jayho
Andy Tillson
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jan 13, 2015 0:30:52 GMT
We all make mistakes at 17 and more often than not we get given a few kicks up the backside and get back on track. But there's only so long that you put up with it without seeing any improvement in attitude.
By all accounts Hunter was a big time Charlie who didn't give a toss about Rovers and consistently turned up late and disrupted training. If he's not committed to changing his ways and being a part of the culture the club are trying to create then we were bang on in getting rid of him.
If he's changed now then good for him. But while he was here he took the piss out of the club that we all love and support.
So I'm inclined to agree. f**k him.
Don't see how that is classless. The lack of class comes from the disrespect shown to the club by him in the first place.
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LJG
Peter Beadle
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Post by LJG on Jan 13, 2015 8:55:00 GMT
We all make mistakes at 17 and more often than not we get given a few kicks up the backside and get back on track. But there's only so long that you put up with it without seeing any improvement in attitude. By all accounts Hunter was a big time Charlie who didn't give a toss about Rovers and consistently turned up late and disrupted training. If he's not committed to changing his ways and being a part of the culture the club are trying to create then we were bang on in getting rid of him. If he's changed now then good for him. But while he was here he took the piss out of the club that we all love and support. So I'm inclined to agree. f him. Don't see how that is classless. The lack of class comes from the disrespect shown to the club by him in the first place. Which I think is precisely my point.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 13, 2015 10:09:45 GMT
We all make mistakes at 17 and more often than not we get given a few kicks up the backside and get back on track. But there's only so long that you put up with it without seeing any improvement in attitude. By all accounts Hunter was a big time Charlie who didn't give a toss about Rovers and consistently turned up late and disrupted training. If he's not committed to changing his ways and being a part of the culture the club are trying to create then we were bang on in getting rid of him. If he's changed now then good for him. But while he was here he took the piss out of the club that we all love and support. So I'm inclined to agree. f him. Don't see how that is classless. The lack of class comes from the disrespect shown to the club by him in the first place. Which I think is precisely my point. Your point was that you were calling a fellow supporter classless and s**t for his post about a player whose behaviour was classless and s**t and your point is pompous and s**t. We are football fans we are discussing a club that is close to our hearts, we are passionate about our club and we are entitled to get angry when we see anyone taking the piss out of our club in the way that it was reported in the BEP that Hunter did. Hunter may be an arrogant teenager who thinks the world owes him a living and if he is he isn't the only teenager that thinks that way, but one thing is for sure and that is if he is going to achieve anything with his life he needs to change and realise that respect is a two way street. If he is on the receiving end of a bad reaction whether that results in him losing his job or incurring the wrath of the people who used to support him he might start to realise the big part he has played in his own downfall rather than blame other people and if so he has half a chance of realising his life's potential.
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dagnogo
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 13, 2015 10:41:25 GMT
Loving the posts criticising gossip, conjecture and so on. I saw one the other day criticisong someone for having a low opinion of a possible signing because the poster wasn't a football manager so we should let DC do everything without comment.
What is a forum if not gossip,opinions, and conjecture? Should we all sign out forever unless we know players personally or have a UEFA coaching badge?
FWIW Hunter's attitude issues at BRFC were well documented and we don't really miss him.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jan 13, 2015 11:12:32 GMT
We all make mistakes at 17 and more often than not we get given a few kicks up the backside and get back on track. But there's only so long that you put up with it without seeing any improvement in attitude. By all accounts Hunter was a big time Charlie who didn't give a toss about Rovers and consistently turned up late and disrupted training. If he's not committed to changing his ways and being a part of the culture the club are trying to create then we were bang on in getting rid of him. If he's changed now then good for him. But while he was here he took the piss out of the club that we all love and support. So I'm inclined to agree. f him. Don't see how that is classless. The lack of class comes from the disrespect shown to the club by him in the first place. That's as good a summary as I could have written. He didn't deserve to be here when he was shown the door and I know many in the squad were surprised it didn't happen earlier. However, people change. If he has ditched the ego, found some humility and is prepared to work hard then good luck to him. Everyone deserves a second chance.
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LJG
Peter Beadle
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Post by LJG on Jan 13, 2015 12:03:34 GMT
Which I think is precisely my point. Your point was that you were calling a fellow supporter classless and s*** for his post about a player whose behaviour was classless and s*** and your point is pompous and s***. We are football fans we are discussing a club that is close to our hearts, we are passionate about our club and we are entitled to get angry when we see anyone taking the piss out of our club in the way that it was reported in the BEP that Hunter did. Hunter may be an arrogant teenager who thinks the world owes him a living and if he is he isn't the only teenager that thinks that way, but one thing is for sure and that is if he is going to achieve anything with his life he needs to change and realise that respect is a two way street. If he is on the receiving end of a bad reaction whether that results in him losing his job or incurring the wrath of the people who used to support him he might start to realise the big part he has played in his own downfall rather than blame other people and if so he has half a chance of realising his life's potential. I referred to the post and the attitude not a fellow supporter. And Hunter was right - we were a dead Scottish club.
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c13
Rickie Lambert
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Post by c13 on Jan 13, 2015 14:29:46 GMT
People really there's no need to pick fights amongst ourselves over this
My post earlier was spur-of-the-moment classless as I've admitted and Lord Justice Gashead pointed it out, after all we can criticize players and posters without necessarily offend them.
Moving on to Hunter, yes his actions were well documented at the time even though I can't for the life of me find the printscreen of that tweet.
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dagnogo
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 13, 2015 15:21:56 GMT
Not sure it was classless - given the amounts of money that players were reportedly* paid when we were in the League and the ability they supposedly had, was it that much to expect certain standards of behaviour?
Sure, he was and still is a kid, kids screw up - but as the BEP said this was multiple times.
Not sure why folk are getting so precious - if players read forums then they're crazy IMHO - forums are there for opinions NOT facts.
*before anyone jumps on my use of the word "reportedly", it's well known that we had a big wage bill. Plus, if you're demanding that we all know a player's EXACT pay before commenting we may as well shut the forum down now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 15:24:19 GMT
Makes me laugh that we have pages of chewing the fat over a player that has left the club some time ago
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2015 21:14:42 GMT
I guess it's the fact who he's now signed for rather than why he left. If he signed for Newport etc I doubt many fans would bat an eyelid. It'll be annoying if he now makes it with the 82er's when he could have made it with us with a bit of application.
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