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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 10:23:27 GMT
What I will say is the s**t currently have a policy under Tinnion of hoovering up youngsters. This move sits well with this policy.
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Post by clockendgas on Jan 11, 2015 11:08:57 GMT
What I will say is the s*** currently have a policy under Tinnion of hoovering up youngsters. This move sits well with this policy. think you will find thats called grooming in other parts of the country, hows about that then
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Post by Rex on Jan 11, 2015 11:12:30 GMT
People start chucking around words like 'attitude' when they don't even know a player, it's invariably gossip and conjecture. Some players show early promise never to be fulfilled, some blossom later. I would imagine those of us who saw Simon Bryant at 18 and Nicky Tanner at a similar age would have lost a bet on which one would end up playing top flight football. No, it's fact not gossip as far as I'm concerned,. Why do you think he left mid season/contract rather than just released at the end of last season like Harding etc?? I was talking more broadly, rather than specifically about Shaquille, about when accusations of 'attitude' are thrown about, just out of interest then, how do you know it is a fact?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2015 11:35:59 GMT
No, it's fact not gossip as far as I'm concerned,. Why do you think he left mid season/contract rather than just released at the end of last season like Harding etc?? I was talking more broadly, rather than specifically about Shaquille, about when accusations of 'attitude' are thrown about, just out of interest then, how do you know it is a fact?
Didn't he tweet something about not getting a chance because he wasn't Scottish? In McGhee days..
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2015 12:36:23 GMT
No, it's fact not gossip as far as I'm concerned,. Why do you think he left mid season/contract rather than just released at the end of last season like Harding etc?? I was talking more broadly, rather than specifically about Shaquille, about when accusations of 'attitude' are thrown about, just out of interest then, how do you know it is a fact?
I'm hardly going to quote my source on the forum, as I said the fact he left mid season suggests it wasn't a case that he just wasn't good enough?
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Post by Rex on Jan 11, 2015 13:13:57 GMT
I was talking more broadly, rather than specifically about Shaquille, about when accusations of 'attitude' are thrown about, just out of interest then, how do you know it is a fact?
I'm hardly going to quote my source on the forum, as I said the fact he left mid season suggests it wasn't a case that he just wasn't good enough? So somebody told you it then, which sounds like conjecture or gossip I was talking about . You may well believe the person who told you, but it doesn't make it a fact. I have never met Shaquille Hunter, I'm not even sure if I have ever seen him play, so I have no idea whether he is good enough or not. What I do know is, that many players who at one point in their career seemed destined for stardom fall by the wayside, and others who weren't initially thought to be as talented make it big. That can be down to a whole combination of different reasons, including luck and indeed attitude. What I object to , is when certain players are accused of having an attitude on the grounds of hearsay
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Post by brizzle on Jan 11, 2015 15:31:52 GMT
But for those of us who don't have the ear of an insider, all that we can rely on is the media, and according to all the reports that I have ever read or heard on the player they all seem to agree. That is, that he is/was a talented player, but that he lacked application and dedication. Now it would be very easy to discount all of these reports, but there must be a grain of truth in there somewhere, surely?
For example was he watched by several scouts from Premier League teams? The national and local press told us that he was, and local radio also agreed. In fact it was reported that Liverpool had made an offer of a million (or so) pounds for him. Are all of these reports inaccurate? They may well be, but is it likely that there is not a grain of truth in any of the reports?
Now Shaquille was clearly put out during MM's time as manager, when he tweeted to the effect that this was a Scottish club. The manager was so annoyed that the player was disciplined, now is this fact or fiction and if it is fact then doesn't this display an attitude that was not entirely team-based?
Skip forward to JW's time as manager, to just under 12 months ago, when the Bristol Post printed the following article . . .
Now I would agree with anyone who says that the Bristol Post is not the best of newspapers, but I cannot see them printing such an article (together with some direct quotes), if there was nothing in the story at all. It's my opinion that Shaquille wasn't managed with us very well during his time here, but that he also didn't help himself too much either. For the players sake I hope that he has matured sufficiently to take this opportunity, it's just a shame that he has been offered it by the other mob.
I always rated Nicky Tanner by the way, and Larry Lloyd too if it comes to that.
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Post by Rex on Jan 11, 2015 15:54:35 GMT
I wasn't aware of the above reported story, it looks like Shaquille had a bit of a poor attitude to his job !
But again, as I posted before, I was trying to make a general point about players being accused of having a bad attitude, rather than specifically Shaquille.
I always rated Tanner too, used to watch him on a regular basis at Cossham Street in Ralphy Millers day along with a few other future Rovers stars.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jan 11, 2015 16:30:18 GMT
Was he any different to Harrison interms of personality/ attitude? Don't think so, maybe DC and MC would have got more from him than McGee and ward. We will never know but he apparently had the same talent/ability as Scott Sinclair and at one point Man U and arsenal had scouts down to watch him! O well I followed that group through the youth team very closely as my son was involved. Hunter and Harrison were poles apart in terms of attitude. Hunter let himself, his team mates and the club down repeatedly - an absolute big head. Ellis was NEVER like that and had one bad season as a result of a false allegation of rape. Look what happened to Ched Evans - that would knock ANYONE off their stride. The talk of the big clubs bring interested was bulls*** - agent talk to get him a contract. I stood next to an Everton scout at one game who told me they had been asked to take a look but that there was no real interest and couldn't believe that was the kid he had been told about. Was more interested in Tom Lockyer and Darren ?midfielder? The youth team were always better without him as they were a team and not 10 + a one selfish big head. Hunter got exactly what he deserved when he was shown the door. Sorry to be so blunt but it does annoy me when people completely misrepresent what happened. This was NOT a management issue, it was a player's attitude issue.
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Post by c13 on Jan 11, 2015 16:37:16 GMT
As far as I know Shaquillle took it to Twitter - pretty sure there are printscreens but they were on the old forum - to criticize McGhee and BRFC on extension by calling us a "Dead Scottish Club". Also never impressed at youth and pro level ever since and missed training sessions.
So you know what? F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele because he had no future here and didn't want to have either. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside. Much rather have Della-Verde, thank you very much.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2015 18:02:33 GMT
He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside.
I'm all for constructive criticism and lowering expectations but this post is just baloney
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2015 18:04:18 GMT
Buffoon, they are separate players...
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Post by LPGas on Jan 11, 2015 19:48:44 GMT
Meanwhile JKD has left Frome Town after 5 games, no goals and one red card
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2015 20:01:50 GMT
Ironically Google found this on the OTIB:-
What did make me laugh is one of the players Shaq Hunter tweeting that he missed Geordie Shore last night to watch a Dead Scottish Team! They are not best pleased on the Rovers forum.
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Post by strung out on Jan 11, 2015 20:55:01 GMT
As far as I know Shaquillle took it to Twitter - pretty sure there are printscreens but they were on the old forum - to criticize McGhee and BRFC on extension by calling us a "Dead Scottish Club". Also never impressed at youth and pro level ever since and missed training sessions. So you know what? F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele because he had no future here and didn't want to have either. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside. Much rather have Della-Verde, thank you very much. He was 17 years old.
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Post by c13 on Jan 11, 2015 21:47:02 GMT
Buffoon, they are separate players... Really now mate?! Thank you! I had two pictures here but couldn't tell 'em apart! You know very well what I meant.
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Post by c13 on Jan 11, 2015 21:48:42 GMT
As far as I know Shaquillle took it to Twitter - pretty sure there are printscreens but they were on the old forum - to criticize McGhee and BRFC on extension by calling us a "Dead Scottish Club". Also never impressed at youth and pro level ever since and missed training sessions. So you know what? F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele because he had no future here and didn't want to have either. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside. Much rather have Della-Verde, thank you very much. He was 17 years old. To make a couple mistakes as a 17-year old is one thing but we have clearly seen that for the better part of a season this guy had no willpower to at least stand out as a BRFC player. I still call this good riddance.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jan 11, 2015 22:33:40 GMT
I doubt he will last 10 minutes at the s**t unless his attitude has changed, Cotterill, whatever we think of him, is a knowledgable guy football wise and will soon identify any weaknesses. I bet they are aware of his previous too!
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Post by michaelb on Jan 12, 2015 10:49:46 GMT
But for those of us who don't have the ear of an insider, all that we can rely on is the media, and according to all the reports that I have ever read or heard on the player they all seem to agree. That is, that he is/was a talented player, but that he lacked application and dedication. Now it would be very easy to discount all of these reports, but there must be a grain of truth in there somewhere, surely? For example was he watched by several scouts from Premier League teams? The national and local press told us that he was, and local radio also agreed. In fact it was reported that Liverpool had made an offer of a million (or so) pounds for him. Are all of these reports inaccurate? They may well be, but is it likely that there is not a grain of truth in any of the reports? Now Shaquille was clearly put out during MM's time as manager, when he tweeted to the effect that this was a Scottish club. The manager was so annoyed that the player was disciplined, now is this fact or fiction and if it is fact then doesn't this display an attitude that was not entirely team-based? Skip forward to JW's time as manager, to just under 12 months ago, when the Bristol Post printed the following article . . . Now I would agree with anyone who says that the Bristol Post is not the best of newspapers, but I cannot see them printing such an article (together with some direct quotes), if there was nothing in the story at all. It's my opinion that Shaquille wasn't managed with us very well during his time here, but that he also didn't help himself too much either. For the players sake I hope that he has matured sufficiently to take this opportunity, it's just a shame that he has been offered it by the other mob. I always rated Nicky Tanner by the way, and Larry Lloyd too if it comes to that. I think we can quite safely assume that if Liverpool had offered a Million or so, he would have been long gone and not ended up at Mangotsfield !
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Post by strung out on Jan 12, 2015 11:20:30 GMT
To make a couple mistakes as a 17-year old is one thing but we have clearly seen that for the better part of a season this guy had no willpower to at least stand out as a BRFC player. I still call this good riddance. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to let him go. I still maintain that saying "F*** him, f*** his potential and f*** it if he turns out to be the next Pele. He's a John-Joe O'Toole on the inside" about a 17 year old kid is classless in the extreme. He didn't make it with us, move on. No need for the bitterness in your post.
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