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Post by stevek192 on Nov 25, 2014 10:48:36 GMT
We are where we are. History means nothing whatsoever and the quicker some fans realise this the better. History is what it is..it is what's written in Books.it's the past,it's yesterday and more importantly it's GONE.
We are a Conference team now, in the Conference, no more no less. We have no divine right to win games here and for anyone to say we should be romping this League then in all honesty they are talking out of their rear end. We are here for a reason and that reason is because in the last 5 years at least we have not been good enough whichever division we have been in and last season we were not good enough to retain our League status.
People can say what they want but if you are relegated from one division it does NOT mean that you will be the best team in the division below as was proven when we were relegated from League 1. In the same way that teams who win a league generally have a good first 4 months in the division above due to thye momentum of success so teams on the downward spiral struggle to turn it around.
DC has managed so far to turn around that downward spiral, he has done that on a budget which is probably 100% lower than the budget which Trollope had 5 years ago. Its Ok saying we have one of the largest budgets every year but people seem to forget that we have been moving down leagues and I am sure our budget this season would be equivalent to the lower teams in League 2.
i was not a DC fan and have always said that we should have appointed a Manager like Martin Allen at least 2 months before Clarke took over but that again is History and totally irrelevant now. I have moved on to the PRESENT and DC has proved himself this season IMO and deserves the right to be our Manager for the whole season. We are in a good position in this League at this time. Every point is a point nearer the target which must be to regain our league status. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a Football team. It takes time,patience and a great deal of luck WHATEVER division you are in. It is clearly visible that many do not have the Patience needed and this has probably been a big part of our decline. To call for a Managers head when we sit 2 points off second place is absolutely ridiculous. if we were in the bottom 4 I could understand it.
I stand on the terraces today proud to be a Gashead watching a team of players who each give 100% to the cause and it is a few years since I could say that together with a Manager who calls it as it is. Yes I am hurting from the relegation but that is history. To regain our League status this season will be a tremendous achievement and I believe that DC CAN achieve this. That does not mean he will but he has as much chance as anyone else but to achieve it he need everyone to get behind him. we are supposed to be the 12th man not the Hangman.
Swallow your pride ,forget what has been and create a new history, be part of it and get off your asses and get down the Mem tonight and every home game.Instead of moaning behind a keyboard about things you haven't seen do your part and get behind each and every player and the Manager. Do that and you can say you played your part in any success we have because the easiest thing to do is sit back and criticise the failures from behind a keyboard.
This is not intended as a criticism of those who due to health, wealth or situation cannot attend but to those who sit at home moaning,criticising and come out with any excuse whatsoever to not attend.
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Post by dido on Nov 25, 2014 10:53:57 GMT
Well said Mr K. indeed.
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Post by michaelb on Nov 25, 2014 10:57:49 GMT
I could not agree more ! if everyone was as pragmatic it would be a hell of a place for opposing teams to visit !
Like you I don't enjoy being in the conference or the stigma attached to it, but I have realised as a self confessed pre season DC doubter that I am actually enjoying watching these players give their all. So much more refreshing than watching a so called big time charlie, make a few runs ,go through the motions and pick up his money
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Post by ellington on Nov 25, 2014 11:11:25 GMT
Down the Vic tonight then
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 25, 2014 11:44:44 GMT
Just to get this defeatist ramble straight. DC has a budget 100% lower than PTs budget so DCs budget is actually zero & we have a team playing for nothing? Some of the desperate, unnecessary defence of DC is absolutely bizarre.
History shows that last week's lottery winner had no history of winning the lottery & hence the best course of action would've been not to buy a ticket.
We are only a consistent goalscorer away from challenging for top spot so why this desperate smokescreen of we can't possibly do it? I'm presuming DC is sending out a team to win every week so why shouldn't we be competing for top spot? We've had an indifferent run in terms of winning games but are still within striking distance of the top, most of you make it sound like another desperate battle to avoid relegation, plucky little Rovers with their tiny budget. My f**king arse bar the consistent goalscorer we should be right up there with all the ingredients we have. After all how many teams have we actually played who we couldn't compete with on the pitch? It was only 2 nil at Barnet with a howler from Trotman on his first start (if I remember correctly).
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 25, 2014 11:51:01 GMT
Not sure who this post is really aimed at as surely average attendences are far higher this season than most fans, and the BoD, anticpated, it's not though lack of support the team have only won 2 games in 10?
Some posters seem to feel that fans who want success are anti Rovers when they couldn't be further from the turth
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 25, 2014 11:54:42 GMT
Not sure who this post is really aimed at as surely average attendences are far higher this season than most fans, and the BoD, anticpated, it's not though lack of support the team have only won 2 games in 10? Some posters seem to feel that fans who want success are anti Rovers when they couldn't be further from the turth Yeah, istr there were a lot of predictions around 4500 during pre-season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 11:58:52 GMT
History means we should be where we are, the Mansfield game is history, the whole of last season is history, the years of mismanagement and no one doing a thing about it is hist... Oh nope, that's still going on.
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Post by dido on Nov 25, 2014 12:12:17 GMT
""..Not sure who this post is really aimed at..""
I guess it is aimed at people on here and in the ground whose default position is Miserable/Negative/Wind-up/Anti-Darrell Cos He "Got Us Relegated" Regardless/Criticize Come-What-May/Unreasonable/"Surely Rovers Have to Win Every Tackle and Throw-In and Match Or It's A Rubbish Shambles"/ etc.
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Post by LJG on Nov 25, 2014 12:39:16 GMT
We are where we are. History means nothing whatsoever and the quicker some fans realise this the better. History is what it is..it is what's written in Books.it's the past,it's yesterday and more importantly it's GONE. We are a Conference team now, in the Conference, no more no less. We have no divine right to win games here and for anyone to say we should be romping this League then in all honesty they are talking out of their rear end. We are here for a reason and that reason is because in the last 5 years at least we have not been good enough whichever division we have been in and last season we were not good enough to retain our League status. People can say what they want but if you are relegated from one division it does NOT mean that you will be the best team in the division below as was proven when we were relegated from League 1. In the same way that teams who win a league generally have a good first 4 months in the division above due to thye momentum of success so teams on the downward spiral struggle to turn it around. DC has managed so far to turn around that downward spiral, he has done that on a budget which is probably 100% lower than the budget which Trollope had 5 years ago. Its Ok saying we have one of the largest budgets every year but people seem to forget that we have been moving down leagues and I am sure our budget this season would be equivalent to the lower teams in League 2. i was not a DC fan and have always said that we should have appointed a Manager like Martin Allen at least 2 months before Clarke took over but that again is History and totally irrelevant now. I have moved on to the PRESENT and DC has proved himself this season IMO and deserves the right to be our Manager for the whole season. We are in a good position in this League at this time. Every point is a point nearer the target which must be to regain our league status. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a Football team. It takes time,patience and a great deal of luck WHATEVER division you are in. It is clearly visible that many do not have the Patience needed and this has probably been a big part of our decline. To call for a Managers head when we sit 2 points off second place is absolutely ridiculous. if we were in the bottom 4 I could understand it. I stand on the terraces today proud to be a Gashead watching a team of players who each give 100% to the cause and it is a few years since I could say that together with a Manager who calls it as it is. Yes I am hurting from the relegation but that is history. To regain our League status this season will be a tremendous achievement and I believe that DC CAN achieve this. That does not mean he will but he has as much chance as anyone else but to achieve it he need everyone to get behind him. we are supposed to be the 12th man not the Hangman. Swallow your pride ,forget what has been and create a new history, be part of it and get off your asses and get down the Mem tonight and every home game.Instead of moaning behind a keyboard about things you haven't seen do your part and get behind each and every player and the Manager. Do that and you can say you played your part in any success we have because the easiest thing to do is sit back and criticise the failures from behind a keyboard. This is not intended as a criticism of those who due to health, wealth or situation cannot attend but to those who sit at home moaning,criticising and come out with any excuse whatsoever to not attend. UTG In my opinion this is a little bit, complete and utter nonsense. Our history doesn't give us a divine right to anything, correct - no one has any divine right to anything. However, what our history has given us are a series of assets which, if they hadn't been f**ked up a wall, would mean we shouldn't be where we are. Our former successes have gifted us the following: - a larger fanbase than most at this level, the level above and the level above that; for clarity - that means higher income via gate receipts, merchandise and other revenues (50/50, programs, pasties, pints, SC, FFSC etc) - revenues from the sale of quality players - A shop window for our club to attract players, managers, backroom staff (which apparently we haven't been able to do for the last four years) - A shop window to attract investment - PRIZE MONEY and TV revenues; Play off winners, second place in JPT, Quarter finals of FA Cup. I just couldn't disagree more with the "We are where we are" attitude. It is symptomatic of the lazy, unimaginative, Americanised, blame free, culture that pervades our wider society. It's a consequenceless shrug of the shoulders and it is complete and utter bulls**t. If in three years time I was a shambolic waster with no job who had given up all my qualifications and ignored my work with just the hope of one dodgy del-boy sale of my only asset to a local supermarket to help me survive I don't think that when my parents, my family, my former tutors and teachers and friends say "What happened? We gave you everything, why didn't you build on the success we helped you to have instead of throwing everything away?" that my response would not be "Hey, I am where I am". The first step toward recovery is to admit you have a problem.
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Post by Rex on Nov 25, 2014 12:43:38 GMT
History was my favourite subject at school on the rare occasions I attended
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Post by dido on Nov 25, 2014 12:48:33 GMT
Rex, there's been A LOT more history since you were (not) at school.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 25, 2014 12:59:36 GMT
None of us want to be in the conference. I am sure we can all agree on that.
We are here because we deserve to be for a number of reasons. No, we don’t have any divine right to be higher up the football pyramid, but we really ought to with the advantages we have over many teams above us.
Could we be doing better this season? Yes. We certainly need to score more goals. Tonight’s game will be a good test as to how capable we are going into the second half of the season and pushing on to where we want to be.
I can however understand people having reservations about Clarke. So far he has done a reasonable job. Some will feel he should have done better with the resources.
Clarke is still learning and he has made some naïve mistakes in my opinion. Commenting about negativity and how the lads are feeling down because of a few idiots for one, will do nothing to endear him to those people. The double sub at HT the other week
Standing behind the dugout, I think you can see Clarke developing as a manager all the time. He certainly has taken a step back and not got himself so wound up during games and he generally seems to have settled on a formation and a style for the team to work to and not switching every game. Personnel might change but the actual game plan seems more settled
I think Clarke is trying too hard at times. He knows there is great pressure on him. The double sub the other day I think is an example of that. Trying to do too much to change a game at times
Let’s get behind the manager and the team. They are doing a decent job. We are in the right part of the table despite our weakness in front of goal (hopefully now improved upon). This is a learning curve for all of us, fans included.
Maybe an experienced manager would have got us up easy. DC has made mistakes but he seems to have more enthusiasm and determination for the job then many of the people who have been the manager in recent years
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:52:57 GMT
Again I'll say it, Clarke and Higgs must be wondering just how much of a mess they have to make of things before some people criticise them.
Celebrate mediocrity and that's exactly what you'll be served.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 25, 2014 14:59:59 GMT
Would a more experienced manager get us up easy? I'm not so sure. Certainly Ward and McGee probably wouldn't. I would say we don't want to be top in November and if we were a bit closer to Barnet (say 5 points) I would say we are in the perfect position. This is why I feel it is essential we win tonight as 14 pts would be too much but 8 points with a game in hand would be a good position to enter the upcoming games. We have to start winning our home games again as if we do the away draws would be fine with a couple of wins thrown in.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 25, 2014 15:09:00 GMT
Bamber Gasgroin, What league is Mediocrity? With that attitude you may as well support a top Premiership team as it basically means you shouldn't support anything as mediocrity is League 1 & 2 also. Success this season will be to get out of this League and I'm sorry if you don't think we should support that but that's your prerogative. People have already criticised Clarke for last season when it was Ward who got us in the mess. I feel the position we are in now is worth being positive about the club. Each to our own.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 25, 2014 15:32:28 GMT
Again I'll say it, Clarke and Higgs must be wondering just how much of a mess they have to make of things before some people criticise them. Celebrate mediocrity and that's exactly what you'll be served. Who is celebrating mediocrity?
We are where we are and have to deal with it. As it is the manager and the team are doing a reasonable job. There is no way of knowing if another manager would do a better job than what Clarke is doing currently, but we could be doing far worse
We have had a problem scoring goals, but have hopefully done something to rectify this by bringing in new attacking options. These might be the difference maker they may not. We are in the right part of the table and if we can start finding the net more regularly we are well placed.
I am not sure that is celebrating mediocrity, but is trying to be positive about the team that we support that is generally putting in a decent shift to try and get us promoted
I am certainly not happy with the failings of the club as a whole, but am behind the team (whatever their limitations) that is working hard to put some thing's right
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 15:43:48 GMT
Bamber Gasgroin, What league is Mediocrity? With that attitude you may as well support a top Premiership team as it basically means you shouldn't support anything as mediocrity is League 1 & 2 also. Success this season will be to get out of this League and I'm sorry if you don't think we should support that but that's your prerogative. People have already criticised Clarke for last season when it was Ward who got us in the mess. I feel the position we are in now is worth being positive about the club. Each to our own. It's not a League, it's a club that when the present Chairman took over was 2 divisions higher and had just made a massive profit, now being 2 divisions lower and having lost all of that profit plus having huge additional loans secured against the only asset. And has had huge income from player sales, all gone, wasted, lost, gambled away. It's an assistant manager who, along with the manager, undid all of the work done the previous year, then when he took sole charge turned solid home form into defeats against the worst team in the entire League and played suicide tactics against a team with nothing whatsoever to play for. It's a club who get 5000+ home gates, sell out both corporate areas of the ground but still can't put out a team capable of beating Chester, Kidderminster, Alfreton, Tranmere (cast adrift at the bottom of L2 and hadn't won in 12 games before facing Rovers), Forest Green Rovers, Aldershot, Dover, Eastleigh, Braintree or Altrincham. Knock yourself out standing on the sidelines and on forums clapping and saying how great that record is. I'll repeat, it's nothing to do with the players, they look to be doing the best they can, but see the other thread about how full time professional athletes should be looked after and how that should give a massive advantage over part time outfits. Then look at our results against those part time clubs. Something's not right, is it?
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Post by michaelb on Nov 25, 2014 15:48:58 GMT
What exactly is the recipe for guaranteed success ?
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 25, 2014 16:06:29 GMT
We're actually only 2 games away from the official half season. If we win both of the next two matches we are on current form for a play-off place based on the past 10+ years history of the conference table. Tonight is a massive game so get down there and make that 12th man count.
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