Teigngas
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Post by Teigngas on Nov 12, 2014 7:14:38 GMT
Your deluded if you thought we were going to piss over every team in this league and get promotion. Add together the last 4 seasons plus the way the club is run and you'll find the answer to why we are having a superb season and why reactions like tonight will only de-rail any chance of doing the unthinkable and going back up at the first attempt. We are 4th in the league with another 27 games left, nothing is won or lost yet, people need to fu**ing settle down review things in January and then again at Easter. We can't change where we are at the moment, but is there any chance people could feel positive about being in the top 4 for once instead of the bottom 4. We may not be in the football league, but i'm alot happier paying to watch an honest bunch of players and a young manager desperate for success than the the shower of s*** that has been served up and excused just because we were in a division higher. Excellent post, agree 100%. Yes we need an attacker(s) but really, were there so many of you that assumed we would walk this league after so many years of shocking top tier management? If I was told at the end of last season that we would be 4th, in the playoffs, with our young manager assembling a young, hungry squad I would have been delighted. I have to admit I was expecting a season of rebuilding and a mediocre mid table performance this season. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 12, 2014 7:39:43 GMT
Feck me dread to think what the reaction would have been if we had lost, 1 point better off, moved up a place, good day at the office. Home on Saturday and a good chance to keep building another unbeaten run, at least tonight proved that pretty much every striker in our squad doesn't look much of a goalscorer, glad Taylor is no longer a scapegoat. Personally I would be in the glass half full camp. Another point, in the mix, no bad thing. Positive indeed.
However we need to start scoring goals from somewhere or we won't go up. That's the depressing/frustrating thing. We can see games are there for the taking and we are not taking them. We could be even better off with just a couple more goals
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 12, 2014 8:02:48 GMT
Some people seem to think that football management is easy.
Clark had to assemble best part of a new squad, in a few weeks, with a slashed budget, for a club that is know to be in free-fall and had just been relegated, with hardly any scouting network and a panicking board. How could he have been expected to get everything right first time? Even the best and most experienced managers in the world, with all the money they like to spend and a vast scouting network, only get signings right what, 60% of the time?
Clearly Clarke has recognised the problem, but that's just the first step, it takes time to find the right players or to change existing players.
Personally, so far, my expectations on the pitch have been slightly exceeded (against a background of embarrassment and anger at the board that we are in this dire predicament in the first place).
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Alveston Gas
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Post by Alveston Gas on Nov 12, 2014 8:06:55 GMT
Glass half full too. Alfreton are no idiots and battled for their lives. We are short in quality in the middle of the park and short on scoring ability up front. What a suprise, we all knew that so does DC. We do keep going, we do keep trying, we don't loose very often. COYB
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 12, 2014 8:12:53 GMT
Wasn't there tonight and can't comment. Agree with all the need a new striker opinions. Would just like to say: We are 4th and not scoring goals. As much as we all want for better, I would take this position at start of season. It can only get better..
Not necessarily ... everything is starting to bottleneck below ...lots of teams in and around the play offs.
Our inability to score and close out matches is already dragging us into one heck of a scrap when we could have probably been up with Barnet and some breathing space.
Yeah, looks like we need to worry more about the eight teams queuing up behind us, than what Barnet are doing, now. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2014 8:42:16 GMT
The big issue is we're only picking up points by keeping clean sheets against the Conference's weaker teams i.e. Telford, Alfreton once we play the Barnet's and Grimsby's of this division how are we going to come back from a goal down? We're throwing points away by failing to score and that could come back to bite us if we hit a dodgy spell and lose a couple of games.
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Post by LJG on Nov 12, 2014 11:04:57 GMT
Wasn't there tonight and can't comment. Agree with all the need a new striker opinions. Would just like to say: We are 4th and not scoring goals. As much as we all want for better, I would take this position at start of season. It can only get better.. Well, I was there and it isn't just a striker we need. The game tonight was crying out for someone to put their foot on the ball and pick a pass from midfield. To be fair to the front 3, they made decent runs when we had the ball, just nobody in midfield with any vision to put them through. That said, the times that the 'strikers' did manage an attempt on goal they were powder puff and lacking in any potency or confidence. Parkes surprisingly looked our main threat and should have scored twice. Once with a header that he just didn't control properly and a right (wrong) foot shot that was straight at their keeper. Quite why the lad from Fulham was kept on the bench for so long is a puzzle. As soon as he came on he gave us another dimension. He looked bright, confident & aware and should definitely start on Sat. Alfreton were scared sh*tless of us in the 2nd half and should have been put to the sword. But, a point is a point I guess, and away from home as well. It just frustrates the hell out of me that it could and should have been 3! Luckily I am working in Worksop this week, so not far to come. I do feel for the couple of hundred who travelled from Bristol though, it will be a long trip home. A win on Saturday will hopefully cheer us all up.
UTG
I agree with these two sentences. People talking about "We're one goalscorer away from being a mid table League Two side" are talking total dog chocolate. The midfield is like the Grand Canyon - one great big hole. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 12, 2014 11:05:44 GMT
Glass half full too. Alfreton are no idiots and battled for their lives. We are short in quality in the middle of the park and short on scoring ability up front. What a suprise, we all knew that so does DC. We do keep going, we do keep trying, we don't loose very often. COYB not lost away (in the lge) since Braintree. The performances have often not been great, and lots of draws, but a lot of teams would die for a run like that. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 12, 2014 11:14:56 GMT
Wasn't there tonight and can't comment. Agree with all the need a new striker opinions. Would just like to say: We are 4th and not scoring goals. As much as we all want for better, I would take this position at start of season. It can only get better.. Well, I was there and it isn't just a striker we need. The game tonight was crying out for someone to put their foot on the ball and pick a pass from midfield. To be fair to the front 3, they made decent runs when we had the ball, just nobody in midfield with any vision to put them through. That said, the times that the 'strikers' did manage an attempt on goal they were powder puff and lacking in any potency or confidence. Parkes surprisingly looked our main threat and should have scored twice. Once with a header that he just didn't control properly and a right (wrong) foot shot that was straight at their keeper. Quite why the lad from Fulham was kept on the bench for so long is a puzzle. As soon as he came on he gave us another dimension. He looked bright, confident & aware and should definitely start on Sat. Alfreton were scared sh*tless of us in the 2nd half and should have been put to the sword. But, a point is a point I guess, and away from home as well. It just frustrates the hell out of me that it could and should have been 3! Luckily I am working in Worksop this week, so not far to come. I do feel for the couple of hundred who travelled from Bristol though, it will be a long trip home. A win on Saturday will hopefully cheer us all up.
UTG
thanks for the report. I couldn't go but everything I heard on the radio and everything I've read on the forums agrees with you. Although a striker is important, we actually need some creative midfield play, some proper wing play, and some penetrating dribbles. People are obviously frustrated, including me. Saying 'would you have take fourth at the start of the season' is far too simplistic. That's ok for statisticians, but to real fans who watch games, it is obvious that we are on shaky ground, yet also just a bit of investment away from being an auto promotion challenger. We aren;t putting teams away, unlike barnet and Grimsby, and there are a LOT of teams JUST behind us. The old adage is that you strengthen when you are ahead; we need to strengthen NOW. the reason we are getting away with it at the moment is that non-lge strikers, are...well, non-lge strikers. And we have one of the best shot stoppers in the lower divisions. We would let in a lot more goals in Lge 2. |
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Post by brizzle on Nov 12, 2014 13:05:35 GMT
So so predictable. clearly Clark is clueless when it comes to bringing in players, regardless of the stage of the season. those that do arrive are no better than those already here or are so unfit they may as well not be here. and yet still some on here think dc is the best thing since sliced bread grrrrrr not a lot he can do when there is no money Both the Manager and the Chairman are both on record as saying that there is money available within the budget, for a new striker and possibly one other player. These statements were made recently, so their sell-by date hasn't been reached yet. It seems to me that the major problem with recruitment seems to be being able to attract quality players, who are prepared to come to the club. It seems to me that our reputation precedes us when trying to attract players, now that we have stopped using inducements of big wages and long contracts for third-rate players. |
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Post by fanatical on Nov 12, 2014 13:32:33 GMT
not a lot he can do when there is no money Both the Manager and the Chairman are both on record as saying that there is money available within the budget, for a new striker and possibly one other player. These statements were made recently, so their sell-by date hasn't been reached yet. It seems to me that the major problem with recruitment seems to be being able to attract quality players, who are prepared to come to the club. It seems to me that our reputation precedes us when trying to attract players, now that we have stopped using inducements of big wages and long contracts for third-rate players. When attracting staff it has to be recognised that living in and around Bristol is more expensive than a lot of places and therefore there is a premium to be paid - and this applies to any industry including football. A consideration for all players who we want to come here. Not a problem if attracting a local player but where will we get a prolific striker from? |
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Post by brizzle on Nov 12, 2014 13:50:28 GMT
Both the Manager and the Chairman are both on record as saying that there is money available within the budget, for a new striker and possibly one other player. These statements were made recently, so their sell-by date hasn't been reached yet. It seems to me that the major problem with recruitment seems to be being able to attract quality players, who are prepared to come to the club. It seems to me that our reputation precedes us when trying to attract players, now that we have stopped using inducements of big wages and long contracts for third-rate players. When attracting staff it has to be recognised that living in and around Bristol is more expensive than a lot of places and therefore there is a premium to be paid - and this applies to any industry including football. A consideration for all players who we want to come here. Not a problem if attracting a local player but where will we get a prolific striker from?Very good question that fanatical, and one which I don't know the answer to. Hopefully the Manager is a little better clued-up, eh? But to return to basics, do we agree with both the Manager and the Chairman that there is money available within the budget for a new striker, and possibly one other player? After all that was the main point that I was attempting to reply to. Both should both know the answer surely? Certainly more likely to know than you and I, but where they live when they do eventually arrive is another matter altogether. Perhaps they will be found accommodation in Portishead next to Angelo Balanta (was he our most recent signing by the way?), or failing that KP did post recently that he had offered accommodation to BRFC, and was still awaiting a reply. Bags of options . . . once the signing has been made. |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 12, 2014 13:55:02 GMT
I have no particular criticism of Clarke and I don't think a point against Alfreton was a terrible result in the circumstances. If you looked at the deeper context of the game it was a tougher match than the positions in the league table might suggest in the sense that they've been playing well and picking up points at home against decent sides, and they were well rested. So in isolation I don't think that's a terrible result.
However, at the same time it's pretty damn clear that we missed a golden opportunity to close the gap to Barnet and it would be nice to think we could stay in touch with Automatic promotion race just for the morale of fans more than anything else. It's also pretty clear that unless we find a way of improving the goals for column then we're going to continue to drop points we probably shouldn't be and will likely drift out of the promotion back which is unacceptable. It's not neccesarily just a case of signing a striker, it could be changing the way we play or signing a playmaker/winger etc people get hung up on striker = goals, sometimes there are better more balanced ways of doing it then simply going out an signing 'the man'. Personally I'd rather have 4 players in a team scoring 10 goals each from different parts of the field than 2 up front scoring 20 each. It's fairly clear something has to change somehow though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 15:35:46 GMT
DC playing a very attacking team, such a refreshing change to have a manager who is happy to change formations on a regular basis and is not scared to go out with a formation that gives us the best chance of winning a game. Good to see White & Leadbitter getting a chance to impress, Taylor playing as a number 10 is probably his best position and the quality he will bring there will put into perspective that it's not life or death that he scores every week. An attacking team? 3 centre backs 2 full backs a holding midfielder,looks like the sort of team he shopuld have sent out against Mansfield not Alfreton for G...s sake |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Nov 12, 2014 15:42:14 GMT
DC playing a very attacking team, such a refreshing change to have a manager who is happy to change formations on a regular basis and is not scared to go out with a formation that gives us the best chance of winning a game. Good to see White & Leadbitter getting a chance to impress, Taylor playing as a number 10 is probably his best position and the quality he will bring there will put into perspective that it's not life or death that he scores every week. An attacking team? 3 centre backs 2 full backs a holding midfielder,looks like the sort of team he shopuld have sent out against Mansfield not Alfreton for G...s sake I suppose we could have played Wardys famous 4-5-1 against Mansfield and got thrashed like we did at Hartlepool when we went up there with 10 men behind the ball looking for a point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 16:04:24 GMT
It wasnt only the Mansfield debacle it was the constant team changes and dont get me started about the Torquay game .As for Mansfield they were so up for the game the travelled on a Saturday morning when the holiday traffic was building up on the motorways,stopped for fish and chips then found they had left their kit behind,they werent interested and if we had put out a balanced side instead of going gung ho for an unneccessary victory we would have got the point we needed.But what a change in your attitude last season and the pre season you didnt have a good word to say about the club but now you are falling over backwards to hail the messiah who was unable to get 8 points from 8 games or 2 points fro 6 yo keep us in the football league.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Nov 12, 2014 16:35:38 GMT
We've both changed Padstow, last season you shot down any complaints i made during a horrific season that resulted in relegation, and this season you are doing everything you can to be negative when we are in the promotion mix, funny old world eh.
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Post by gashead1979 on Nov 12, 2014 17:50:21 GMT
Post from an Alfreton Fan;
Absolutely delighted with a point. Certainly one point gained for us and two dropped for Rovers. We played well and defended manfuly once again. Thats two consecutive clean sheets and we are starting to develop a good team spirit. If I was a Rovers fan though Id feel very angry and disappointed. One top drawer save from a Parkes shot by Dawson in the second half was all your really had in terms of real chances. Their was also a shot that flashed across the face too. For us we had a dissallowed goal and a Graham headed collected by Mildenhall under pressure.
Not the greatest of games and my first 0-0. We dont have many at all. This mnay be our first since away at Telford the last time they were in the Conference Prem!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2014 20:02:30 GMT
It wasnt only the Mansfield debacle it was the constant team changes and dont get me started about the Torquay game .As for Mansfield they were so up for the game the travelled on a Saturday morning when the holiday traffic was building up on the motorways,stopped for fish and chips then found they had left their kit behind,they werent interested and if we had put out a balanced side instead of going gung ho for an unneccessary victory we would have got the point we needed.But what a change in your attitude last season and the pre season you didnt have a good word to say about the club but now you are falling over backwards to hail the messiah who was unable to get 8 points from 8 games or 2 points fro 6 yo keep us in the football league. Easy to say DC should have played a balanced team but that was impossible when he had both first choice full backs out injured, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good moan. Whilst DC may not be the best manager in England at least he's doing better at the moment than PT/DP/MM & JW ever did when put in charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 20:28:11 GMT
By what measure is he doing better than Paul Trollope?
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