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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 7, 2014 6:28:31 GMT
Hi As you are aware I strongly back the idea of open forums because I believe it gives everyone the chance to put their questions forward and to get a direct answer. As you will appreciate the Chairman is extremely tied up with planning permission issues at the moment, but says he would like to hold the next open forum either in December or early January. I am sure he will confirm a date in the next few weeks. If I know sooner I will let you know - otherwise keep an eye out on the chairman's reports.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 7:43:35 GMT
Is he being deliberately provocative with the term 'open forum' or is he just unintentionally funny?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 7, 2014 9:01:59 GMT
Not sure whether that is sarcasm or irony.
I asked Brian several times to engage with this forum and there was deadly silence.
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Post by The Gas on Nov 7, 2014 13:11:58 GMT
Not sure whether that is sarcasm or irony. I asked Brian several times to engage with this forum and there was deadly silence. And you wonder why?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 7, 2014 13:21:31 GMT
Not sure whether that is sarcasm or irony. I asked Brian several times to engage with this forum and there was deadly silence. And you wonder why? Your sarcastic comment amuses me as it implies my post is the reason he doesn't come on here. I take it from your post that you support his lack of engagement. My comment is made after numerous requests to engage with us and silence from him. A specific request was made to members to respect him which in view of recent events is going the extra mile. It is a response to his refusal to engage or to come anywhere near this forum in spite of the size of it's membership and a real desire to engage. If you have any influence then perhaps you can persuade him to speak to us.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 7, 2014 13:23:54 GMT
Perhaps he will unveil the suggestion box.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 7, 2014 13:29:29 GMT
Perhaps he will unveil the suggestion box. . . . or the result of the all-embracing, in-depth, root and branch review of the club. Although I doubt that he will, or would.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 7, 2014 14:41:28 GMT
Your sarcastic comment amuses me as it implies my post is the reason he doesn't come on here. I take it from your post that you support his lack of engagement. My comment is made after numerous requests to engage with us and silence from him. A specific request was made to members to respect him which in view of recent events is going the extra mile. It is a response to his refusal to engage or to come anywhere near this forum in spite of the size of it's membership and a real desire to engage. If you have any influence then perhaps you can persuade him to speak to us. Um isn't this about NH doing an 'open' forum & not BSS? Forgive me Terry if you mean you have been asking NH to come on here
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 7, 2014 14:45:47 GMT
Your sarcastic comment amuses me as it implies my post is the reason he doesn't come on here. I take it from your post that you support his lack of engagement. My comment is made after numerous requests to engage with us and silence from him. A specific request was made to members to respect him which in view of recent events is going the extra mile. It is a response to his refusal to engage or to come anywhere near this forum in spite of the size of it's membership and a real desire to engage. If you have any influence then perhaps you can persuade him to speak to us. Um isn't this about NH doing an 'open' forum & not BSS? Forgive me Terry if you mean you have been asking NH to come on here Brian says he is all for open communication, however doesnt seem willing to post his update on here. Not sure what stops him copying and pasting his message here. I will even pin and lock the message if he doesnt want to take questions
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 15:37:58 GMT
Maybe the sarcastic comments that follow any reasonable communications just isn't worth the hassle.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 7, 2014 15:59:39 GMT
Your sarcastic comment amuses me as it implies my post is the reason he doesn't come on here. I take it from your post that you support his lack of engagement. My comment is made after numerous requests to engage with us and silence from him. A specific request was made to members to respect him which in view of recent events is going the extra mile. It is a response to his refusal to engage or to come anywhere near this forum in spite of the size of it's membership and a real desire to engage. If you have any influence then perhaps you can persuade him to speak to us. Um isn't this about NH doing an 'open' forum & not BSS? Forgive me Terry if you mean you have been asking NH to come on here Paul, appreciate that NH is the one holding the open forum Paul but BSS has been the one who notifies fans which in itself is great and appreciated when it happens. However my issue is that a number of us have asked BSS very politely and courteously in numerous ways to share on here as well. There are after all fans on here who may not have accounts on Gaschat or read the Official Site. In fact I have copied and pasted his past notifications from Gaschat. Every request has been blanked and BSS will only communicate to forum fans through Gaschat. That is why some of us have become frustrated to the point of cynicism. Perhaps I could have phrased my comment better but I am getting a headache banging against that wall....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 7, 2014 16:01:21 GMT
Maybe the sarcastic comments that follow any reasonable communications just isn't worth the hassle. GH75 There have been no "reasonable communications" from BSS on here therefore he has not had any hassle......
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Post by brizzle on Nov 7, 2014 16:22:04 GMT
Um isn't this about NH doing an 'open' forum & not BSS? Forgive me Terry if you mean you have been asking NH to come on here Paul, appreciate that NH is the one holding the open forum Paul but BSS has been the one who notifies fans which in itself is great and appreciated when it happens. However my issue is that a number of us have asked BSS very politely and courteously in numerous ways to share on here as well. There are after all fans on here who may not have accounts on Gaschat or read the Official Site. In fact I have copied and pasted his past notifications from Gaschat. Every request has been blanked and BSS will only communicate to forum fans through Gaschat. That is why some of us have become frustrated to the point of cynicism. Perhaps I could have phrased my comment better but I am getting a headache banging against that wall.... . . . please allow me to assist, Cheshire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 17:11:46 GMT
Perhaps he just doesn't read this forum?
Should he read all of the forums and post on each individual one? Seems very time consuming to me, we have Peter Parker re-posting any stuff Brian posts anyway so don't see an issue personally.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 7, 2014 17:17:37 GMT
Perhaps he just doesn't read this forum? Should he read all of the forums and post on each individual one? Seems very time consuming to me, we have Peter Parker re-posting any stuff Brian posts anyway so don't see an issue personally. I understand about PP posting ~ so have I. Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that it would take longer than 2 minutes to communicate on this forum to fans who are part of the Share Scheme? Or are people on here lesser fans? It is not that he has said it is too much trouble ~ he just hasn't replied to ANY of our requests.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 17:19:17 GMT
Perhaps he just doesn't read this forum? Should he read all of the forums and post on each individual one? Seems very time consuming to me, we have Peter Parker re-posting any stuff Brian posts anyway so don't see an issue personally. I understand about PP posting ~ so have I. Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that it would take longer than 2 minutes to communicate on this forum to fans who are part of the Share Scheme? Or are people on here lesser fans?It is not that he has said it is too much trouble ~ he just hasn't replied to ANY of our requests. Ah, now we're getting down to it, ha ha. Paranoia. Brilliant.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 7, 2014 17:36:48 GMT
Perhaps he just doesn't read this forum? Should he read all of the forums and post on each individual one? Seems very time consuming to me, we have Peter Parker re-posting any stuff Brian posts anyway so don't see an issue personally. Its two seconds to copy paste. Thats how long it took me. Sorry, but if he is a fans rep and we are the electorate, and there may be some on here who actually voted for him, then yes he should use all available means of communication. If he is worried about being asked some difficult questions that he might want to avoid, i will lock and pin his communication.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 7, 2014 17:43:21 GMT
It just seems odd to me that a man who is supposed to represent fans viewpoints to the board refuses to make use of what would be a pretty efficient way of finding out what a large number of fans think. Yes, I think posting to as many Rovers forums as he could would be a better use of his time than meeting fans on a one to one level on matchdays because you'd be able to reach a much larger range of the fanbase (though of course he should do both).
If the reason for not doing so is that he's concerned that he might get some criticism I find that ridiculous; it's like a politician who holds an elected position and is only prepared to talk to people who agree with them - that is not his job. Suggests to me that only a small group of fans are actually being listened to. I think he is performing lesson A1 from the public relations professional - control the conversation.
I have no particular opinion on BSS but I didn't vote for him because I don't feel he has made any effort whatsoever to actually reach out and talk to fans on anyone's terms other than his own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 17:51:40 GMT
It just seems odd to me that a man who is supposed to represent fans viewpoints to the board refuses to make use of what would be a pretty efficient way of finding out what a large number of fans think. Yes, I think posting to as many Rovers forums as he could would be a better use of his time than meeting fans on a one to one level on matchdays because you'd be able to reach a much larger range of the fanbase (though of course he should do both). If the reason for not doing so is that he's concerned that he might get some criticism I find that ridiculous; it's like a politician who holds an elected position and is only prepared to talk to people who agree with them - that is not his job. Suggests to me that only a small group of fans are actually being listened to. I think he is performing lesson A1 from the public relations professional - control the conversation. I have no particular opinion on BSS but I didn't vote for him because I don't feel he has made any effort whatsoever to actually reach out and talk to fans on anyone's terms other than his own.And entitled to your opinion you should be, well done. The vast majority voted for him to continue though as any democracy should, therefore i can only assume the majority are happy with his efforts as SC Representative. A fair few on here seem pretty anti-Brian and that is of course very acceptable, i didn't see a long list of those wanting to replace him to prove their outstanding credentials, they could have stood for election, won the election and done everything better, then we would all be winners.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 7, 2014 18:17:16 GMT
It just seems odd to me that a man who is supposed to represent fans viewpoints to the board refuses to make use of what would be a pretty efficient way of finding out what a large number of fans think. Yes, I think posting to as many Rovers forums as he could would be a better use of his time than meeting fans on a one to one level on matchdays because you'd be able to reach a much larger range of the fanbase (though of course he should do both). If the reason for not doing so is that he's concerned that he might get some criticism I find that ridiculous; it's like a politician who holds an elected position and is only prepared to talk to people who agree with them - that is not his job. Suggests to me that only a small group of fans are actually being listened to. I think he is performing lesson A1 from the public relations professional - control the conversation. I have no particular opinion on BSS but I didn't vote for him because I don't feel he has made any effort whatsoever to actually reach out and talk to fans on anyone's terms other than his own.And entitled to your opinion you should be, well done. The vast majority voted for him to continue though as any democracy should, therefore i can only assume the majority are happy with his efforts as SC Representative. A fair few on here seem pretty anti-Brian and that is of course very acceptable, i didn't see a long list of those wanting to replace him to prove their outstanding credentials, they could have stood for election, won the election and done everything better, then we would all be winners. I actually think the vast majority didn't vote - which suggests if anything apathy rules and he won a majority among the people who did care. I actually don't care all that much about fans directors, I don't think they really do anything. All that is being said here is that he hasn't used forums to communicate with fans - in the modern world given the primary role he has is representing fans I find that a bit strange. Surely if you are in a role where you represent the fans views to the board you would want to go to places where you could get flavour of those views. If the reason he wouldn't is because some people might be critical of him I would suggest 1)this is part of the job (provided it is not personal and nasty) and 2)this can pretty easily be managed in ways outlined above. It comes across as a fans representative who is afraid to engage with certain groups of fans. If anything it just further suggests a bunker mentality on the part of the club who appear unwilling to engage with their fanbase on anything other than their own carefully managed terms. I think that is a shame more than anything else and is part of why many feel increasingly distanced from the club.
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