|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 10:53:15 GMT
So, he has been banned because some on here didn't agree with him? Oh dear.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 10:57:08 GMT
So, he has been banned because some on here didn't agree with him? Oh dear. Nope, just pretty sure he repeatedly broke rule one...
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 11:04:37 GMT
As do many others on here...........
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 11:05:32 GMT
As do many others on here........... Report them then
|
|
|
Post by stig-of-the-gas on Nov 3, 2014 11:06:06 GMT
If someone is breaking the law, then yes, they should be banned. However........ "If they're not breaking the law then they’re not doing anything wrong, are they? We’ve got robust laws about incitement to violence and the rest. And the thing about this free speech stuff is the “free” that’s in the phrase. I am and should be allowed to say “lock up the filthy homos” however stupid, impolite or hateful it would be for me to say this. Just as Abu Hookhand is at liberty to discuss the finer points of stoning them or pushing a wall over on them. What neither of us may say is let’s go stone that filthy homo over there. That’s just what free speech means." It's a concept that seems to have been misunderstood by the moral high and mighty on this forum. Oh well, at least we now know we can call someone a 'fool' on this forum and it's allowed. www.timworstall.com/Sometimes by trying to be clever you prove without doubt how stupid you are !!!
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 11:10:27 GMT
If someone is breaking the law, then yes, they should be banned. However........ "If they're not breaking the law then they’re not doing anything wrong, are they? We’ve got robust laws about incitement to violence and the rest. And the thing about this free speech stuff is the “free” that’s in the phrase. I am and should be allowed to say “lock up the filthy homos” however stupid, impolite or hateful it would be for me to say this. Just as Abu Hookhand is at liberty to discuss the finer points of stoning them or pushing a wall over on them. What neither of us may say is let’s go stone that filthy homo over there. That’s just what free speech means." It's a concept that seems to have been misunderstood by the moral high and mighty on this forum. Oh well, at least we now know we can call someone a 'fool' on this forum and it's allowed. www.timworstall.com/Sometimes by trying to be clever you prove without doubt how stupid you are !!! Bringing the law into is laughable. If I dutch ovened my girlfriend I'd expect to spend the night on the sofa for breaching the "Do not fart under the covers and then stick Sarah's head under the covers" rule. He signed up to the forum with the rules in place and broke them repeatedly. Move along.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 11:34:02 GMT
As do many others on here........... Report them then I wouldn't be so childish.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 11:38:10 GMT
If someone is breaking the law, then yes, they should be banned. However........ "If they're not breaking the law then they’re not doing anything wrong, are they? We’ve got robust laws about incitement to violence and the rest. And the thing about this free speech stuff is the “free” that’s in the phrase. I am and should be allowed to say “lock up the filthy homos” however stupid, impolite or hateful it would be for me to say this. Just as Abu Hookhand is at liberty to discuss the finer points of stoning them or pushing a wall over on them. What neither of us may say is let’s go stone that filthy homo over there. That’s just what free speech means." It's a concept that seems to have been misunderstood by the moral high and mighty on this forum. Oh well, at least we now know we can call someone a 'fool' on this forum and it's allowed. www.timworstall.com/Sometimes by trying to be clever you prove without doubt how stupid you are !!! Am I stupid? That is just your opinion. Am I offended by your opinion? Shall I report you for having an opinion? Should you be banned for your opinion? Just saying................ I reckon the crowd for the next home game will be 19,365. Thought I'd better put something Roves related into the post before some muppets start to sent anonymous complaints to the Mods.
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Nov 3, 2014 11:43:38 GMT
Being stupid is like being dead. When you are, you don't know you are but everyone else has to deal with it...
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 11:50:05 GMT
Ha, ha.......The personal insults are building up. You have no argument do you?
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Nov 3, 2014 12:28:13 GMT
its not an insult Nobby, just an aphorism on the theme of stupidity
|
|
LJG
Peter Beadle
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 969
|
Post by LJG on Nov 3, 2014 12:28:59 GMT
Um...err.......Where has the 'Daily Mail' comment come from? Should I take your patronising comment about reading a book as 'offensive'? Some would take offence, but coming from a fool like you, it's just water off a duck's back to me. See, I'm allowed to say that.....or I could 'take offence' and report your comment expecting the Mods to ban you! Yes, threatening or abusive language is an offence, however, having an opinion is, as far as I am aware, not an offence. The Mods have drawn a line in the sand. Let's see how they moderate in the future eh? This is not a go at the Mods, just an observation that they've made a rod for their own backs by pandering to the whims of the loud shouty types. Why do you keep banging on about taking offence? Taking offence is completely irrelevant. You incorrectly cited the power of free speech and stated that it was a misunderstood concept whilst clearly demonstrating that it is a concept which you yourself have misunderstood. You were talking about things being against the law - which is completely irrelevant - then said if I say a "homo" should "burn" that's your right of free speech and not against the law; but it is - doing it in any public or private place (other than a dwelling house) could cause you to be guilty of, at least, affray. Have you taken offence to this? ... because that's still irrelevant. Hey ... I hope Mildenhall isn't out for too long. Wonder if we'll get that new striker in this week. It's the midfield not creating enough chances I worry about.
|
|
Cheshiregas
Global Moderator
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,165
|
Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 3, 2014 12:42:47 GMT
HHmm, double standards are in place eh? Apparently, calling someone a 'nob' or a 'fool' is acceptable is it? I'm not taking sides, Just saying. Nobby I had noticed the insults and was looking to do something but wanted to read the thread first. Following the introduction of recent legislation your comment about homosexuals could be treated as hate speak, not trying to be self righteous but just saying. zfc had been asked numerous times to keep to the Rovers topics ~ this is after all what this section of the forum is about. He had been requested to stop trying to turn every subject he posted on to one about lambasting muslims. I appreciate with zfc that what you see is what you get but some of the threads had sailed far too close to the legal wind. I know you want to say that this is anti-free speech forum but it is not that at all. This is a Bristol Rovers forum for Bristol Rovers supporters to debate about the club. Other clubs supporters are welcome to debate freely as well. It is not a forum for proving who is Billy Big Balls and posting over and over again provoking the moderators and the Admin team. We have better things to do with our lives. If some folks want to show that we are bad ass anti-free speech liberals in order to close the forum by provoking us as some are doing then it is pointless having the forum and it should be closed. If people want to keep banging away trying to prove they own the rights on free speech then it is a very sad day. As has been said if zfc wants to post about Rovers then great if he like others just want to post political rants then there are a million other places to do so. I would welcome him back as on his day he can be quite amusing but not to spout vitriolic rhetoric regards Cheshire
|
|
irishrover
Global Moderator
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,372
|
Post by irishrover on Nov 3, 2014 12:45:33 GMT
. . . and I would totally agree with you on that one, chewbacca. But surely the forum's rules should be applied equally to ALL members, and not just one of them? Just because someone has posted on here from the year dot, it surely doesn't mean that he should be allowed to spout unpleasant views on others, whilst either laughing up his sleeve or sulking, in equal measure. I've noticed quite a bit of ''cosying up'' to the moderators, and I must say that I'm not impressed by it. Sorry but I'm genuinely not sure what it is you're getting at here. From my point of view - I reluctantly agree with the decision taken (which I think is the case for all of us really). No one wants to ban anyone and in general we use a light touch except in issues where we are concerned that there might be legal implications to things that people have written. When it comes to the 'rough and tumble' of message board posting I think all mods would rather less abuse was thrown around and more posters respected each other because ultimately it's a waste of time abusing someone on a message board, it creates a bad atmosphere and it spoils threads. However, in general we prefer this to police itself. We only step in if we think it is consistently spoiling threads or if we are getting a lot of complaints from people. Ultimately with ZFC it was an issue of engaging - he didn't seem to be interested in engaging with the topics on the board anymore and was just bringing everything back to the same things (which has nothing to do with Rovers or football in general) whenever the vaguest opportunity presented itself. Again, I think it's about persistent behaviour. Obviously the odd thread will drift into other territory but the difference is between the conversation naturally going that way (like some conversations around the stadium sometimes becoming discussions about planning law or local politics etc) and there'll be the odd throw away comment here and there which is generally fine. What isn't fine is persistently crow-barring in the same topic over and over again that has nothing to do with the topic thread and seems to have no other motive other than to provoke. In the past we have warned and suspended other people for behaving like this but in general either they stopped posting or amended what they were doing - this is the first time we've felt we had to ban someone I think and it's because it makes the message board dysfunctional and unpleasant. Most of his posts since the Current Affairs forum closed either involved posting off topic provocative messages or abusing people who called him on it. It felt like he was just disrupting threads at any opportunity in order to prove a point. He was repeatedly warned and carried on doing it -so it's not as though he hasn't been warned and it's not as though he was banned at the drop of a hat; it was done very reluctantly. I found it childish more than anything else. Also I agree with pretty much everything Cheshire has just said re; the purpose of the board.
|
|
Peter Parker
Global Moderator
Richard Walker
You have been sentenced to DELETION!
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,920
|
Post by Peter Parker on Nov 3, 2014 12:48:05 GMT
Right, here goes again (probably not for the last time, but hopefully)
As moderators, I think we are pretty loose with the rules. I certainly don’t want to be enforcing them to the letter and would like to think we use common sense.
I and many others including ZFC have used one incarnation of these message boards for over a bloody decade. Most of us have used some sort of language or had a go at each other on or off over this time that would break the rules if enforced rigidly. Most of us take it for what is/was. A heated debate argument in the internet pub.
Abuse and personal attacks are not acceptable, but I’d like to think everyone who uses the board and not just the moderators uses some common sense. Shane has been called a few things on this thread. No it isn’t really allowed, but he has been rubbing people up the wrong way and taking away ‘enjoyment’ of using the forum. Shane was just ‘polluting’ The Rovers section, with not just non rovers talk (which again I am not overly bothered by personal) but controversial views. He was warned many times and he has banned.
As I say as Admin/moderators I am welcome to revisit the decision if Shane behaves
If you want us to enforce the rules to the letter we will, but I am sure we will all fall foul of that at some point. Shane was consistent and consistently ignored the warnings
|
|
|
Post by a more piratey game on Nov 3, 2014 12:49:56 GMT
time to lockt he thread?
|
|
irishrover
Global Moderator
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,372
|
Post by irishrover on Nov 3, 2014 12:54:03 GMT
I think people are entitled to ask administrators to justify their decisions but I think as we all have done I can't see how this can go anywhere other than into circular arguments.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 3, 2014 12:58:03 GMT
Terry,
I agree with most of what you say.
However, I have to point out the hypocracy of some on here. This forum, and the previous forum that spawned this one, were the main shouting places used to attack the board of BRFC when the guy was banned from the Mem. The language and vitriol directed at the board was extremely hostile, and still is whenever the subject resurfaces. Now, a section of people on this forum are acting the same as the board. Getting someone banned from something because they didn't like what he was saying.
Just because some people complain about something, it doesn't mean they are right. Banning someone based on what other people 'think'? You've opened Pandora's Box there.
|
|
|
Post by tbonegas on Nov 3, 2014 13:00:27 GMT
Terry, I agree with most of what you say. However, I have to point out the hypocracy of some on here. This forum, and the previous forum that spawned this one, were the main shouting places used to attack the board of BRFC when the guy was banned from the Mem. The language and vitriol directed at the board was extremely hostile, and still is whenever the subject resurfaces. Now, a section of people on this forum are acting the same as the board. Getting someone banned from something because they didn't like what he was saying. Just because some people complain about something, it doesn't mean they are right. Banning someone based on what other people 'think'? You've opened Pandora's Box there. Sack the board then.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 13:09:45 GMT
Terry, I agree with most of what you say. However, I have to point out the hypocracy of some on here. This forum, and the previous forum that spawned this one, were the main shouting places used to attack the board of BRFC when the guy was banned from the Mem. The language and vitriol directed at the board was extremely hostile, and still is whenever the subject resurfaces. Now, a section of people on this forum are acting the same as the board. Getting someone banned from something because they didn't like what he was saying. Just because some people complain about something, it doesn't mean they are right. Banning someone based on what other people 'think'? You've opened Pandora's Box there. Sorry Nobby, but that is a lot of "tosh". We live in a multi cultural world. This is a football forum about what? FOOTBALL! Everybody is welcome and the presence of continued hate provoking images for one was wrong, if you want to look at things like that I am sure there is a website out there where you will find things like that. He was given enough warnings, we did not ask him to change his own personal views we simply asked him not to post them on a FOOTBALL forum.
|
|