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Post by ComptonDandoGas on Oct 19, 2014 23:07:25 GMT
Martin 4 When he first signed I thought he looked a good player but i am afraid after another poor display I am hoping we replace him in January. Maybe it is mainly down to the way Clarke plays but he needs to get further up the pitch and also take responsibility or perhaps he needs shooting lessons! also have to agree with this. have been giving him the benefit of the doubt for about 6 matches now and he keeps getting worse. Hope either a replacement is found or Balanta gets fit soon because Martin's atrocious final product after getting into decent positions is costing us
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 23:23:03 GMT
I know DC has come out with some pearls of wisdom recently but his latest after he said in the non league newspaper interview with Sam Elliot on page 18 "Lets put into context, we've lost one of our last ten games. If we carry on like this we'll win the league." blind faith or what ? We did not and have not looked convincing in any of those last ten matches. The group need to improve a lot to seriously challenge Barnet. Leadbitter is not as good as Lockyer and Clarke is a poor replacement for Sinclair. Martin and Cunnington have failed to improve the side and need to go back to their respective Clubs. Harrison needs another few starts and how about bringing Jamie Lucas back from Weston and giving him a chance up front or some sub appearances. if we keep winning 6,drawing 3 and losing 1 we obviously will win the league so dc is simply stating the obvious
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 23:27:53 GMT
We should still be beating these sides no argument sorry it a just my opinion, our support deserves better, Most teams struggle to get couple thousand through the gates where we had 7 yesterday. It's been a decent start, where not out of it at all but want us to desperately to kick on. what has the amount of supporters got to do with it? look through the leagues its not that important
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 23:46:18 GMT
Disgraceful was the title for yesterdays match BASED on as I put in the first paragraph - Corners going almost straight out the other side,back four that if they get any deeper they will be either in the Blackthorn or the other end and a midfield that stand around just in front of our defenders waiting for the short ball that never comes then please don't get me going on the strikers.Well i can only report back how I saw the game and the only positive I can make is that we should have won but the overall performance was disgraceful. What on earth do we do in training? To be truthful Forest Green were bloody awful both in terms of ability and football but have to say on todays performance Daryl Clarke must seriously look at the football he is promoting. If it isnt him promoting the long ball then perhaps he should have deep discussions with his players !! We still should have won and I am not criticising the players attitude and effort but the football was pretty dismal and IMO it is disgraceful to play football the way we played yesterday ie hoofball when we have only two players up field. It is not even a reaction to losing but just the way the players were directed to play yesterday. Ok some may think we played quite well, this is just a personal opinion of the game as I saw it based on what I like to watch and IMO yesterday the level of football played by us was not even a touch on the better performances of last season and closer to the worst. the set pieces were poor saturday but i think they have been much better mostly this season
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Post by irishrover on Oct 20, 2014 11:26:35 GMT
I think people are just going to have to get used to these reactions and so are the players.
There are many of us who simply do not think it is acceptable for Rovers to be in the Conference and therefore losing to the like of FGR and Altrincham is going to provoke over the top reactions because it just reminds us of how low we've fallen and what a mess the club has become.
It doesn't matter how many wins in a row we reel off whenever we lose to these sides it is going to produce a negative reaction from a large number of people - that is the reality of being Bristol Rovers and playing in the Conference. I have great difficulty mustering up any enthusiasm when I look at who we are playing each weekend. I think people who want everyone to 'get behind them...' need to recognise that it's not simply a switch that you turn on and off - it is a feeling and for a lot of people that feeling has declined as the club has nosedived.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:47:41 GMT
I think people are just going to have to get used to these reactions and so are the players. There are many of us who simply do not think it is acceptable for Rovers to be in the Conference and therefore losing to the like of FGR and Altrincham is going to provoke over the top reactions because it just reminds us of how low we've fallen and what a mess the club has become. It doesn't matter how many wins in a row we reel off whenever we lose to these sides it is going to produce a negative reaction from a large number of people - that is the reality of being Bristol Rovers and playing in the Conference. I have great difficulty mustering up any enthusiasm when I look at who we are playing each weekend. I think people who want everyone to 'get behind them...' need to recognise that it's not simply a switch that you turn on and off - it is a feeling and for a lot of people that feeling has declined as the club has nosedived. you make a lot a sense in your post but the end result is we have large attendances for this level but a low number of "supporters" ie people who support and encourage the team,,i noticed at aldershot that there fans seemed unfazed and still enthusiastic when they went behind against us despite a recent relegation and some poor results this season. many on this forum simply think we should win every game against "pub sides" but there not pub sides are they? wigan crawley fleetwood yeovil pub side?
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Post by irishrover on Oct 20, 2014 11:59:41 GMT
I think people are just going to have to get used to these reactions and so are the players. There are many of us who simply do not think it is acceptable for Rovers to be in the Conference and therefore losing to the like of FGR and Altrincham is going to provoke over the top reactions because it just reminds us of how low we've fallen and what a mess the club has become. It doesn't matter how many wins in a row we reel off whenever we lose to these sides it is going to produce a negative reaction from a large number of people - that is the reality of being Bristol Rovers and playing in the Conference. I have great difficulty mustering up any enthusiasm when I look at who we are playing each weekend. I think people who want everyone to 'get behind them...' need to recognise that it's not simply a switch that you turn on and off - it is a feeling and for a lot of people that feeling has declined as the club has nosedived. you make a lot a sense in your post but the end result is we have large attendances for this level but a low number of "supporters" ie people who support and encourage the team,,i noticed at aldershot that there fans seemed unfazed and still enthusiastic when they went behind against us despite a recent relegation and some poor results this season. many on this forum simply think we should win every game against "pub sides" but there not pub sides are they? wigan crawley fleetwood yeovil pub side? Well this is the issue. I think for a club like Aldershot being in the Conference is not the end of the world - it wasn't that long ago they went out of business and they probably wouldn't reasonably aspire to play higher than League 2 anyway. So I doubt they see themselves as having fallen that far. For a lot of Rovers fans our natural position is considered at the top of League 1 and pushing for promotion to the 2nd tier. Dropping to the 4th was hard to take, dropping out of the league completely beyond the pale. We have fallen to a level we never considered ourselves getting to in our wildest nightmeres. That's why there's going to be volcanic reactions - I'm sure Luton, Oxford etc had to deal with this too. I can't say what the atmosphere at the Mem is like because I haven't been able to get there yet this year but I can imagine patience is not high when the team falls behind. It is obviously not helpful but I don't think it is likely to go away because people are still very angry that we are where we are and winning will allow that to be temporarily put to one side for a while but as soon as we lose they will just be reminded of how crap things currently are. It's not the same as ragbag Rovers at Twerton because we were genuine underdogs and there was a sense of pulling together. All our current failures have done is split things apart and we are not underdogs and therefore expectations are we win home games in this league - no excuses. That's a tough environment for coaches and players, but it's a reality they're going to have to get used to I feel.
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Post by singupgas on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:52 GMT
Course number of fans you have makes a difference, you pay the players more and whatever else the cost of watching us play the like of fgr costs.
Value for money, do we get it, were holding our own like i've said it's not been a terrible start by any means but would like to see us win a few games comfortably. Even in our 9 game unbeaten run we far from convincing to pick up anything in some games.
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Post by LPGas on Oct 20, 2014 17:18:17 GMT
Course number of fans you have makes a difference, you pay the players more and whatever else the cost of watching us play the like of fgr costs. Value for money, do we get it, were holding our own like i've said it's not been a terrible start by any means but would like to see us win a few games comfortably. Even in our 9 game unbeaten run we far from convincing to pick up anything in some games. No you are wrong, we could get 10,000 but the board might not allocate that money to the team. FGR are probably better financed because their chairman is about 10 time richer than ours. It's not about the crowd, it's about who is putting money in. Gates don't cover the running costs of 99.9% of any club in the country
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Post by old_fogey on Oct 20, 2014 19:19:38 GMT
I know DC has come out with some pearls of wisdom recently but his latest after he said in the non league newspaper interview with Sam Elliot on page 18 "Lets put into context, we've lost one of our last ten games. If we carry on like this we'll win the league." blind faith or what ? We did not and have not looked convincing in any of those last ten matches. The group need to improve a lot to seriously challenge Barnet. Leadbitter is not as good as Lockyer and Clarke is a poor replacement for Sinclair. Martin and Cunnington have failed to improve the side and need to go back to their respective Clubs. Harrison needs another few starts and how about bringing Jamie Lucas back from Weston and giving him a chance up front or some sub appearances. if we keep winning 6,drawing 3 and losing 1 we obviously will win the league so dc is simply stating the obvious I'm afraid you are wrong and it is an indication of how difficult it is to win this league. If we win 6 draw 3 and lose 1 (i.e. 21pts from each set of 10 games) from now on we would end up with 92 points from 47 games, so probably around 90 from 46 games. That proportion of points per game (just under 2 pts per game) would only have won the league once this century!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2014 21:42:46 GMT
Course number of fans you have makes a difference, you pay the players more and whatever else the cost of watching us play the like of fgr costs. Value for money, do we get it, were holding our own like i've said it's not been a terrible start by any means but would like to see us win a few games comfortably. Even in our 9 game unbeaten run we far from convincing to pick up anything in some games. No you are wrong, we could get 10,000 but the board might not allocate that money to the team. FGR are probably better financed because their chairman is about 10 time richer than ours. It's not about the crowd, it's about who is putting money in. Gates don't cover the running costs of 99.9% of any club in the country But we also run at a £1m loss each season which is probably far higher than most Conference sides? Say 6,000 fans are bringing in £20 each game, over 30 games that's £2.7m, add sponsorship, shop sales etc plus the £1m losses and our expenditure is £4m. FGR with a quarter of our gate would have match receipts of around £1m, so is their Chairman really pumping in £2/3m a season to give then a similar budget?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 23:01:40 GMT
if we keep winning 6,drawing 3 and losing 1 we obviously will win the league so dc is simply stating the obvious I'm afraid you are wrong and it is an indication of how difficult it is to win this league. If we win 6 draw 3 and lose 1 (i.e. 21pts from each set of 10 games) from now on we would end up with 92 points from 47 games, so probably around 90 from 46 games. That proportion of points per game (just under 2 pts per game) would only have won the league once this century!! yes i accept you must be right and barnet have a little better points ratio per 10 games,,we would be in the play offs as 2nd place or even 3rd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 23:12:09 GMT
you make a lot a sense in your post but the end result is we have large attendances for this level but a low number of "supporters" ie people who support and encourage the team,,i noticed at aldershot that there fans seemed unfazed and still enthusiastic when they went behind against us despite a recent relegation and some poor results this season. many on this forum simply think we should win every game against "pub sides" but there not pub sides are they? wigan crawley fleetwood yeovil pub side? Well this is the issue. I think for a club like Aldershot being in the Conference is not the end of the world - it wasn't that long ago they went out of business and they probably wouldn't reasonably aspire to play higher than League 2 anyway. So I doubt they see themselves as having fallen that far. For a lot of Rovers fans our natural position is considered at the top of League 1 and pushing for promotion to the 2nd tier. Dropping to the 4th was hard to take, dropping out of the league completely beyond the pale. We have fallen to a level we never considered ourselves getting to in our wildest nightmeres. That's why there's going to be volcanic reactions - I'm sure Luton, Oxford etc had to deal with this too. I can't say what the atmosphere at the Mem is like because I haven't been able to get there yet this year but I can imagine patience is not high when the team falls behind. It is obviously not helpful but I don't think it is likely to go away because people are still very angry that we are where we are and winning will allow that to be temporarily put to one side for a while but as soon as we lose they will just be reminded of how crap things currently are. It's not the same as ragbag Rovers at Twerton because we were genuine underdogs and there was a sense of pulling together. All our current failures have done is split things apart and we are not underdogs and therefore expectations are we win home games in this league - no excuses. That's a tough environment for coaches and players, but it's a reality they're going to have to get used to I feel. im afraid your right but i find it depressing
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