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Post by stevek192 on Oct 18, 2014 18:56:52 GMT
Well i can only report back how I saw the game and the only positive I can make is that we should have won but the overall performance was disgraceful. What on earth do we do in training? Corners going almost straight out the other side,back four that if they get any deeper they will be either in the Blackthorn or the other end and a midfield that stand around just in front of our defenders waiting for the short ball that never comes then please don't get me going on the strikers.
To be truthful Forest Green were bloody awful both in terms of ability and football but have to say on todays performance Daryl Clarke must seriously look at the football he is promoting. If it isnt him promoting the long ball then perhaps he should have deep discussions with his players !!
Mildenhall 5 A fantastic save in the first half but the goal would never have occurred if he had dealt with a feeble free kick properly and his distribution throughout was poor.
Leadbitter 5.5 A reasonable game ruined by poor control on the sending off. Looks really good going forward but has to decide when he makes runs and when he distributes the ball. Reminds me very much of Smith in the early days with us.
Trotman 6.5 A good strong game but it worries me how deep he plays because quite a few times he plays a few opponents onside when if he and the rest of the back four pushed up we would have achieved two things- first we would have got plenty of offsides including the goal and secondly it would have meant that the opponents forwards would have needed to use up energy getting onside.
Parkes 5 Very poor distribution and at times looked very flat footed and allowed players he should have been marking to move away from him,receive the ball and turn him. Personally would have dropped him for the next game if leadbitter was not suspended.
Brown 6.5 One of the few players to play up to their usual standard
Gosling 5.5 Definitely has ability but for me plays too deep and doesn't push up enough..but I could say that about most of the team.
Mansell 6 Fighting a lone battle in the midfield and really needs somebody alongside him who can actually play the game and a Manager who promotes a more attack minded side.
Clarke 3 Did he play today? Sorry but does not have the ability to play regular football and at best should be on the bench as he gets totally lost to the game
Monkhouse 2 Diodn't last very long and based on what he did when he was on we didn't miss anything. Is not the answer out wide but if we decided to play football he might be ok in the middle.
Cunnington 4 Seems to be getting worse and also is made to look even worse by our failure to vary the service or find him a partner who plays somewhere near him.
Taylor 4 How much longer can we afford to play a player firing blanks? Had two decent chances (in fact more than decent) but yet again has cost us points by failing to take them. Can't say I support the love in with him because IMO strikers are rated on their goals and taylor does not have a goal in him.
Harrison 5 Ran about and did a couple of decent runs but service to him was poor so its very difficult to actually mark him
White Not worth providing a mark as by the time he was used it was too late.
Martin 4 When he first signed I thought he looked a good player but i am afraid after another poor display I am hoping we replace him in January. Maybe it is mainly down to the way Clarke plays but he needs to get further up the pitch and also take responsibility or perhaps he needs shooting lessons!
Refs Well we had two today and Hardly worth a point between them. Not saying they lost us the game as we did that ourselves but have to be honest and saying Conference referees are the worst around. Thought the second half referee had to be better than the first half but actually I think he was worse!!
DC - 3 I am getting worried with the last three or four performances that he has got the Ward syndrome with us playing deep from the first minute until the last and playing a lot of hoofball which is bloody stupid when you have most of your team back and boot it up to nobody. We played into a very limited ability wise Forest green teams hands because they were physically stronger than us and little else. In truth even down to ten men we were the better team and had we taken our chances would have won even playing as poorly as we did.
To conclude-Is this a blip or are we not going to get any better? I am really not sure but came away from the game today feeling that despite a long unbeaten run we look a poor side with very little direction from the Management and maybe we are lucky to be as high as we are!!
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 18, 2014 19:01:24 GMT
And did I hear correctly in DCs post match interview that a bid had been turned down for a player? So could be that we might have to wait a bit longer for the Cavalry to arrive.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 18, 2014 19:03:42 GMT
Well, to be honest, especially in the second half, I thought we were much better than our last two home games. I kinda enjoyed that more, fighting against the odds against a half-decent team, than trying to control poor teams to a 1-0.
And we had 5 nailed-on chances. On another day, three of them could have easily gone in. I'd rather see that, also, than someone scoring a lucky worldie in the first 15 minutes.
Obviously points are more important, but we couldn't go on as we were, scraping lucky results on an unbeaten run, and actually playing gradually worse and worse, afaict.
At least the game got the blood flowing a bit*.
*I don't mean Parkes' forehead.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 18, 2014 19:08:26 GMT
Well i can only report back how I saw the game and the only positive I can make is that we should have won but the overall performance was disgraceful. What on earth do we do in training? Corners going almost straight out the other side,back four that if they get any deeper they will be either in the Blackthorn or the other end and a midfield that stand around just in front of our defenders waiting for the short ball that never comes then please don't get me going on the strikers. To be truthful Forest Green were bloody awful both in terms of ability and football but have to say on todays performance Daryl Clarke must seriously look at the football he is promoting. If it isnt him promoting the long ball then perhaps he should have deep discussions with his players !! Mildenhall 5 A fantastic save in the first half but the goal would never have occurred if he had dealt with a feeble free kick properly and his distribution throughout was poor. Leadbitter 5.5 A reasonable game ruined by poor control on the sending off. Looks really good going forward but has to decide when he makes runs and when he distributes the ball. Reminds me very much of Smith in the early days with us. Trotman 6.5 A good strong game but it worries me how deep he plays because quite a few times he plays a few opponents onside when if he and the rest of the back four pushed up we would have achieved two things- first we would have got plenty of offsides including the goal and secondly it would have meant that the opponents forwards would have needed to use up energy getting onside. Parkes 5 Very poor distribution and at times looked very flat footed and allowed players he should have been marking to move away from him,receive the ball and turn him. Personally would have dropped him for the next game if leadbitter was not suspended. Brown 6.5 One of the few players to play up to their usual standard Gosling 5.5 Definitely has ability but for me plays too deep and doesn't push up enough..but I could say that about most of the team. Mansell 6 Fighting a lone battle in the midfield and really needs somebody alongside him who can actually play the game and a Manager who promotes a more attack minded side. Clarke 3 Did he play today? Sorry but does not have the ability to play regular football and at best should be on the bench as he gets totally lost to the game Monkhouse 2 Diodn't last very long and based on what he did when he was on we didn't miss anything. Is not the answer out wide but if we decided to play football he might be ok in the middle. Cunnington 4 Seems to be getting worse and also is made to look even worse by our failure to vary the service or find him a partner who plays somewhere near him. Taylor 4 How much longer can we afford to play a player firing blanks? Had two decent chances (in fact more than decent) but yet again has cost us points by failing to take them. Can't say I support the love in with him because IMO strikers are rated on their goals and taylor does not have a goal in him. Harrison 5 Ran about and did a couple of decent runs but service to him was poor so its very difficult to actually mark him White Not worth providing a mark as by the time he was used it was too late. Martin 4 When he first signed I thought he looked a good player but i am afraid after another poor display I am hoping we replace him in January. Maybe it is mainly down to the way Clarke plays but he needs to get further up the pitch and also take responsibility or perhaps he needs shooting lessons! Refs Well we had two today and Hardly worth a point between them. Not saying they lost us the game as we did that ourselves but have to be honest and saying Conference referees are the worst around. Thought the second half referee had to be better than the first half but actually I think he was worse!! DC - 3 I am getting worried with the last three or four performances that he has got the Ward syndrome with us playing deep from the first minute until the last and playing a lot of hoofball which is bloody stupid when you have most of your team back and boot it up to nobody. We played into a very limited ability wise Forest green teams hands because they were physically stronger than us and little else. In truth even down to ten men we were the better team and had we taken our chances would have won even playing as poorly as we did. To conclude-Is this a blip or are we not going to get any better? I am really not sure but came away from the game today feeling that despite a long unbeaten run we look a poor side with very little direction from the Management and maybe we are lucky to be as high as we are!! Thanks Steve, As usual, an honest appraisal. Much appreciated mate |
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 18, 2014 19:16:00 GMT
Can't argue with any if that! Disappointing.
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Post by me on Oct 18, 2014 19:25:42 GMT
I can't quite work out how we created so many clear cut chances when we played so badly. I have to say this result has been coming with performances in recent games. I thought FGR were quite good 1st half but that might have more to do with us playing so badly first half. They properly bullied us first half and the ref just let them get away with it. Second half performance was much better but why did we suddenly start competing when we went down to 10 men? The comparisons with John Ward are going to start pretty soon when you look at how deep we play. Hopefully today has convinced Cunnington and Taylor is not a partnership which will succeed and Martin, Monkhouse and Gosling are simply not good enough. It's time Harrison and White are given chances and we desperately some wide men, hopefully Balanta and Sinclair wont be injured for too long.
Finally, what a nasty bunch those FGR players are, constant petty fouling then going down when they feel any contact and constant time wasting. Needless to say the officials were of typical conference standard to let them get away with it.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Oct 18, 2014 19:41:02 GMT
Last season DC would be foaming at the mouth shouting at the defence to push up the pitch - but as noted above we now set out far too deep and let teams come on to us. Not sure why with largely the same personnel and Trotman can't be much slower than McCrystal to justify a different approach?
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Oct 18, 2014 19:49:45 GMT
Crikey, not good reading. I feel bad for all the 7000 that paid money to watch, although of the 5 matches I've watched this season I'm yet to see a defeat, however I also have not seen a good performance yet either. Obviously in desperate need for some quality additions to the squad, or face spending the rest of the season chasing the likes of Woking and Gateshead!
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Post by Gwengers on Oct 18, 2014 20:08:45 GMT
Agreed with the above. Did anyone see what happened between Taylor and the fan after the full time whistle? A few points... - Ollie Clarke isn't good enough and was a significant part of our relegation last year, although we should be thankful for his two random long shots which have us +3 points on where we may be without them.
- Taylor continues to cost us points. Replace him with a good striker and we would have been neck and neck with Barnet by now. I fear our lack of recruitment means it is already too late for this season, we probably won't be in touching distance of them by the time we sort our striker situation.
- I thought their right back, who it has to be said, was awful, should have been sent off for a very dangerous two footed lunge in the first half.
- The referees were so bad that it makes you question more than their competence.
- The red card was very harsh aided by some play acting/conning from their player.
- The result was coming - we have scraped too many results recently and been getting progressively worse.
Is there any news on Balanta's fitness? We do not need 2 new players, we genuinely need 4 or 5.
Last point... this league really is poor. Very very poor. Suggestions from others that Clarke has us on the end of something amazing having gone 9 unbeaten... do we need to be reminded that half of these teams are part time, and the other half are about the level of the bottom 4 teams in league two?
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Post by Royal Blue on Oct 18, 2014 20:36:21 GMT
I definitely think we need to improve the team and bring a spark and end product to our attacking play but I don't think disgraceful is the right word.
We need to put it into context. We are now just outside the play-off places and while there have been a few games where Gasheads would say 'we didn't actually play that well', I can't recall many times when the opposition were better than us and more worthy of the points than we were. That either means we're over exaggerating somewhat or we don't actually need to be that great to get to the top of this division.
The first half was woeful today, no doubt about it. We were deservedly behind but it was a goal that was of our own making; it wasn't like we were carved open or anything. The second period was much better and how we didn't score two goals (at least) I'll never, ever know. Taylor should have hit the net, Trotman should have hit the net and I thought for all the world that Martin's diving header was finding the bottom corner as well. If just one of those had gone in we'd be sat here with at least a point and we'd have retained a place in the top 5. Wouldn't have been so bad for a team that 'didn't play very well', would it?
I'm not saying I disagree about the standard of our performances recently because they haven't been as good as the ones we put in against Woking and Lincoln City, for example, but to me we're still doing enough to deserve points from games.
Ollie Clarke, unfortunately, is a waste of a man in midfield and we don't have enough presence in the centre as a result. He contributes nothing defensively, he's anonymous actually in the middle of the park and bar the occasional worldie (which his goals definitely were) he contributes nothing to our attacking play. We desperately missed Sinclair today - fingers crossed he's back next weekend to replace OC. I also thought Lee Brown was poor today. I'm not afraid to say I don't really rate him that highly at the best of times but today he was so weak and scared in the 50/50s that he came off second best every single time. It was as if their players intimidated him. If you watch you'll notice every team we play against try and exploit us down our left because they identify LB as a weak link and they get joy from it because he's neither quick nor particularly aggressive. I don't think he's awful and more often than not he'll have a decent game but his performance was something that I and a fair few others noticed today as not being very good.
There has to be improvements made to the team and I think there will be in the next week or two because DC isn't stupid. I saw a comment on Twitter earlier saying he needs to realise that he needs to spend money to get good players - DC's not ******* stupid, if he had unlimited funds I'm sure he'd sign the best players available! He isn't scrimping purely for the sake of it! The reason he emphasises about wanting players who play for the shirt is mainly because that is indeed what he wants but also to lesser the expectation of agents as to how much we will pay for their players. You don't come out and say 'I'm looking to spend a decent amount on wages for a player this week' because he'll get mugged off. NH says he will make funds available to strengthen and we should just wait and see who DC is able to bring in - it's not like we're the 'I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole' type team now thanks to our decent league position, so hopefully we can get a good standard of player in.
All in all there is plenty to improve and build on but to chastise the manager and the team is too far when you look at where we are. I'm not saying we shouldn't strive to be better but even with our current team we have not come up against a team that have deservedly beaten or taken points from us (Barnet were decent but we gifted them both goals on the night).
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Post by c13 on Oct 18, 2014 20:54:53 GMT
A bit too harsh in very few points but I agree with 95% (if not more) of what you wrote there, stevek.
Ollie Clarke is way too scared to play and he plays as a ball winning midfielder, which is the position that most requires courage, so it's down to lack of options I think. Maybe if we played Mansell in the ball winning role and Monkhouse as the creative midfielder, with Martin out wide, we could see something different, but I'm afraid of what this may implicate in terms of marking because Monkhouse can't mark for s***. We desperatedly need a Yaya Toure (of course, proportions acknowledged) type of player who can mark and carry the ball to our strikers, and maybe, just maybe, that's what Cunnington - Taylor are missing to be the fearsome double up front (though at this point I don't think Taylor's problem is the servicing, but rather, his own rotten foot).
Martin has been very poor but he has a flair that we lacked in wingers for a while now, so all we can do is stick with him for a while and hope it gets better. Balanta IMO should be the one to replace Martin when the time comes, and then maybe - that is a LOT of wishful thinking - we can get Brunty back here and pair him with Cunnington.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 21:12:58 GMT
if the op was talking about the 1st half i might agree but we were much better than forest green in the 2nd half even with 10 men and really should have won the match.
we did play a lot of long balls but we also worked the ball out wide and attacked down the flanks on many attacks.
all the top teams have had patchy form and poor results in this tight league so im not getting to down at the moment .
its going to be very hard to get a good striker in november but we do need one its clear
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Post by singupgas on Oct 18, 2014 23:17:11 GMT
Should be better than forest green first half and second.. forest green rovers who are they?? Not good enough, especially at home. Like someone said above the majority of the side are part time and we aren't to convincing when we win. People getting ahead of themselves after the 9 game unbeaten run, we are still poor and need additions fast.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 0:08:14 GMT
Should be better than forest green first half and second.. forest green rovers who are they?? Not good enough, especially at home. Like someone said above the majority of the side are part time and we aren't to convincing when we win. People getting ahead of themselves after the 9 game unbeaten run, we are still poor and need additions fast. who are fleetwood? dont know but there in league 1 ,,about 10 teams are part time in the conference but so what? and forest green are full time dont you know that? |
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Post by c13 on Oct 19, 2014 2:25:09 GMT
Should be better than forest green first half and second.. forest green rovers who are they?? Not good enough, especially at home. Like someone said above the majority of the side are part time and we aren't to convincing when we win. People getting ahead of themselves after the 9 game unbeaten run, we are still poor and need additions fast. We can't get hung up on reputation anymore. Teams rise, teams fall. We can talk players, tactics, but reputation isn't a decisive factor in winning or losing in today's football, it's at most a secondary factor, especially in this league. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 19, 2014 7:17:39 GMT
Fitst half was woeful, but i agree woth Fargas we were better in the second half than we have been in the recent games. FGR were crap and we had the chances to have beat them comfortably
Martin. s**te. Only has foot and seems reluctant to run with the ball most of the time. He van go back
Cunnington is crap as well. Let Coles boss him about all game. His flick ons are s**t.
I like Taylor but he needs a rest. White and Harrison deserve a chance against Dorchester. Ellis at least makes himself a handful.
Miss Sinclair and his all energy always moving in misfield badly
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Post by bs20gas on Oct 19, 2014 8:57:57 GMT
we got beat up on our own pitch by Nailsworth, no tackling and we totally bottled most challenges and some woeful finishing to boot.
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Post by p4perlant3rn on Oct 19, 2014 9:18:32 GMT
For me the most disgraceful aspect of the afternoon was the unacceptable abuse Taylor received from some 'fans' who very shortly after were giving David Pipe a clap as he left the pitch. He is hardly Messi, and I would fully support dropping him, but he didnt deserve that. Very few ex Rovers players have earned the right to be clapped off the pitch when playing for the opposition. Elliott, Disley - absolutely. Pipe - no chance. Shows the lack of intelligence of some of our supporters.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 19, 2014 9:35:39 GMT
Clapping Pipe off the pitch like he was some kind of hero for us? What a load of old s**t. The muscle bound roider had even less ability than me! Not getting a game in the conference anymore, just about sums it up.
But then if you are stocky, bald & look hard you are automatically a darling of the blackthorn end.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 19, 2014 9:53:20 GMT
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But then if you are stocky, bald & look hard you are automatically a darling of the blackthorn end.[/quote]
.....I didn't realise I could be a darling?!!! Hehe!
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