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Oct 14, 2014 16:29:57 GMT
Post by brizzle on Oct 14, 2014 16:29:57 GMT
Good afternoon Cheshiregas, from a very wet and windy Bristol. I'm sorry for the delay in replying to your post, but I've only just stumbled across it as you didn't link your reply to mine. In any event I'm pleased that we both seem to agree on the matter in hand, and I do apologise if you found any parts of my post to be provocative. I can assure you that this was not my intention, and I blame the forum format for that as it's clearly not the ideal way to conduct a conversation of potentially differing opinions. That's why I applaud the initiative that kingswoodpolak has shown in organising a get-together tomorrow, as I'm quite certain that it is only the written word that comes between people when they fail to express themselves adequately or properly. It's a shame that you probably won't be able to make the occasion, but meanwhile it does appear that I have fallen into the category that I have mentioned previously, which from my point of view is unfortunate, and also untrue. As for the rest of your post I'm undecided what my role in it is. Is it aimed at me personally, or other posters who's posts have come to your attention, and on the face of it appear to have upset you? I'm undecided, but as I have no ties to any others on here I'll allow those comments to pass, as I'm quite certain that you'll let me know if I have misread the situation. Once again my apologies for using the words angst and agenda in relation to yourself, it was quite unintentional on my part and no offence intended. Note to self: Must Do Better. Kind regards. Brizzle I agree with you and applaud KP on his organised drink. I am hoping if time allows in the future to catch up with old friends at matches if I can get to the Mem, family commitments allowing, as it is a while since I have seen some of my fellow Gasheads, other than some at away games. I am sure that you haven't had a role in the various postings I mentioned other than the fact that you, like me, have been involved in the wider debate. And by the way it would take a lot to offend me so not apology necessary. I hope the drink up goes well because I am sure Gasheads have more in common than they think.... Nice read that, Cheshire. Till the next time, eh? Shame about the Rottweiler though.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:18:34 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 15, 2014 15:18:34 GMT
There seems to be a consensus of caution about the on - field progress we are making from posters who report on games and who us ex pats rely on. Steve K gave a very honest assessment of the midweek game and it sounds as if todays performance was another unconvincing one. I think that the reason for the "quiet" is that many people now see beyond the short term and realize that no foundations are being layed either with the team or with the club. We had a report of Nick Higgs appearing on TV saying there would be good news at the end of November but there was no reaction. No jubilation that he expected building work to start in the spring but equally no sarcasm or ridicule that we had heard it all before. Just an empty feeling of resignation that what will be will be and who really cares anyway. But, as IrishRover posted last week, many of us believe a club should be so much more than this. The apathy is there from top to bottom and I have a feeling that the reason crowds are holding up so well is not because Rovers fans see any break through with the football team or want to share the vision of a club moving forward it's because they like a good day out. Now I'm a traditionalist and over the years Rovers have given me many happy times and the post astafjevs made on the Aldershot pub thread certainly strikes a chord with me. I can just imagine his car load of Gasheads pulling up outside that pub and seeing it crammed full and someone saying "b*gger this lads I know a place down the road" and the rest of them thinking "oh christ what are we letting ourselves in for here" and then find themselves bluffing their way into some club or boozer and having a whale of a time. After the draw at Southend which clinched promotion in 1974 I managed to blag my way into a very sophisticated night club in the West End of London along with my mates from North Somerset and we certainly had a "wail of a time that night. But times change, people change, football changes and I think one of the reasons for the emptiness in people's feelings about Rovers is because the motivation for following the team is a "good day out" and keeping up a tradition rather than also feeling part of a good club as we did in 1974. We congratulate ourselves on having a huge number of fans following the team but what does the future hold if "the lads" are not passionate about the team or the club but purely want a good time with their mates ? If people are sceptical whether we are laying the foundations of a team and sceptical whether we are going to lay the foundations of the UWE what do they think about the foundations being layed today for a fan base who will be following Rovers in large number forty years from now ? My lads were actually in a crowd of 60 000 at the University of Kentucky "football" game today. If you click the link and look at the gallery of fans at that game you will see a huge diversity of people having a good time. I doubt many of them know all the players names or have a great understanding of the significance of the result but they are intent on enjoying themselves. I'm not saying we should copy the way sport is run in the USA but I am saying we might learn from it. We might need to accept that us "traditionalists" have had our day and while there is still a place for us the future lies in attracting a different kind of fan base. The fans of the future may be like us in that they want a good day out but, unlike some of us disenchanted old timers today, they don't feel the need to be part of a club. www.kentucky.com/2014/10/11/3475798/kentucky-fans-bring-it-for-ulm.htmlReally great post and sums it up very well how it is. It's such a shame that there is no real foundation is being laid. I really enjoyed reading that. Oh, by the way, I take it you mean the club in the West end was in Soho, right ?
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Oct 18, 2014 17:43:57 GMT
Post by c13 on Oct 18, 2014 17:43:57 GMT
See what I meant? We lost a game and suddenly the forum's all hot and bustling with movement. Not surprised at all.
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Oct 18, 2014 17:51:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 17:51:43 GMT
See what I meant? We lost a game and suddenly the forum's all hot and bustling with movement. Not surprised at all. You call this 'hot and bustling with movement'? Try Mumbai. it all seems pretty moderate to me. Reflection on whether the 'run' misrepresented general performance, plus discussion re an ongoing need to strengthen the strike force. All roughly in line with what's gone before. I think what some people are missing is gung ho orgasms re recent wins and the brightness of the future, whereas most of us think that level of awesomeness hasn't yet been reached.
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Oct 18, 2014 17:52:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 17:52:30 GMT
See what I meant? We lost a game and suddenly the forum's all hot and bustling with movement. Not surprised at all. All very predictable i feel
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Oct 18, 2014 18:07:16 GMT
Post by c13 on Oct 18, 2014 18:07:16 GMT
See what I meant? We lost a game and suddenly the forum's all hot and bustling with movement. Not surprised at all. You call this 'hot and bustling with movement'? Try Mumbai. it all seems pretty moderate to me. Reflection on whether the 'run' misrepresented general performance, plus discussion re an ongoing need to strengthen the strike force. All roughly in line with what's gone before. I think what some people are missing is gung ho orgasms re recent wins and the brightness of the future, whereas most of us think that level of awesomeness hasn't yet been reached. Of course I was being sarcastic, but the influx of posting is more like the way we were used to back in the post-relegation days I think people need to come more closer to each other with their opinions, the fanbase often splits in two extremes and stay clutched to those extremes with no hope of movement... There's one side that says "we're all good it's just a loss DC is a genius" and other that says "you see I told you this team was s*** sack them all LET'S GO ADMINISTRATION". We see few people capable of taking things from all perspectives and it's sad. I for one have agreed and disagreed with both sides and try at best to stand in the middle. Whilst I think our team right now is not the selection of wasters some people seem to think they are, and that DC is making a hell of a job considering the resources (both human and financial - remember our budget may be "large" but we're debt-ridden) he has, I also think we're very lacking in terms of striking force AND creativity - I said in another topic that we seem to be OK with Lee Mansell being our playmaker and it's not right - and we need to add depth to our squad come December. That being said, promotion for us is an obligation as well as a very real possibility considering the overall form and the level of the teams.
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Oct 18, 2014 18:15:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:15:52 GMT
You call this 'hot and bustling with movement'? Try Mumbai. it all seems pretty moderate to me. Reflection on whether the 'run' misrepresented general performance, plus discussion re an ongoing need to strengthen the strike force. All roughly in line with what's gone before. I think what some people are missing is gung ho orgasms re recent wins and the brightness of the future, whereas most of us think that level of awesomeness hasn't yet been reached. Of course I was being sarcastic, but the influx of posting is more like the way we were used to back in the post-relegation days I think people need to come more closer to each other with their opinions, the fanbase often splits in two extremes and stay clutched to those extremes with no hope of movement... There's one side that says "we're all good it's just a loss DC is a genius" and other that says "you see I told you this team was s*** sack them all LET'S GO ADMINISTRATION". We see few people capable of taking things from all perspectives and it's sad. I for one have agreed and disagreed with both sides and try at best to stand in the middle. Whilst I think our team right now is not the selection of wasters some people seem to think they are, and that DC is making a hell of a job considering the resources (both human and financial - remember our budget may be "large" but we're debt-ridden) he has, I also think we're very lacking in terms of striking force AND creativity - I said in another topic that we seem to be OK with Lee Mansell being our playmaker and it's not right - and we need to add depth to our squad come December. That being said, promotion for us is an obligation as well as a very real possibility considering the overall form and the level of the teams. Higgs has said that almost all of the debt is internal, so unless the people who have had to put that money in to cover their own mistakes are charging interest and having that interest paid, then the debt won't affect the playing budget, will it?
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Oct 18, 2014 18:17:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:17:10 GMT
I imagine the limits on the budget are more of the 'we spend what we can within our means' nature rather than because we're servicing debts to the major shareholders
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Oct 18, 2014 18:20:49 GMT
Post by c13 on Oct 18, 2014 18:20:49 GMT
Of course I was being sarcastic, but the influx of posting is more like the way we were used to back in the post-relegation days I think people need to come more closer to each other with their opinions, the fanbase often splits in two extremes and stay clutched to those extremes with no hope of movement... There's one side that says "we're all good it's just a loss DC is a genius" and other that says "you see I told you this team was s*** sack them all LET'S GO ADMINISTRATION". We see few people capable of taking things from all perspectives and it's sad. I for one have agreed and disagreed with both sides and try at best to stand in the middle. Whilst I think our team right now is not the selection of wasters some people seem to think they are, and that DC is making a hell of a job considering the resources (both human and financial - remember our budget may be "large" but we're debt-ridden) he has, I also think we're very lacking in terms of striking force AND creativity - I said in another topic that we seem to be OK with Lee Mansell being our playmaker and it's not right - and we need to add depth to our squad come December. That being said, promotion for us is an obligation as well as a very real possibility considering the overall form and the level of the teams. Higgs has said that almost all of the debt is internal, so unless the people who have had to put that money in to cover their own mistakes are charging interest and having that interest paid, then the debt won't affect the playing budget, will it? I don't think he really meant it when he said that, we all know how them "Chairman Reports" come across. Maybe to deal with the debts faster he had to cut the budget? Of course, that's just me speculating and I could be horribly wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me that we have a budget as large as he and Clarke tell us we have.
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Oct 18, 2014 18:28:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:28:55 GMT
Higgs has said that almost all of the debt is internal, so unless the people who have had to put that money in to cover their own mistakes are charging interest and having that interest paid, then the debt won't affect the playing budget, will it? I don't think he really meant it when he said that, we all know how them "Chairman Reports" come across. Maybe to deal with the debts faster he had to cut the budget? Of course, that's just me speculating and I could be horribly wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me that we have a budget as large as he and Clarke tell us we have. Nothing to do with Higgs' reports, he said in a TV interview and repeated again to Twentyman that almost all of the debt was now internal. I'm not sure that there has been any effort to pay down loans, I think that they had rather hoped that Sainsbury's would arrive with a wheelbarrow full of cash to give them back the money they have managed to lose? How big did Higgs and Clarke say the playing budget was?
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Oct 18, 2014 18:51:31 GMT
Post by c13 on Oct 18, 2014 18:51:31 GMT
I don't think he really meant it when he said that, we all know how them "Chairman Reports" come across. Maybe to deal with the debts faster he had to cut the budget? Of course, that's just me speculating and I could be horribly wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me that we have a budget as large as he and Clarke tell us we have. Nothing to do with Higgs' reports, he said in a TV interview and repeated again to Twentyman that almost all of the debt was now internal. I'm not sure that there has been any effort to pay down loans, I think that they had rather hoped that Sainsbury's would arrive with a wheelbarrow full of cash to give them back the money they have managed to lose? How big did Higgs and Clarke say the playing budget was? No exact terms but Clarke did say, I don't remember where now, that it was League 2 standard. What I find strange is some people say that FGR has a larger budget than us and they can't possibly be that rich, can they?
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Oct 18, 2014 18:56:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:56:15 GMT
Nothing to do with Higgs' reports, he said in a TV interview and repeated again to Twentyman that almost all of the debt was now internal. I'm not sure that there has been any effort to pay down loans, I think that they had rather hoped that Sainsbury's would arrive with a wheelbarrow full of cash to give them back the money they have managed to lose? How big did Higgs and Clarke say the playing budget was? No exact terms but Clarke did say, I don't remember where now, that it was League 2 standard. What I find strange is some people say that FGR has a larger budget than us and they can't possibly be that rich, can they? Their owner is
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Oct 18, 2014 19:00:55 GMT
Post by timothyq on Oct 18, 2014 19:00:55 GMT
Of course I was being sarcastic, but the influx of posting is more like the way we were used to back in the post-relegation days I think people need to come more closer to each other with their opinions, the fanbase often splits in two extremes and stay clutched to those extremes with no hope of movement... There's one side that says "we're all good it's just a loss DC is a genius" and other that says "you see I told you this team was s*** sack them all LET'S GO ADMINISTRATION". We see few people capable of taking things from all perspectives and it's sad. I for one have agreed and disagreed with both sides and try at best to stand in the middle. Whilst I think our team right now is not the selection of wasters some people seem to think they are, and that DC is making a hell of a job considering the resources (both human and financial - remember our budget may be "large" but we're debt-ridden) he has, I also think we're very lacking in terms of striking force AND creativity - I said in another topic that we seem to be OK with Lee Mansell being our playmaker and it's not right - and we need to add depth to our squad come December. That being said, promotion for us is an obligation as well as a very real possibility considering the overall form and the level of the teams. Higgs has said that almost all of the debt is internal, so unless the people who have had to put that money in to cover their own mistakes are charging interest and having that interest paid, then the debt won't affect the playing budget, will it? It still restricts our ability to raise capital, so whilst the debt isn't a crippling burden it is still a significant issue and will take its toll on the finances (I believe... I'm no expert). Re the general point about bad results mobilising the outrage brigade, to be fair, a lot of people have views on us finding ourselves in the conference, and these will come to the surface after bad losses. I remember when we went down a huge amount of discussion was dedicated to FGR, so even though we're having a pretty good season, losing to FGR really does bring home where we are and the long journey we have to get back to where we were.
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Oct 19, 2014 11:41:00 GMT
Post by Bristol Rovers on Oct 19, 2014 11:41:00 GMT
LOL, Barf......
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