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Post by clockendgas on Oct 8, 2014 15:30:59 GMT
Just out of interest, did that lovely chap at ashton get charged for shouting abuse at ellis? maybe the comments were taken the wrong way or maybe just the drink talking, if not im sorry to hear it shouted as we have had some great black players, maybe the person who shouted will get their chance to explain what they said, just young and stupid i hope.
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Post by michaelb on Oct 8, 2014 15:42:41 GMT
How awful, it would appear as you suggest this sort of thing follows him around, and yet i can honestly say i can't remember the last time I heard a racist comment at a football match or anywhere else ! it does make me suspicious, esp in light that this person was supposedly stood next to a steward who chose not to do anything, and no witnesses coming forward as far as I'm aware.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 8, 2014 16:01:04 GMT
If I could delete my earlier posts I would as I didn't appreciate the gravity of the situation. As confectionery goes, maltesers are right down there with liquorice all sorts. I think the keeper had every right to be outraged. My ginger acquaintance is often likened to a carrot. At least a carrot is a rich source of vitamin A. What was actually shouted at the GK? No one has actually said, for all the debate about it and people around at the time. From 3 hours ago . . .
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 8, 2014 16:53:11 GMT
There is a big difference between throwing out the n-bomb and saying he looks like a malteser.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 8, 2014 16:53:58 GMT
Shame Neil Trotman wasn't within earshot. How I'd love to see the big man pick up the scumbag & slam his face into the concrete. So you advocate a player attacking a fan and slamming his face into the concrete but according to your previous posts fans who invade pitch deserve jail sentences what would happen to him 3/4years for Gbh double standards in my view I have never said pitch invaders deserve jail sentences. Nice try though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:54:45 GMT
Well thats put the lid on that one then. The bloke has an agenda and does more harm than good. Clarke Carlisle he is not. There is one decent guy who this chap should look up to and respect. My humble only of course.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 8, 2014 17:10:48 GMT
Just a point but how come HTV can show action from the game last night as their lead story but we are told at other times they can't show any highlights because they don't have the "rights". Not defending what is alleged to happen but just curious on the seemingly double standards with the highlights
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Post by Wreckless on Oct 8, 2014 17:32:58 GMT
ITV London News has just devoted 5 minutes to this.
Goalie has been on complaining that the game wasn't stopped. Apparently he has previously considered giving up the game because of abuse received. The person concerned was standing next to a Steward who took no action.
"Kick it Out" Man brought in to say that the correct procedures should have been followed. He was actually quite sensible.
Lady Interviewer deeply concerned and very supportive.
Apparently there were many witnesses to the deed among the BRFC supporters - implying guilt by association.
I have no idea what happened - wasn't there - but the person concerned, BRFC (supporters and the club) have been judged by the media and found guilty.
No doubt the authorities will need to be seen to do something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:35:06 GMT
Well thats put the lid on that one then. The bloke has an agenda and does more harm than good. Clarke Carlisle he is not. There is one decent guy who this chap should look up to and respect. My humble only of course. It's done nothing of the sort
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Post by timothyq on Oct 8, 2014 17:37:58 GMT
Just a point but how come HTV can show action from the game last night as their lead story but we are told at other times they can't show any highlights because they don't have the "rights". Not defending what is alleged to happen but just curious on the seemingly double standards with the highlights If I had to guess I would say that there is a public interest in reporting the racism story which overrides the exclusivity rights in the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:39:48 GMT
Can't see this ending up in a points reduction for us as it would set a precedent and ergo 1 fan could attend any clubs game,shout out racist obscenities at a player and get the team they are seen to be 'supporting' a similar punishment.The person involved needs to man up and get down the nearest nick sharpish and make his statement.No excuse if the allegation is proved or admitted and the club has to stick by what they have said ie a lifetime ban.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:47:01 GMT
Well thats put the lid on that one then. The bloke has an agenda and does more harm than good. Clarke Carlisle he is not. There is one decent guy who this chap should look up to and respect. My humble only of course. It's done nothing of the sort Ok then Gandy but the plot thickens. After listening to Browns interview just now,he said he was racially abused and `turned around` to see the said person standing next to a steward! He has eyes in the back of his head? We are all going by what is hearsay really so until the person comes out and says what he actually said then we will never know.
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Post by mantagas on Oct 8, 2014 17:55:18 GMT
ITV west country asked Screen Soccer if they could have coverage of the game because of the "racist" incident, Screen Soccer asked the club & they agreed that ITV west could have the DVD of the game. Torquay Utd's match day coverage is given to BBC spotlight SW who are based at Plymouth & their club coverage of goals is usually shown on there Monday evening local news programme. This gives Torquay valuable exposure & assists in getting/retaining sponsors. The footage of BRFC's home games is "filmed" by Screen Soccer & if BRFC wished could be provided to ITV, BBC or the new Bristol Channel about to launch tonight however at the moment the club don't supply the footage to any of those companies. Screen Soccer cannot supply the footage without BRFC's agreement & i believe there is some debate/confusion as to what the club can release legally to local TV stations without causing a problem. IMO BT own the rights to live conference games only, the conference do not hold tv rights over what is supplied to local TV stations or you tube hence why Torquay supply their coverage & other conference teams put their coverage on You Tube e.g. Eastliegh, Altrincham,Lincoln, Wrexham etc. Now we are in the conference & are the "forgotten men" BRFC need as much exposure as possible, its a shame that the club does not seem to have grasped that yet. Screen Soccer have been providing the coverage for 25 years & it seems a shame that their excellent two camera plus commentary coverage isn't being broadcast to the widest possible audience.
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Post by zfc on Oct 8, 2014 18:00:15 GMT
Racism, Sexism and Homophobia have been put on a pedastool and are deemed far more severe than any other form of abuse! Why is that? Slavery, the Holocaust, massive societal prejudice against homosexuals, and massive imbalances in opportunity against women, massive imbalance in crimes by men against women, are the big, obvious ones, but pretty much most of recent history in regard to homophobia. You have just described perfectly just some of the prejudices that exist in modern day moderate Islam.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 18:00:52 GMT
The problem is primarily fiction. The day a ginger keeper can eject people for racism is the day I'll buy its about equality and not about self hating liberals with cowardly views. People need to grow up, its just words. If your arguing for arresting folk for words, please piss off to Nazi Germany or soviet east Germany where you belong. Authoritarians are authoritarians whether it's Jews, black people or white people having their feeling specially protected by law. Unfortunately the media have a grip on this and have pulled in the "punish him severely" mob on a different side. It's ironic that the anti racists are even more despotic and nasty than racists these days. Enjoy your pious feeling of righteous anger. Racism is a fiction? I'm ginger and I was stood at AFC Wimbledon last season as the linesman got untold amounts of flak and abuse based on his hair colour. I didn't care much. Why? Because now and historically political and systemic prejudice toward gingers doesn't exist. it doesn't define my history (my skin colour does) or my chances of success in life. If racism was expressed toward a black linesman I would have had to respond or leave the ground. It looks like a black player has come to Rovers and had his race called out as a reason for abuse by a member of our crowd. TBH I'd rather we lost than hear that. See it's not just words - it a reflects a deeper attitude and hate and that's why players respond in that way. Or should they just take it like they were told to in the 80s? Ginger hair does define my history,we've been oppressed by the Germanic ba*tards for hundreds of years.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 8, 2014 18:06:10 GMT
Racism is a fiction? I'm ginger and I was stood at AFC Wimbledon last season as the linesman got untold amounts of flak and abuse based on his hair colour. I didn't care much. Why? Because now and historically political and systemic prejudice toward gingers doesn't exist. it doesn't define my history (my skin colour does) or my chances of success in life. If racism was expressed toward a black linesman I would have had to respond or leave the ground. It looks like a black player has come to Rovers and had his race called out as a reason for abuse by a member of our crowd. TBH I'd rather we lost than hear that. See it's not just words - it a reflects a deeper attitude and hate and that's why players respond in that way. Or should they just take it like they were told to in the 80s? Ginger hair does define my history,we've been oppressed by the Germanic ba*tards for hundreds of years. Are you taking this seriously, gas1234?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 18:16:27 GMT
Ginger hair does define my history,we've been oppressed by the Germanic ba*tards for hundreds of years. Are you taking this seriously, gas1234? Lol, there might have been a hint of irony there mate.
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 8, 2014 18:23:59 GMT
Come on mate, even the Germans wouldn't stoop to confectionery abuse! If the BEP comment is true, their keeper is a tosser who has probably done his cause more harm than good. As are those on both forums who have been laying into anyone who isn't unequivocaly outraged. Can we not agree that racism is unacceptable but, in the 21st century and on a case by case basis, the target does not necessarily suffer any more than the victims of other forms of bullying?
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Post by brizzle on Oct 8, 2014 18:26:28 GMT
Are you taking this seriously, gas1234? Lol, there might have been a hint of irony there mate. Tut tut. You may well be on the slippery slopes already gas1234, and you know where that will take you . . . don't you? As*ton G*te, maybe?
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Post by zfc on Oct 8, 2014 18:34:16 GMT
Come on mate, even the Germans wouldn't stoop to confectionery abuse! If the BEP comment is true, their keeper is a tosser who has probably done his cause more harm than good. As are those on both forums who have been laying into anyone who isn't unequivocaly outraged. Can we not agree that racism is unacceptable but, in the 21st century and on a case by case basis, the target does not necessarily suffer any more than the victims of other forms of bullying? Tin hat on bluebeard,some people are very outraged about this as they have been brainwashed over a number of years to be outraged about things like this.They wont be outraged about black on black knife crime or black on white racism or muslim on white racism as they have been brainwashed to see any racism against whites as acceptable and deserved.
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