BS3 Gas
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Post by BS3 Gas on Sept 12, 2014 15:11:16 GMT
So let me make sure I understand this correctly...
There was a pitch invasion in which there was no actual fighting until the police got involved, which then caused fighting both ways. There has been a report in the local bog roll paper which states someone was sentenced to prison for being involved in swearing and running on the pitch, and there are actually sane minded Rovers fans that are condoning these sentences? I for one witnessed the scenes at The Mem on that fateful day, and I certainly don't think any warranted prison sentences. I know two of the people appearing in court this week and one of them is a first time offender, so I guess he should rot in prison then? I guess I am also a bad person for even knowing who they are? Emotions ran higher on that day than they have for a very long time, possibly ever. It's football, we're a big club we have more fans than a lot of the clubs we played last year so those figures posted earlier are almost irrelevant, but of course not completely.
If there were fans from both sides fighting on the pitch then I'd not be writing this post, but to condone prison sentences for shouting and swearing is quite frankly crazy. We're talking about possibly ruining someones life and career through a moment of high tension madness. It's not like anyone died is it? In fact I'm not sure many got hurt other than by the hands of Avon & Somerset Constabulary. Football is always high tension and very passionate and a relegation from the league is such a huge thing.
Before anyone replies to this with stupid comments no I do not condone violence and I'm not even saying there shouldn't be a punishment but what I AM saying is these sentences of prison and suspended prison sentences are ridiculous. I also don't condone a man attacking a player during a game or pitch invasions, but some people on here obviously have very little else to do other than complain. And people wonder why the admins closed the Current Affairs section? Really?
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dido
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Post by dido on Sept 12, 2014 16:26:55 GMT
The pitch. Don't go on it.
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Post by Rex on Sept 12, 2014 16:32:57 GMT
The pitch. Don't go on it. I wish Darrell had said that to half of the team at Braintree.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Sept 12, 2014 19:38:17 GMT
I've survived 45 years and have managed not to go on a pitch and have not been hit by a baton wielding policeman. A simple rule of thumb and not fool proof admittedly - but worth a go if you're worried about feeling the full force of the law. I also witnessed those scenes - but from the terraces - so couldn't categorically say whether these "victims" deserved what they got or not - but on balance I'm guessing they did. Perhaps when this next happens and we get our long overdue points deduction you'll rethink who the naive Rovers fans are and why running on the pitch is not to be recommended
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Post by aghast on Sept 12, 2014 20:33:41 GMT
The police and government have fought for 30 years to control trouble at football matches, and they seem to have finally put a slightly leaky cap on it. Occasionally things still explode and the authorities crack down hard to show others what will happen if it tries to resurface.
Right or wrong, that is the policy, and I'm sure everyone knows that incidents like Mansfield are no longer tolerated.
Just stay off the pitch.
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Post by dido on Sept 12, 2014 20:54:16 GMT
If you want to go on the pitch, join the police.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 13, 2014 21:55:53 GMT
One name rings a bell there. It's an unusual one and the same as a member of a well known Bristol 'Trip Hop' band, that had a couple of hits in the late 80s. Whether it's the same person though is another thing. I thought exactly the same when i read it. I obviously knew Roni Size and Geoff Barrow are massive gasheads, but never realised he was until I saw him on a programme recently and he had a really smart Gas training top on. sadly pretty sure it must be him. it's a pretty unique name and age is right. very under rated band and producer. LOTS of the bigger names name check them them as a serious influence on them.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Sept 14, 2014 7:14:18 GMT
Just typical of the attitude of the ruling class and their attitude towards working class British.
They literally despise poor British people. They think football fans are aggressive, sun reading bigots. They treat them like animals, criticise football culture. It's macho, its about rivalry and competition, which the social happy clappers hate. It's frightfully rough.
You see this with the way the media hark on about footballers setting bad examples, while disproportionately promoting other sports. Sports that THEY like, with well spoken athletes who went to schools rich enough to buy rowing, cycling or archery equipment. They contrast these athletes to footballers and make out that it's "football culture" they dislike, when it's just poorer, chavvier people they dislike.
The people who run are country are no longer toffs or greedy industrialists, they are social engineers who are obsessed with self hate for the past and want to take it out on the poor. The same poor who fought and died in the wars that got them the empire thAt they now feel guilt for. This is a detour but this attitude is what causes all the ott anti footbAll stuff we hear about.
They protect monsters in Rotherham, Rochdale etc at the expenses of the children of the British working class, and come down hard and heavy on any wrongdoing. Swearing, shouting, fighting. Instant heavy force. Plenty of funding, while they deny them basic freedoms like the right to police protection from criminals.
Sorry to rant but there is more to the heavy handed actions of officials, it's an ingrained discriminatory culture which football fans are on the wrong end of.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Sept 14, 2014 7:29:14 GMT
Just typical of the attitude of the ruling class and their attitude towards working class British. They literally despise poor British people. They think football fans are aggressive, sun reading bigots. They treat them like animals, criticise football culture. It's macho, its about rivalry and competition, which the social happy clappers hate. It's frightfully rough. You see this with the way the media hark on about footballers setting bad examples, while disproportionately promoting other sports. Sports that THEY like, with well spoken athletes who went to schools rich enough to buy rowing, cycling or archery equipment. They contrast these athletes to footballers and make out that it's "football culture" they dislike, when it's just poorer, chavvier people they dislike. The people who run are country are no longer toffs or greedy industrialists, they are social engineers who are obsessed with self hate for the past and want to take it out on the poor. The same poor who fought and died in the wars that got them the empire thAt they now feel guilt for. This is a detour but this attitude is what causes all the ott anti footbAll stuff we hear about. They protect monsters in Rotherham, Rochdale etc at the expenses of the children of the British working class, and come down hard and heavy on any wrongdoing. Swearing, shouting, fighting. Instant heavy force. Plenty of funding, while they deny them basic freedoms like the right to police protection from criminals. Sorry to rant but there is more to the heavy handed actions of officials, it's an ingrained discriminatory culture which football fans are on the wrong end of. Spot on!!! 100% agree
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Sept 14, 2014 7:46:50 GMT
Utter rubbish. This isn't about ruling social classes - it's about complete morons running onto football pitches with intent. Morons who don't care if they spoil it for the decent and significant majority. Morons who bring shame on the club, themselves and their families. I'm not aware of a history of pitch invasions through the 50s and 60s? As a club we cannot put up with this behaviour - pure and simple.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Sept 14, 2014 8:00:58 GMT
Utter rubbish. This isn't about ruling social classes - it's about complete morons running onto football pitches with intent. Morons who don't care if they spoil it for the decent and significant majority. Morons who bring shame on the club, themselves and their families. I'm not aware of a history of pitch invasions through the 50s and 60s? As a club we cannot put up with this behaviour - pure and simple. How did the police act in the riots a few years ago? Was the force as heavy handed as what you see at football matches? Pitch invasions aren't good for the club but the way in which very minor events are blown up as evil acts of terrorism is a symptom of the contempt for white van man.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Sept 14, 2014 8:34:30 GMT
But there is no contempt for white van man? A figure of fun perhaps at worst. There is contempt for football hooligans - for good reason. This isn't a political issue. It's about what is right and what is wrong.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Sept 14, 2014 9:54:54 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it.
People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up.
I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards.
A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc.
As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify.
Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 14, 2014 11:50:33 GMT
What happened to the five or so police offers that kicked and beat the guy on the ground with their batons ? No sympathy for those fans convicted, but watching the unnecessary beating handed out by that group of police officers ( which was photographed, widely reported and witnessed by thousands of people ), I am really amazed and concerned that some action was not taken against them as well. I saw one person pinned down by 5 or 6 police officers, so I'm guessing it's the same one you're referring to. Ask yourself though, why where 5 or 6 police officers trying to pin him down - because he was trying to resist arrest. What had he done wrong? - Run on the pitch (okay not the biggest crime in the world, but still it's well known it's not allowed). - Gone the length of the pitch, with 20 or 30 others, to approach the away fans (whilst I might not agree with it, I can understand the ones that demonstrated against Box 1 - approaching the away fans I can never understand).- Took on the thin line of match-day stewards. Started boxing one of the stewards. Don't forget that these stewards will be Rovers fans. - Lashed out at police and tried to resist arrest for some time, until it took 5 or 6 to get him under control. - I saw police draw batons as a warning, and also saw a photograph in the Bristol Post showing that. - I didn't see any kicking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:06:19 GMT
No the person was on the floor and was repeatedly hit with the batons - certainly not a case of drawing them as a warning, there must be video showing this. There were certainly an element of kicking out as well. Whilst I accept it is hard not to act violently when faced with a hooligan, the police are trained to use reasonable force. I certainly think the officers in question should have been subject to investigation and fully suspect behind closed doors they got a dressing down, but we all know officers close ranks and defend each other in public.
All your points about what the person in question did are very valid, however the punishment for such actions involves being dealt with by a court of law, and certainly does not involve the police handing out a beating. Once the person was on the floor he could easily have been restrained given the fact he was outnumbered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:36:52 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it. People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up. I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards. A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc. As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify. Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing. Its not a political issue. Its just you, someone obviously frustrated with the way society has developed, extrapolating out a minor incident where football fans broke the law and were punished within the limits of those laws into a cause celebre for your own political convictions.
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 13:37:54 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it. People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up. I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards. A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc. As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify. Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing. Agree with that mate. You should change your name - your views aren't controversial at all as far as I can see, unfortunately it's the truth. Some Charlton fans got prison for singing nasty songs with a racial element. Fair enough if words can get you in prison, why aren't people spouting ALL hatred imprisoned? The police let Abu Hamza continue his hatred every Friday night outside Finsbury Park mosque. Other people can walk around with a placard saying "UK you will pay, Bin Laden on his way". Why are the police reluctant to target these people? I would argue allowing this hatred to be spouted on our shores is a real threat to national security and should be treated as such. People running on the pitch deserve punishment (I never said it was right) but not prison - save that for the people who are a real threat to society. Burn a poppy and get a £50 fine. Run on a bit of grass and get jail.
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 13:38:04 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it. People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up. I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards. A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc. As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify. Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing. Agree with that mate. You should change your name - your views aren't controversial at all as far as I can see, unfortunately it's the truth. Some Charlton fans got prison for singing nasty songs with a racial element. Fair enough if words can get you in prison, why aren't people spouting ALL hatred imprisoned? The police let Abu Hamza continue his hatred every Friday night outside Finsbury Park mosque. Other people can walk around with a placard saying "UK you will pay, Bin Laden on his way". Why are the police reluctant to target these people? I would argue allowing this hatred to be spouted on our shores is a real threat to national security and should be treated as such. People running on the pitch deserve punishment (I never said it was right) but not prison - save that for the people who are a real threat to society. Burn a poppy and get a £50 fine. Run on a bit of grass and get jail.
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 13:38:16 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it. People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up. I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards. A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc. As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify. Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing. Agree with that mate. You should change your name - your views aren't controversial at all as far as I can see, unfortunately it's the truth. Some Charlton fans got prison for singing nasty songs with a racial element. Fair enough if words can get you in prison, why aren't people spouting ALL hatred imprisoned? The police let Abu Hamza continue his hatred every Friday night outside Finsbury Park mosque. Other people can walk around with a placard saying "UK you will pay, Bin Laden on his way". Why are the police reluctant to target these people? I would argue allowing this hatred to be spouted on our shores is a real threat to national security and should be treated as such. People running on the pitch deserve punishment (I never said it was right) but not prison - save that for the people who are a real threat to society. Burn a poppy and get a £50 fine. Run on a bit of grass and get jail.
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 13:38:31 GMT
It's pathetic. A team got relegated and reacted with anger at rival fans cheering their demise. Police got involved in a few tustles and that's it. People CONVICTED for threatening words...big deal. Grow up. I would hope older fans from a world which isn't run by teletubby wimpy fools would understand what I'm saying....were in a situation where mere words gets you in jail. It's a horrible, totalitarian world we are edging towards. A few drunk English football fans go on the pitch and have a tussle with aggressive cops: straight in court, banning orders, criminal records etc. As yet, Rotherham council all in jobs, and hundreds of abusers walk free despite plenty willing to testify. Don't tell me this isn't a political issue. The cowardly sods target nice easy football fans while monsters walk free...and football fans are targeted for this as its an almost exclusively British thing. Agree with that mate. You should change your name - your views aren't controversial at all as far as I can see, unfortunately it's the truth. Some Charlton fans got prison for singing nasty songs with a racial element. Fair enough if words can get you in prison, why aren't people spouting ALL hatred imprisoned? The police let Abu Hamza continue his hatred every Friday night outside Finsbury Park mosque. Other people can walk around with a placard saying "UK you will pay, Bin Laden on his way". Why are the police reluctant to target these people? I would argue allowing this hatred to be spouted on our shores is a real threat to national security and should be treated as such. People running on the pitch deserve punishment (I never said it was right) but not prison - save that for the people who are a real threat to society. Burn a poppy and get a £50 fine. Run on a bit of grass and get jail.
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