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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:52:47 GMT
Is "Robert Scott" THE Rob Scott? Hope so, would love to see that nause banned for life. I can hear it now in HMP; "Gather round kids, did i tell you about the time i went to Northampton, they b'stards ran like f**k when i squared up to 'em, caught the gits though, took r mum 3 washes to get their blood out of me stone island gear"
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 11, 2014 18:42:44 GMT
The whole thing is a joke and our justice system is so inconsistent it borders on corrupt. The police are a disgrace as well, going after soft targets such as football fans and motorists while ignoring grooming gangs and real criminals. I went to Basel on Monday and got stopped at the airport and quizzed by Plod for ages, despite being a vetted official member of England Supporters Club. Then in Basel there were a few English coppers on a nice little jolly wandering around like celebrities. At Forest Green there were far too many on duty getting loads of lovely overtime on Bank Holiday pay when there was no real chance of trouble. When there is a chance of something happening (Grimsby at home) they are nowhere to be seen. Police intelligence?! Don't make me laugh, they just want an easy ride. At Ashton they ignored all the City fans on the pitch and turned their batons on us. Prison for going on the pitch?! Fine, but the prisons will be full of football fans from up and down the country when they should be full of people who have committed real offences. The police and judges have their priorities all wrong. There is no consistency at all.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 11, 2014 20:03:07 GMT
The whole thing is a joke and our justice system is so inconsistent it borders on corrupt. The police are a disgrace as well, going after soft targets such as football fans and motorists while ignoring grooming gangs and real criminals. I went to Basel on Monday and got stopped at the airport and quizzed by Plod for ages, despite being a vetted official member of England Supporters Club. Then in Basel there were a few English coppers on a nice little jolly wandering around like celebrities. At Forest Green there were far too many on duty getting loads of lovely overtime on Bank Holiday pay when there was no real chance of trouble. When there is a chance of something happening (Grimsby at home) they are nowhere to be seen. Police intelligence?! Don't make me laugh, they just want an easy ride. At Ashton they ignored all the City fans on the pitch and turned their batons on us. Prison for going on the pitch?! Fine, but the prisons will be full of football fans from up and down the country when they should be full of people who have committed real offences. The police and judges have their priorities all wrong. There is no consistency at all. Spot on Bruno! A 5 year ban and a jail sentence is an absolute disgrace! The law and justice system is as corrupt as the day is long! Where's the consistency? They just make it up as they go along!
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Post by aldershotgas on Sept 11, 2014 20:13:15 GMT
Did the same Judge do anything about the 1,000 1982ers that invaded the pitch this time last year NO. More Rovers fans banned and put away from that day than 1982ers......WHY ?
Incredible then, that they focus on this.....why not concentrate on the 1,000 rather than the 40 or 50 last May or the ONE against Braintree.....typical.....pathetic....and why they are hated........
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Post by GasHeadGaz on Sept 11, 2014 20:16:56 GMT
Did the same Judge do anything about the 1,000 1982ers that invaded the pitch this time last year NO. More Rovers fans banned and put away from that day than 1982ers......WHY ? Incredible then, that they focus on this.....why not concentrate on the 1,000 rather than the 40 or 50 last May or the ONE against Braintree.....typical.....pathetic....and why they are hated........ 2 words, it's easier. It's easier to go after the few instead of the many. That Sue Mountstevens has a lot to answer for.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 11, 2014 20:26:12 GMT
Punching a person in town or punching a person at football should be treated the same. The Law is and always will be a joke. I am not condoning what happened but was it as bad as some of the trouble you get down town? - No but you certainly don't get banned from going down town for years. Attending Football is as much a human right as going down town or going anywhere and IMO should all be treated on the actual offence and not where it took place. The old saying the Law is an ass is certainly true on most things in this country and we seem to treat football related crime relatively worst than murder. I know a guy who was banned from Norwich City Centre between 7-7 for over a year. He didn't care though 'cos he lived in Bristol.
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Post by dickgherkin on Sept 11, 2014 20:52:58 GMT
I think its pretty much undisputed that football related 'crimes' carry an extra tariff, as do those that are committed during riots. Also, there are specific crimes that are only used against football fans or rioters ("adopting an aggressive stance", "not obeying a Section 60 order") that would not be crimes at other times or places.
Whether you think thats right or not (I don't), i don't believe the extra tariffs are up for debate.
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 11, 2014 22:19:06 GMT
What do people not understand....it is a criminal offence to go on a football pitch, it is a criminal offence to use threatening gestures or abusive language to another person in a public place. If we commit any of the above offences how is that the fault of the Police ? There was a huge difference between what happened at the end of the Wycombe game and what happened at the end of the Mansfield game, it shouldn't take that clever a person to work out what it was and the difference in Police approach to it.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 12, 2014 6:00:17 GMT
Dont go on the pitch, dont get in trouble.
Bloody simple.
How did thousands of other angry/upset and the previous week elated Gasheads manage to cope okay
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 12, 2014 10:12:24 GMT
No one to blame but themselves.
Don't go on the pitch, simple dude.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 10:21:49 GMT
I was threatened with arrest for asking to invade Braintree's club shop to buy a mug.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 10:31:23 GMT
Those of you who are crying out for consistency might want to consider what happens if that did actually happen.
What if the footballing authorities really started enforcing the law that says you cannot go onto the pitch, no matter what. So whether it was a celebration as at Wycombe or for aggressive means such as Mansfield, the punishment was the same. And what if that punishment was particularly penal, say a five year ban from football? You'd be the first ones to be wanting the judge to have some wiggle room in their sentencing, hence a less consistent approach.
Don't get me wrong, anomalies in the interpretation of the law have always happened and will always do so. Remember that drunken fan who came on in the Spurs v West Ham game and took a free kick? Pissed up, held up the game and was carted off by stewards? Well he was fined £305 but no banning order was awarded and if you read the judge's comments, they appear to be making too light of it.
Meanwhile at Yeovil eighteen months ago, at the end of the game after the final whistle, a fan came on and ran the whole length of the pitch (to general mirth and hilarity), vaulting the low fence at the end and out the ground. He was caught and now is serving a three year banning order! I think a few people might think that those sentences were the wrong way around somehow. But that's judges discretion for you and although in these cases, they got it wrong, the other end of the spectrum is far worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 11:14:27 GMT
What happened to the five or so police offers that kicked and beat the guy on the ground with their batons ?
No sympathy for those fans convicted, but watching the unnecessary beating handed out by that group of police officers ( which was photographed, widely reported and witnessed by thousands of people ), I am really amazed and concerned that some action was not taken against them as well.
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Post by lockleazer on Sept 12, 2014 11:26:16 GMT
What happened to the five or so police offers that kicked and beat the guy on the ground with their batons ? No sympathy for those fans convicted, but watching the unnecessary beating handed out by that group of police officers ( which was photographed, widely reported and witnessed by thousands of people ), I am really amazed and concerned that some action was not taken against them as well. The female officer that is stood in that 'infamous' picture of the bloke be smashed continuously with batons whilst led on the floor is the football intelligence officer Julie Hayward , she stood by and witnessed it all, her reports of that day would make interesting reading
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Post by LJG on Sept 12, 2014 11:29:00 GMT
What happened to the five or so police offers that kicked and beat the guy on the ground with their batons ? No sympathy for those fans convicted, but watching the unnecessary beating handed out by that group of police officers ( which was photographed, widely reported and witnessed by thousands of people ), I am really amazed and concerned that some action was not taken against them as well. How do you know it was unnecessary? How do you know when they approached him he didn't say "F**k off I've got a knife in my jacket and if you come near me I'll stripe you"which made the police draw batons? You don't, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 11:51:15 GMT
What happened to the five or so police offers that kicked and beat the guy on the ground with their batons ? No sympathy for those fans convicted, but watching the unnecessary beating handed out by that group of police officers ( which was photographed, widely reported and witnessed by thousands of people ), I am really amazed and concerned that some action was not taken against them as well. How do you know it was unnecessary? How do you know when they approached him he didn't say "F**k off I've got a knife in my jacket and if you come near me I'll stripe you"which made the police draw batons? You don't, do you? How do we know he didn't sing Careless Whisper at them? How do we know he didn't thrust his hips in a sexy way at them? THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS AND SCARY.
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Post by Brockworth Gas on Sept 12, 2014 13:01:01 GMT
You're right of course Chewbacca - but on balance which is the more likely in those circumstances? Seriously? Go on the pitch - take your medicine but actually do all the decent Rovers fans a favour and just stay off the pitch and avoid the negative PR and potential sanctions that it may bring the club? Surely that's the better way to avoid being on the end of a PCs baton?
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Post by lockleazer on Sept 12, 2014 13:06:37 GMT
well in my view it seems sense has prevailed in the case of the chap sent down for 6 weeks for threatening lannguage and invading the pitch , he has just had an appeal against the sentance heard and whilst i dont know the full outcome he has been relaesed and will not be going to prison.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 13:32:42 GMT
You're right of course Chewbacca - but on balance which is the more likely in those circumstances? Seriously? Go on the pitch - take your medicine but actually do all the decent Rovers fans a favour and just stay off the pitch and avoid the negative PR and potential sanctions that it may bring the club? Surely that's the better way to avoid being on the end of a PCs baton? I would personally ban someone for singing Careless Whisper, Post-Wham Michael hasn't been the same. Hopefully he can get his s**t together, give Andrew, Pepsi & Shirley a call and get the band together for one last jaunt. Everyone would go home happy then and we may never have such things blighting the club.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 13:59:42 GMT
If a case had been brought against them, or if there had been a police inquiry they would have had a chance to put their side of the case, unfortunately as the incident seems to have been ignored we will never know what was going on in their minds.
I don't have any sympathy for the holigans, however the law does actually apply to the police as well and it is important that they are able to fully explain their actions to maintain the trust of the public. The fact that thousands witnessed what appeared to be police brutality yet there was no inquiry ( or indeed explanation from the force ) should be as big a concern as few meat heads being sent down.
Sadly, there is a confrontational atmosphere at many games where there is a large police presence, the idea we should not challenge they way football games are policed "because the police are always right and what they do is always justified" is very naive.
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