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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 10, 2014 9:31:02 GMT
imho i thought it was a fair crowd after saturdays showing, mid week games difficult for many including myself, with family, work etc, and it aint cheap, well not for my age group, crowds will grow the higher we get up the league, keep behind the team even if the board are clueless. One of the better features last night was that, in general, the moaners and whingers in the crowd either were not there or kept quiet for once. Other than groans at a few misplaced passes, I didn't her the usual vitriol aimed at any of our players (which is what I think DC is referring to). The support wasn't generally loud, but at least it wasn't all negative. I stand in the West Enclosure which is where the more vocal criticism tends to come from. We were helped by the fact that the referee and linesman were so bad that they took all the nasty comments from the West Enclosure, so maybe they copped it instead of our players. i keep my brother, in Leeds, in touch during a game via texts. One of them read something like 'good atmosphere, especially when we had a team and a ref to despise. no regular/organised whinging" having something to unite against was useful. Wrexham were one of the most dirty (and simultaneously wimpy) teams I have ever seen in 25 years of footy. And in the 5th division you get 5th division refs. they have all been bad so far and I don;t normally have a pop at refs.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 10, 2014 9:41:59 GMT
Don't bother judging the game by these stats, it is really not a true reflection. Wrexham would have 2 shots on target from 2 very weak free kicks that dolled up into Mildenhall's hands. A battling performance from Rovers, and despite Wrexham keeping posession better than us, we looked the more threatening overall. Quite correct. Except for mildenhall's miracle save & Tom Lockyear heading one out from under the bar. But obviously the scrambled save by the Wrexham keeper wasn't counted either I'm not sure how accurate the BBC stats are anyway for this level - I can recall more than 6 shots off the top of my head, and I'm sure there were more (the goal; martin hitting the post; Martin shot that hit a defender on the arse; goalmouth scramble in which we had at least 2 shots; Taylor header that went narrowly wide to the right; Parkes header from a corner; Trotman header from a corner that went over; a free kick that hit the wall)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 9:57:07 GMT
Did enjoy the game last night and agree with most of what has been said, but i have to point out that Trotman was outstanding last night and covered for most of the mistakes Parkes made.
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Post by lincolnfan on Sept 10, 2014 9:58:33 GMT
The stats can be remarkably unreliable throughtout the FL league as well as the conference. The feed is provided by PA who use casual staff of an interesting variety to provide these stats - currently on the books are a couple of retired clergymen, a roadsweeper, and at least four police officers. I assume the connection is that they all like football and want a very parsimonious fee for turning out. The PA stats - and therefore the BBC stats - are a shining example of "You get what you pay for." Whether you are familiar with this approach as a club I cannot say.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 10, 2014 10:06:30 GMT
The stats can be remarkably unreliable throughtout the FL league as well as the conference. The feed is provided by PA who use casual staff of an interesting variety to provide these stats - currently on the books are a couple of retired clergymen, a roadsweeper, and at least four police officers. I assume the connection is that they all like football and want a very parsimonious fee for turning out. The PA stats - and therefore the BBC stats - are a shining example of "You get what you pay for." Whether you are familiar with this approach as a club I cannot say. Quite the opposite! We have a shocking recent history, of paying top dollar for absolute dross!
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 10, 2014 10:43:16 GMT
Did enjoy the game last night and agree with most of what has been said, but i have to point out that Trotman was outstanding last night and covered for most of the mistakes Parkes made. UTG unfortunately true. trotman was a total rock, AND had the physicality that this level seems to need. Not sure what is going on with Tom but he's going backwards in his development at the moment.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 10, 2014 10:44:58 GMT
Don't bother judging the game by these stats, it is really not a true reflection. Wrexham would have 2 shots on target from 2 very weak free kicks that dolled up into Mildenhall's hands. A battling performance from Rovers, and despite Wrexham keeping posession better than us, we looked the more threatening overall. Quite correct. Except for mildenhall's miracle save & Tom Lockyear heading one out from under the bar. But obviously the scrambled save by the Wrexham keeper wasn't counted either Sorry, I wasn't ignoring these. What I was saying is that two of Wrexham's shots on target were not in any way troubling - to illustrate that you cannot read much from the bare match stats. My view was that Wrexham were pretty good retaining the ball, without offering as much of a threat as their possession might suggest - they lacked the final ball and couldn't shoot. They also pressed very well, which meant Rovers couldn't hold on to the ball well enough, particularly in the first half and resorted to the long ball from Mildenhall far too often in my opinion. Cunnington and Monkhouse won lots of headers, but we barely got any second ball. However, Rovers actually posed more of a goal threat than Wrexham, particularly from corners. We also looked promising down both flanks, particularly down the left and effort was definitely there from everyone on the field last night.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Sept 10, 2014 10:48:26 GMT
I hope we get Trotman signed up to a longer deal because the short term deal he is on (3 months or 6 months) really needs extending until the end of the season, because i'm sure any scouts watching us will report back that he can easily play League 2 football and come January he could have some teams come in for him. Watching Trotman this season has really highlighted how we have missed a centre half who is dominant in the air in both boxes, if we can Turley in to play at right back, i think a back four of Turley, Lockyer, Trotman & Brown would probably be the best in the Division along with Mildy in goal.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 10, 2014 11:23:11 GMT
I hope we get Trotman signed up to a longer deal because the short term deal he is on (3 months or 6 months) really needs extending until the end of the season, because i'm sure any scouts watching us will report back that he can easily play League 2 football and come January he could have some teams come in for him. Watching Trotman this season has really highlighted how we have missed a centre half who is dominant in the air in both boxes, if we can Turley in to play at right back, i think a back four of Turley, Lockyer, Trotman & Brown would probably be the best in the Division along with Mildy in goal. One thing I like about Trotman is that he knows his limitations and works around them. I don't image he would be all that good in a one-on-one situation, as he's a bit slow to turn, so when he recognises that may happen he either brings across his full back to provide cover, or positions himself so he can pressure the player's first touch. He seems a clever player, who communicates and organises well.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 10, 2014 11:29:36 GMT
I hope we get Trotman signed up to a longer deal because the short term deal he is on (3 months or 6 months) really needs extending until the end of the season, because i'm sure any scouts watching us will report back that he can easily play League 2 football and come January he could have some teams come in for him. Watching Trotman this season has really highlighted how we have missed a centre half who is dominant in the air in both boxes, if we can Turley in to play at right back, i think a back four of Turley, Lockyer, Trotman & Brown would probably be the best in the Division along with Mildy in goal. One thing I like about Trotman is that he knows his limitations and works around them. I don't image he would be all that good in a one-on-one situation, as he's a bit slow to turn, so when he recognises that may happen he either brings across his full back to provide cover, or positions himself so he can pressure the player's first touch. He seems a clever player, who communicates and organises well. and when he clears it, it stays cleared
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Post by Alveston Gas on Sept 10, 2014 11:59:09 GMT
One thing I like about Trotman is that he knows his limitations and works around them. I don't image he would be all that good in a one-on-one situation, as he's a bit slow to turn, so when he recognises that may happen he either brings across his full back to provide cover, or positions himself so he can pressure the player's first touch. He seems a clever player, who communicates and organises well. and when he clears it, it stays cleared My sort of defender who clears it into the next County - but I do think the continually critisism of Tom Parkes is both a little unfair and very unsettling for the lad. He is a better CH than most at this level but like Trotman needs to work out what to do and when to get the most out of his abilities.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 10, 2014 12:03:52 GMT
One thing I like about Trotman is that he knows his limitations and works around them. I don't image he would be all that good in a one-on-one situation, as he's a bit slow to turn, so when he recognises that may happen he either brings across his full back to provide cover, or positions himself so he can pressure the player's first touch. He seems a clever player, who communicates and organises well. and when he clears it, it stays cleared Aye, or back to the keeper - play the way you are facing, keep it simple. A few players could learn from that.
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Post by clockendgas on Sept 10, 2014 12:27:12 GMT
I think the sooner we wake up to the fact that just because a team is part time it does not mean they are rubbish, the easier we will find life in this league. Come the end of the season I fully expect some of the part time teams will finish above plenty of full time clubs ..... Braintree are currently mid-table having won half their games, I full expect them to finish at least mid-table. Yes we should want to beat every team, but the way things go into melt down because we lost to part timers makes little sense. Bath city were part time for both there conference seasons and the first season whipped a few of the top teams, newport, cambridge etc, but they did have hoggy, murrey, russell etc, it was nearly bristol old boys at one time, but i think they were all working and they finished tenth, so please dont expect us to walk away with the top spot. UTG
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Sept 10, 2014 13:42:47 GMT
First live game of the season for me last night and I was quite taken aback by how poor the standard of football was. Trotman looks a good dependable defender and Martin looked a good direct attacker with good corner in him, if a bit let down by his passing. My biggest concern was the centre midfield, or lack of, Mansell and Sinclair seemed to keep disappearing, it was bizarre when we were supposed to have an extra player on the pitch for half an hour. Still 1 point nearer to the playoffs than the drop, now if we could only get an away win we'll probably win the league and Higgs will be appointing himself as chairman of the year, nay decade!
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on Sept 10, 2014 14:01:29 GMT
First time watching from one of the exec boxes last night... may have to go in there more often.
On the game I thought we slightly shaded it on overall play but we didn't look entirely convincing. I thought Cunnington looked strong again in the air and although he is a good out ball, we play it up to him far to often. Bizarrely we knocked it long to Matty Taylor quite a few times as well.
The Halifax game especially showed that we look a lot better team when we get the ball on the floor and play quick short passes with lots of movement (simple football).
If Monkhouse can keep chipping in with a few goals this season then that is going to be a useful addition to the team.
Parkes and Trotman are developing a good partnership and look like they are hardly going to lose anything in the air which is reassuring, as I'm sure we will face aerially bombardment at times this season. I would like to see Parkesy drive on a bit more and look for a short pass instead of hitting it long, I can only assume this is orders from management. In addition to that point I would like to see the central midfielders move towards the back 4 when they've got the ball to give ashort option, as we looked very predictable at times with the long ball. Short simple passing is very basic football and is effective in keeping the ball and making the opposition work for it. Even when Wrexham had 10 men, Browner was in acres of space but no we still went for the long option.
Overall we will take the 3 points and hopefully build on that performance. It was clear the fans and ultimately the players were edgey last night, and with a few more wins and decent performances then that should subside.
Onwards and upwards, and lets play the ball on the floor more often FFS.
UTG
P.s how did Wrexham not score? It looked a certain goal.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 10, 2014 14:35:28 GMT
It was clear the fans and ultimately the players were edgey last night, and with a few more wins and decent performances then that should subside. Yes, that's what DC was referring to in his post-match interview. The Post has a decent summary: www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-boss-Darrell-Clarke-praises/story-22899402-detail/story.html#commentsAlso, links to - Sept 9, 2014 22:08:12 GMT 1 Northville Blue said: We'll keep working hard...put the shutters up in the changing room....ignore what's going on outside. What did he mean, did the interviewer question that comment?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:31:25 GMT
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Post by LJG on Sept 10, 2014 15:44:42 GMT
HEY!!!! Has anyone noticed that the Current Affairs section of the forum has closed? !!!
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 10, 2014 15:47:49 GMT
I can't relax whenever Parkes has the ball at his feet anymore. I swear he thinks he is John Terry, some of the passes be attempts out of the back (when he isn't blasting it up the pitch) are hospital balls and pretty much criminal! Time and time again, he helps put us under unnecessary pressure at the back and Mildenhall ends up tearing his hair out!
I rate Trotman highly, everything that needs to be said has been said above. The lad doesn't lose a 50/50 in the air and cleans up anything that comes his way! I am praying he stays fit, couldn't bare to see McCrystal back in the starting XI! His and Parkes partnership days were numbered after the Altrincham farce.
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Post by brizzle on Sept 10, 2014 15:50:31 GMT
HEY!!!! Has anyone noticed that the Current Affairs section of the forum has closed? !!! Yes, it was pointed out to me quite forcibly by a moderator about 30 minutes ago. Still struggling to understand his post though, but perhaps I'd better zip it before I end up in the proverbial hot water.
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