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Post by aghast on Nov 17, 2024 0:45:15 GMT
Is everything going well on X? If you are a Trump supporter and sympathise with the owner's views you might assume it is. It's certainly very very popular indeed, although of course most of that popularity has, it must be admitted, come from the huge numbers who used it before Musk took over.
BlueSky is currently the #1 app in Apple’s App Store. Oddly enough set up by the now departed head of Twitter, now known as X.
Is this a threat? And why?
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Sky News:
The X exodus - could Bluesky spike spark end of Elon Musk's social media platform?
Even Google appears to trust X less, with one expert telling Sky News the search engine treats X competitor Bluesky as 10 times more important than Elon Musk's platform.
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What a strange thing to say!
PS - I thought I'd write this in an ever so slightly deranged Bas-type style, where I make my point without actually making my point, so I can deny making it if I'm found to be wrong later.😊 It works for him. I hope I've got the style right because I might adopt it!!!
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Post by oldie on Nov 17, 2024 5:11:03 GMT
That last paragraph made me 😂😂
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 6:44:21 GMT
I swear on my father's grave, that I've never heard of Bluesky ( I like the name for gas reasons) before this on here.
Is it a revolution/rebellion platform to go against X..?
If so, I'm all for it...👍
It will fail, I guess because of the Russian's interference and Trump... Im calling it first....☝️ ...But enjoy yourselves anyway.
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 9:08:43 GMT
Bluesky is number one on Google play too. I've still got my foot in both camps, will give bluesky a whirl for a bit but am waiting for a few more accounts I follow to move over. It definitely feels like twitter used to be, no ads and haven't seen any bots, a great start.
Musk has a new toy now and as the advertisers boycott twitter it will continue to shrink and die.
It looks like you can block accounts on bluesky (something Musk removed just before the election) and doesn't appear to be moderated by one freaks preferences.
The kids seem to prefer tiktok and Instagram anyway.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 17, 2024 9:18:25 GMT
Weakling Dem,Woke and Guardian reader types,running away ( possibly on professional psychiatric advice ) , from people with a different point of view than theirs.
Needs the initial wave of those running away,to grow significantly to actually harm X,although it'sa shame they've gone.
Weeds,running away from playing football in the park because a little bit of dog s**t got on their jeans.
Off they go,to Tarquins back garden.
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 10:52:22 GMT
Weakling Dem,Woke and Guardian reader types,running away ( possibly on professional psychiatric advice ) , from people with a different point of view than theirs. Needs the initial wave of those running away,to grow significantly to actually harm X,although it'sa shame they've gone. Weeds,running away from playing football in the park because a little bit of dog s**t got on their jeans. Off they go,to Tarquins back garden. All platforms need rules and sensible moderation, same as here. If I went to a pub with swastikas on the walls and the locals were openly bigoted I'd leave, not to mention the landlord actively encouraging racism and misinformation. Since his takeover in 2022 it's rapidly lost advertisers and users due to these reasons, he also sacked most of the moderation dept and chooses himself what's acceptable content. I'm more than happy to discuss politics with people with opposing views, it's far more interesting than everyone agreeing, but there's a line I draw where I expect some honesty and decency. People wanting to leave are most likely sick of the hate speech, the racism and paid bots. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 17, 2024 10:56:50 GMT
Weakling Dem,Woke and Guardian reader types,running away ( possibly on professional psychiatric advice ) , from people with a different point of view than theirs. Needs the initial wave of those running away,to grow significantly to actually harm X,although it'sa shame they've gone. Weeds,running away from playing football in the park because a little bit of dog s**t got on their jeans. Off they go,to Tarquins back garden. All platforms need rules and sensible moderation, same as here. If I went to a pub with swastikas on the walls and the locals were openly bigoted I'd leave, not to mention the landlord actively encouraging racism and misinformation. Since his takeover in 2022 it's rapidly lost advertisers and users due to these reasons, he also sacked most of the moderation dept and chooses himself what's acceptable content. I'm more than happy to discuss politics with people with opposing views, it's far more interesting than everyone agreeing, but there's a line I draw where I expect some honesty and decency. People wanting to leave are most likely sick of the hate speech, the racism and paid bots. Well yes. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 14:46:21 GMT
Weakling Dem,Woke and Guardian reader types,running away ( possibly on professional psychiatric advice ) , from people with a different point of view than theirs. Needs the initial wave of those running away,to grow significantly to actually harm X,although it'sa shame they've gone. Weeds,running away from playing football in the park because a little bit of dog s**t got on their jeans. Off they go,to Tarquins back garden. All platforms need rules and sensible moderation, same as here. If I went to a pub with swastikas on the walls and the locals were openly bigoted I'd leave, not to mention the landlord actively encouraging racism and misinformation. Since his takeover in 2022 it's rapidly lost advertisers and users due to these reasons, he also sacked most of the moderation dept and chooses himself what's acceptable content. I'm more than happy to discuss politics with people with opposing views, it's far more interesting than everyone agreeing, but there's a line I draw where I expect some honesty and decency. People wanting to leave are most likely sick of the hate speech, the racism and paid bots. Pop up, the problem is what some have been conditioned to believe is now hate speech really is not, but just an different opinion. 20 years ago, legacy media was pretty balanced.But then it became completely woke,PC and clearly left leaning. Ive explained before,my political starting position was left of centre.Now, because I disagree with the radical left I'm classed as far right,which Im not,as some have called me on here This is mirrored on X. When it was twitter anyone that said certain things instantly was banned under hate speech.The left dominated. Now Musk has control, they don't like it and are running off. I'm glad you have kept your toes in both waters.Shouldnt we have the right of freedom of speech? X gives you that, it's just that you don't like the owner of it. That's the core of the issue here. If Musk was had helped Harris win last week,we wouldn't be having this discussion would we.. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 14:53:17 GMT
All platforms need rules and sensible moderation, same as here. If I went to a pub with swastikas on the walls and the locals were openly bigoted I'd leave, not to mention the landlord actively encouraging racism and misinformation. Since his takeover in 2022 it's rapidly lost advertisers and users due to these reasons, he also sacked most of the moderation dept and chooses himself what's acceptable content. I'm more than happy to discuss politics with people with opposing views, it's far more interesting than everyone agreeing, but there's a line I draw where I expect some honesty and decency. People wanting to leave are most likely sick of the hate speech, the racism and paid bots. Pop up, the problem is what some have been conditioned to believe is now hate speech really is not, but just an different opinion. 20 years ago, legacy media was pretty balanced.But then it became completely woke,PC and clearly left leaning. Ive explained before,my political starting position was left of centre.Now, because I disagree with the radical left I'm classed as far right,which Im not,as some have called me on here This is mirrored on X. When it was twitter anyone that said certain things instantly was banned under hate speech.The left dominated. Now Musk has control, they don't like it and are running off. I'm glad you have kept your toes in both waters.Shouldnt we have the right of freedom of speech? X gives you that, it's just that you don't like the owner of it. That's the core of the issue here. If Musk was had helped Harris win last week,we wouldn't be having this discussion would we.. That's incorrect. Racism, hate speech and misinformation. That's got nothing to do with political views or opinions on an owner. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Musk hasn't actively encouraged all of these and if that was the case here, I'd leave here too. I don't care who owns twitter, what I do care about is abuse and dangerous rhetoric |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 15:05:01 GMT
Pop up, the problem is what some have been conditioned to believe is now hate speech really is not, but just an different opinion. 20 years ago, legacy media was pretty balanced.But then it became completely woke,PC and clearly left leaning. Ive explained before,my political starting position was left of centre.Now, because I disagree with the radical left I'm classed as far right,which Im not,as some have called me on here This is mirrored on X. When it was twitter anyone that said certain things instantly was banned under hate speech.The left dominated. Now Musk has control, they don't like it and are running off. I'm glad you have kept your toes in both waters.Shouldnt we have the right of freedom of speech? X gives you that, it's just that you don't like the owner of it. That's the core of the issue here. If Musk was had helped Harris win last week,we wouldn't be having this discussion would we.. That's incorrect. Racism, hate speech and misinformation. That's got nothing to do with political views or opinions on an owner. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Musk hasn't actively encouraged all of these and if that was the case here, I'd leave here too. I don't care who owns twitter, what I do care about is abuse and dangerous rhetoric So calling someone far right or a nazi isn't hate speech? |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 15:23:10 GMT
That's incorrect. Racism, hate speech and misinformation. That's got nothing to do with political views or opinions on an owner. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Musk hasn't actively encouraged all of these and if that was the case here, I'd leave here too. I don't care who owns twitter, what I do care about is abuse and dangerous rhetoric So calling someone far right or a nazi isn't hate speech? It's an interpretation of someone's political leanings, I wouldn't be offended if called a communist or extreme left. It may be incorrect or inaccurate but I don't see it as hate speech. If you need an example, I reported an account on twitter for calling a female a dirty n****r and a monkey, amongst other slurs. The account's profile was a swastika and their content was full of horrendous racism. I received a reply from support saying it didn't breach their community guidelines and that I could block the account instead (I can't, as Musk has changed that too). Prior to Musk taking over, in 2022, that would not be tolerated |
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Post by oldie on Nov 17, 2024 16:31:27 GMT
So calling someone far right or a nazi isn't hate speech? It's an interpretation of someone's political leanings, I wouldn't be offended if called a communist or extreme left. It may be incorrect or inaccurate but I don't see it as hate speech. If you need an example, I reported an account on twitter for calling a female a dirty n****r and a monkey, amongst other slurs. The account's profile was a swastika and their content was full of horrendous racism. I received a reply from support saying it didn't breach their community guidelines and that I could block the account instead (I can't, as Musk has changed that too). Prior to Musk taking over, in 2022, that would not be tolerated Indeed Pop Up. I find it strange that so many cannot grasp this basic concept |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 17:57:44 GMT
So calling someone far right or a nazi isn't hate speech? It's an interpretation of someone's political leanings, I wouldn't be offended if called a communist or extreme left. It may be incorrect or inaccurate but I don't see it as hate speech. If you need an example, I reported an account on twitter for calling a female a dirty n****r and a monkey, amongst other slurs. The account's profile was a swastika and their content was full of horrendous racism. I received a reply from support saying it didn't breach their community guidelines and that I could block the account instead (I can't, as Musk has changed that too). Prior to Musk taking over, in 2022, that would not be tolerated Well I've never been down the blocking someone route so I don't know if that's is true. Shouldn't free speech, also included the ability to express hate speech if the person saying it are willing to accept the consequences? Apart from incitement of violence that is? I don't agree with hate speech in any regard,just asking the question. But where is the line between hate speech, and God's free will? And who gets to choose what hate speech is? I personally don't like being called a nazi ,facist or far right.I take that as hate speech towards myself,yet you disagree. Surely if you look through posts on here, there are many examples of Rovers fans calling city fans all the names under the sun due to being rivals.Should that be stopped? That's hate speech but allowed. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 18:08:03 GMT
It's an interpretation of someone's political leanings, I wouldn't be offended if called a communist or extreme left. It may be incorrect or inaccurate but I don't see it as hate speech. If you need an example, I reported an account on twitter for calling a female a dirty n****r and a monkey, amongst other slurs. The account's profile was a swastika and their content was full of horrendous racism. I received a reply from support saying it didn't breach their community guidelines and that I could block the account instead (I can't, as Musk has changed that too). Prior to Musk taking over, in 2022, that would not be tolerated Well I've never been down the blocking someone route so I don't know if that's is true. Shouldn't free speech, also included the ability to express hate speech if the person saying it are willing to accept the consequences? Apart from incitement of violence that is? I don't agree with hate speech in any regard,just asking the question. But where is the line between hate speech, and God's free will? And who gets to choose what hate speech is? I personally don't like being called a nazi ,facist or far right.I take that as hate speech towards myself,yet you disagree. Surely if you look through posts on here, there are many examples of Rovers fans calling city fans all the names under the sun due to being rivals.Should that be stopped? That's hate speech but allowed. The CPS states: Hate crime: The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of: Race Religion Disability Sexual orientation Transgender identity Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime |
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Post by baldrick on Nov 17, 2024 18:54:12 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 20:50:50 GMT
Well I've never been down the blocking someone route so I don't know if that's is true. Shouldn't free speech, also included the ability to express hate speech if the person saying it are willing to accept the consequences? Apart from incitement of violence that is? I don't agree with hate speech in any regard,just asking the question. But where is the line between hate speech, and God's free will? And who gets to choose what hate speech is? I personally don't like being called a nazi ,facist or far right.I take that as hate speech towards myself,yet you disagree. Surely if you look through posts on here, there are many examples of Rovers fans calling city fans all the names under the sun due to being rivals.Should that be stopped? That's hate speech but allowed. The CPS states: Hate crime: The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of: Race Religion Disability Sexual orientation Transgender identity Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crimeI brought up hate speech, not crimes. For example. If I wanted to say to a Black person A..B..C.. ( Fill in your own gaps there) - shouldn't it be my right to be able to do so if I'm willing to accept the consequences? The terms of what hate crimes are,is dictated by our government,so they can adjust them as they see fit.They could one day say that anyone stating that they hate green thongs, is expressing hate crimes towards green thong wearers.🤨 I know I'm being silly here, but you see my point. There needs to be somewhere that free speech is allowed to be expressed,even if its hateful otherwise we live under a dictatorship and a facist state.MSM doesn't let you.Facebook,you tube and most others don't.Twitter didn't also, but now X does. You may disagree with the result of that, but its needed. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 17, 2024 21:03:53 GMT
The CPS states: Hate crime: The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of: Race Religion Disability Sexual orientation Transgender identity Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crimeI brought up hate speech, not crimes. For example. If I wanted to say to a Black person A..B..C.. ( Fill in your own gaps there) - shouldn't it be my right to be able to do so if I'm willing to accept the consequences? The terms of what hate crimes are,is dictated by our government,so they can adjust them as they see fit.They could one day say that anyone stating that they hate green thongs, is expressing hate crimes towards green thong wearers.🤨 I know I'm being silly here, but you see my point. There needs to be somewhere that free speech is allowed to be expressed,even if its hateful otherwise we live under a dictatorship and a facist state.MSM doesn't let you.Facebook,you tube and most others don't.Twitter didn't also, but now X does. You may disagree with the result of that, but its needed. So when I ask you to explain your views on an economic issue, that's my right under your definition of free speech and not bullying as you claim? |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 17, 2024 21:28:29 GMT
Bluesky in and around our village is......the Trading company name of a guy who does caravan repairs and servicing , and very efficient he is too, does a lot of stuff at the new Hinkley Point site accommodation units
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 21:42:28 GMT
The CPS states: Hate crime: The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of: Race Religion Disability Sexual orientation Transgender identity Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crimeI brought up hate speech, not crimes. For example. If I wanted to say to a Black person A..B..C.. ( Fill in your own gaps there) - shouldn't it be my right to be able to do so if I'm willing to accept the consequences? The terms of what hate crimes are,is dictated by our government,so they can adjust them as they see fit.They could one day say that anyone stating that they hate green thongs, is expressing hate crimes towards green thong wearers.🤨 I know I'm being silly here, but you see my point. There needs to be somewhere that free speech is allowed to be expressed,even if its hateful otherwise we live under a dictatorship and a facist state.MSM doesn't let you.Facebook,you tube and most others don't.Twitter didn't also, but now X does. You may disagree with the result of that, but its needed. Come on ice, that's not gonna work out well is it. Who chooses what's acceptable then, Musk? How about the paedophiles having a platform too, free to express their love of kids? Should the thought police leave them alone too? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 22:37:36 GMT
I brought up hate speech, not crimes. For example. If I wanted to say to a Black person A..B..C.. ( Fill in your own gaps there) - shouldn't it be my right to be able to do so if I'm willing to accept the consequences? The terms of what hate crimes are,is dictated by our government,so they can adjust them as they see fit.They could one day say that anyone stating that they hate green thongs, is expressing hate crimes towards green thong wearers.🤨 I know I'm being silly here, but you see my point. There needs to be somewhere that free speech is allowed to be expressed,even if its hateful otherwise we live under a dictatorship and a facist state.MSM doesn't let you.Facebook,you tube and most others don't.Twitter didn't also, but now X does. You may disagree with the result of that, but its needed. So when I ask you to explain your views on an economic issue, that's my right under your definition of free speech and not bullying as you claim? Yes its free speech to ask, but once I explained my reason why I wouldn't, any normal person would have accepted my response as it was reasonable.However,you then went into hound/insult mode telling me that I didn't understand tariffs even though I never pass previous comment on them. That's why I call you a bully. |
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