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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 22:52:46 GMT
I brought up hate speech, not crimes. For example. If I wanted to say to a Black person A..B..C.. ( Fill in your own gaps there) - shouldn't it be my right to be able to do so if I'm willing to accept the consequences? The terms of what hate crimes are,is dictated by our government,so they can adjust them as they see fit.They could one day say that anyone stating that they hate green thongs, is expressing hate crimes towards green thong wearers.🤨 I know I'm being silly here, but you see my point. There needs to be somewhere that free speech is allowed to be expressed,even if its hateful otherwise we live under a dictatorship and a facist state.MSM doesn't let you.Facebook,you tube and most others don't.Twitter didn't also, but now X does. You may disagree with the result of that, but its needed. Come on ice, that's not gonna work out well is it. Who chooses what's acceptable then, Musk? How about the paedophiles having a platform too, free to express their love of kids? Should the thought police leave them alone too? Now your getting ridiculous. I would like to think everyone on here, just as a small example of social media ( of sorts) would never accept any pro pedo comments, or acceptance of murder/ violence etc.. We would all agree. But when we are in the debate arena of - politics, sport, religion, music, movies....etc , I think it should be an open platform. I never will support hate speech,but to ban its as a free human right is what facists do. Again, the left has had the dominance on ALL the social platforms and media,and still do apart from X. If anyone doesn't like what X now is, or that Musk owns it. Remove yourself. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 22:54:57 GMT
Come on ice, that's not gonna work out well is it. Who chooses what's acceptable then, Musk? How about the paedophiles having a platform too, free to express their love of kids? Should the thought police leave them alone too? Now your getting ridiculous. I would like to think everyone on here, just as a small example of social media ( of sorts) would never accept any pro pedo comments, or acceptance of murder/ violence etc.. We would all agree. But when we are in the debate arena of - politics, sport, religion, music, movies....etc , I think it should he an open platform. I never will support hate speech,but to ban its as a free human right is what facists do. Again, the left has had the dominance on ALL the social platforms and media,and still do apart from X. If anyone doesn't like what X now is, or that Musk owns it. Remove yourself. I'll go when I'm ready ice. If it's Musk that decides what's acceptable, what can and can't be talked about, that's not freedom of speech. It's actually closer to fascism |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 22:57:24 GMT
Now your getting ridiculous. I would like to think everyone on here, just as a small example of social media ( of sorts) would never accept any pro pedo comments, or acceptance of murder/ violence etc.. We would all agree. But when we are in the debate arena of - politics, sport, religion, music, movies....etc , I think it should he an open platform. I never will support hate speech,but to ban its as a free human right is what facists do. Again, the left has had the dominance on ALL the social platforms and media,and still do apart from X. If anyone doesn't like what X now is, or that Musk owns it. Remove yourself. I'll go when I'm ready ice. If it's Musk that decides what's acceptable, what can and can't be talked about, that's not freedom of speech. It's actually closer to fascism Ok,like with sky, BBC, CNN. I gotta ya.. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 23:04:04 GMT
I'll go when I'm ready ice. If it's Musk that decides what's acceptable, what can and can't be talked about, that's not freedom of speech. It's actually closer to fascism Ok,like with sky, BBC, CNN. I gotta ya.. Not at all. If what you want is the right to express racist views then I don't know what I can tell you. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 23:10:35 GMT
Ok,like with sky, BBC, CNN. I gotta ya.. Not at all. If what you want is the right to express racist views then I don't know what I can tell you. I don't want to express racist views, I'm saying that we are all entitled to free expression in a non violent or encouraging violence way. I got banned from Arsechat for calling a Greta Thunderstorm a stupid bitch? Was that right? |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 23:16:38 GMT
Not at all. If what you want is the right to express racist views then I don't know what I can tell you. I don't want to express racist views, I'm saying that we are all entitled to free expression in a non violent or encouraging violence way. I got banned from Arsechat for calling a Greta Thunderstorm a stupid bitch? Was that right? I'm not sure there's a way to air racist views that isn't promoting discrimination or violence. In fact that's a fairly accurate definition of racism. I don't know where you want to go with this but it's not going well |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 17, 2024 23:28:27 GMT
I don't want to express racist views, I'm saying that we are all entitled to free expression in a non violent or encouraging violence way. I got banned from Arsechat for calling a Greta Thunderstorm a stupid bitch? Was that right? I'm not sure there's a way to air racist views that isn't promoting discrimination or violence. In fact that's a fairly accurate definition of racism. I don't know where you want to go with this but it's not going well What about the hateful views expressed by the legacy media calling - Robinson, Farage and Trump, facist nazis? The latter was shot at twice due to this! Is it OK for the media to express lies and hatred? |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 17, 2024 23:37:32 GMT
I'm not sure there's a way to air racist views that isn't promoting discrimination or violence. In fact that's a fairly accurate definition of racism. I don't know where you want to go with this but it's not going well What about the hateful views expressed by the legacy media calling - Robinson, Farage and Trump, facist nazis? The latter was shot at twice due to this! Is it OK for the media to express lies and hatred? Why would calling those three tools those hurty words be worse than calling me or Corbyn or Starmer a communist or a fascist? I don't care. If people call my principles communist then maybe I haven't articulated myself clearly, so what? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 2:00:39 GMT
What about the hateful views expressed by the legacy media calling - Robinson, Farage and Trump, facist nazis? The latter was shot at twice due to this! Is it OK for the media to express lies and hatred? Why would calling those three tools those hurty words be worse than calling me or Corbyn or Starmer a communist or a fascist? I don't care. If people call my principles communist then maybe I haven't articulated myself clearly, so what? Are you a communist? Are you a fascist? I've never called you either,so direct your anger elsewhere. My point is I want freedom of expression,and the freedom to express political discourse without someone that disagrees with me labeling me something that Im not. And this does not happen on here, for example. And in fact, its not happened over the past decade due to the radical left and the MSM...And that why I now proudly stand on the right today - just like many other former left sided individuals such as - RFK Jr, Musk , Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard who were all former Democrats.Even Trump himself.. Twitter was once the lefts propaganda machine, but now Musk controls the wheel you can't take it,as the narrative is not controlled by you, so you now say its full of hate speech now Trump has won. Byebye.....enjoy your jog!🫠 |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 18, 2024 2:17:03 GMT
Why would calling those three tools those hurty words be worse than calling me or Corbyn or Starmer a communist or a fascist? I don't care. If people call my principles communist then maybe I haven't articulated myself clearly, so what? Are you a communist? Are you a fascist? I've never called you either,so direct your anger elsewhere. My point is I want freedom of expression,and the freedom to express political discourse without someone that disagrees with me labeling me something that Im not. And this does not happen on here, for example. And in fact, its not happened over the past decade due to the radical left and the MSM...And that why I now proudly stand on the right today - just like many other former left sided individuals such as - RFK Jr, Musk , Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard who were all former Democrats.Even Trump himself.. Twitter was once the lefts propaganda machine, but now Musk controls the wheel you can't take it,as the narrative is not controlled by you, so you now say its full of hate speech now Trump has won. Byebye.....enjoy your jog!🫠 I'm not angry in the slightest. I've also wanted to leave twitter since Musk began to trash it. That's when the advertisers who didn't want their brands soiled by the stench of the far right began leaving too. You're quite happy to fling labels around like 'extreme left' and 'fascist' when you choose, but if anyone points out that Trump and Musk's behaviour is akin to fascism and tolerant of racism you flip out. Again, it's very cult like and you seem more interested in the appeal of these odd people than what they're actually doing and saying. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 7:05:17 GMT
Are you a communist? Are you a fascist? I've never called you either,so direct your anger elsewhere. My point is I want freedom of expression,and the freedom to express political discourse without someone that disagrees with me labeling me something that Im not. And this does not happen on here, for example. And in fact, its not happened over the past decade due to the radical left and the MSM...And that why I now proudly stand on the right today - just like many other former left sided individuals such as - RFK Jr, Musk , Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard who were all former Democrats.Even Trump himself.. Twitter was once the lefts propaganda machine, but now Musk controls the wheel you can't take it,as the narrative is not controlled by you, so you now say its full of hate speech now Trump has won. Byebye.....enjoy your jog!🫠 I'm not angry in the slightest. I've also wanted to leave twitter since Musk began to trash it. That's when the advertisers who didn't want their brands soiled by the stench of the far right began leaving too. You're quite happy to fling labels around like 'extreme left' and 'fascist' when you choose, but if anyone points out that Trump and Musk's behaviour is akin to fascism and tolerant of racism you flip out. Again, it's very cult like and you seem more interested in the appeal of these odd people than what they're actually doing and saying. What's this advertisers crap about that you keep bringing up? I couldn't care less,and I bet nither does Musk. If Musk - who may I remind you... is richest person on earth, is the Nazi/ Fascist that you claim he is.Why would he give a s**t about this pocket change to him? Again,this is becoming repetitive now.The core of this issue is Musk controls X now.Back when it was Twitter the left did.You lot are now butt hurt and now claiming victim, or screaming in the way you did in the latter part of your post above, as you don't like it,even though your side has being doing the same for a decade until he brought it. Also, where is the evidence of this far right stuff you speak of? x.com/elonmusk/status/1858007852067000351?t=OIZvFM_5adDh6I7roKyFGQ&s=19 |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 18, 2024 8:11:11 GMT
I'm not angry in the slightest. I've also wanted to leave twitter since Musk began to trash it. That's when the advertisers who didn't want their brands soiled by the stench of the far right began leaving too. You're quite happy to fling labels around like 'extreme left' and 'fascist' when you choose, but if anyone points out that Trump and Musk's behaviour is akin to fascism and tolerant of racism you flip out. Again, it's very cult like and you seem more interested in the appeal of these odd people than what they're actually doing and saying. What's this advertisers crap about that you keep bringing up? I couldn't care less,and I bet nither does Musk. If Musk - who may I remind you... is richest person on earth, is the Nazi/ Fascist that you claim he is.Why would he give a s**t about this pocket change to him? Again,this is becoming repetitive now.The core of this issue is Musk controls X now.Back when it was Twitter the left did.You lot are now butt hurt and now claiming victim, or screaming in the way you did in the latter part of your post above, as you don't like it,even though your side has being doing the same for a decade until he brought it. Also, where is the evidence of this far right stuff you speak of? I wasn't screaming, was pointing out the reason advertisers are leaving was due to the awful content he allows. He may not care, I don't care whether he cares or not, but he did try to sue them for leaving. This is futile, and also boring. You seem to have been arguing for the right to air racist views, as if twitter is some sort of progressive free thinking platform thanks to Musk. If you hate racism like you've previously said, none of that makes any sense. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 8:28:16 GMT
What's this advertisers crap about that you keep bringing up? I couldn't care less,and I bet nither does Musk. If Musk - who may I remind you... is richest person on earth, is the Nazi/ Fascist that you claim he is.Why would he give a s**t about this pocket change to him? Again,this is becoming repetitive now.The core of this issue is Musk controls X now.Back when it was Twitter the left did.You lot are now butt hurt and now claiming victim, or screaming in the way you did in the latter part of your post above, as you don't like it,even though your side has being doing the same for a decade until he brought it. Also, where is the evidence of this far right stuff you speak of? I wasn't screaming, was pointing out the reason advertisers are leaving was due to the awful content he allows. He may not care, I don't care whether he cares or not, but he did try to sue them for leaving. This is futile, and also boring. You seem to have been arguing for the right to air racist views, as if twitter is some sort of progressive free thinking platform thanks to Musk. If you hate racism like you've previously said, none of that makes any sense. Don't come out with that rubbish.And don't try to take the moral highground. I'm pro free speech, including hate speech - as if you take away that, then you take away all speech and are controlled = fascism! If someone says I hate white people...They have the right to.But if they said I'm going to go kill white people,then that a verbal contract to commit potential violence, and that person needs to deal with the consequences of their words via the law. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 18, 2024 8:41:08 GMT
Don't come out with that rubbish.And don't try to take the moral highground. I'm pro free speech, including hate speech - as if you take away that, then you take away all speech and are controlled = fascism! If someone says I hate white people...They have the right to.But if they said I'm going to go kill white people,then that a verbal contract to commit potential violence, and that person needs to deal with the consequences of their words via the law. So freedom to be racist then, got you. How about the pedos though, don't they have rights too? Could they just talk about their interests rather than what they'd like to do? Who decides this btw, is it Musk again? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 18, 2024 8:49:29 GMT
I'm not sure there's a way to air racist views that isn't promoting discrimination or violence. In fact that's a fairly accurate definition of racism. I don't know where you want to go with this but it's not going well What about the hateful views expressed by the legacy media calling - Robinson, Farage and Trump, facist nazis? The latter was shot at twice due to this! Is it OK for the media to express lies and hatred? Which media outlets call them fascists and nazis? Certainly not the mainstream. Their views fall on the far right of the political spectrum which was devised eons ago. Trump was shot at by people who expressed Republican views... Whilst you may not have called people on here communists, there are those who do it constantly and anyone who expresses a view left of Farage is a commie. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 10:22:28 GMT
What about the hateful views expressed by the legacy media calling - Robinson, Farage and Trump, facist nazis? The latter was shot at twice due to this! Is it OK for the media to express lies and hatred? Which media outlets call them fascists and nazis? Certainly not the mainstream. Their views fall on the far right of the political spectrum which was devised eons ago. Trump was shot at by people who expressed Republican views... Whilst you may not have called people on here communists, there are those who do it constantly and anyone who expresses a view left of Farage is a commie. You are joking there Cheshire? The MSM have daily called Trump the new Hitler. Robinson also. |
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Post by baldrick on Nov 18, 2024 10:46:34 GMT
Which media outlets call them fascists and nazis? Certainly not the mainstream. Their views fall on the far right of the political spectrum which was devised eons ago. Trump was shot at by people who expressed Republican views... Whilst you may not have called people on here communists, there are those who do it constantly and anyone who expresses a view left of Farage is a commie. You are joking there Cheshire? The MSM have daily called Trump the new Hitler. Robinson also. Thought you didn't watch MSM? I do, and I don't recall that. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 18, 2024 13:43:17 GMT
Which media outlets call them fascists and nazis? Certainly not the mainstream. Their views fall on the far right of the political spectrum which was devised eons ago. Trump was shot at by people who expressed Republican views... Whilst you may not have called people on here communists, there are those who do it constantly and anyone who expresses a view left of Farage is a commie. You are joking there Cheshire? The MSM have daily called Trump the new Hitler. Robinson also. MSM = Mainstream Media I can find no examples of mainstream media outlets calling Trump or Robinson Hitler. Sorry please can you provide examples buddy as I cannot find any at all. What I did find is that Trump said that Harris can called him Hitler which turned out to be untrue. Both Trump and Johnson when he was PM accused the opposition of doing exactly what they did themselves...... |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 21:40:09 GMT
You are joking there Cheshire? The MSM have daily called Trump the new Hitler. Robinson also. MSM = Mainstream Media I can find no examples of mainstream media outlets calling Trump or Robinson Hitler. Sorry please can you provide examples buddy as I cannot find any at all. What I did find is that Trump said that Harris can called him Hitler which turned out to be untrue. Both Trump and Johnson when he was PM accused the opposition of doing exactly what they did themselves...... That's after a 1 min copy and past on You Tube.If I invest more time I properly could find another 50 of them which were more recent. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 18, 2024 21:42:18 GMT
Don't come out with that rubbish.And don't try to take the moral highground. I'm pro free speech, including hate speech - as if you take away that, then you take away all speech and are controlled = fascism! If someone says I hate white people...They have the right to.But if they said I'm going to go kill white people,then that a verbal contract to commit potential violence, and that person needs to deal with the consequences of their words via the law. So freedom to be racist then, got you. How about the pedos though, don't they have rights too? Could they just talk about their interests rather than what they'd like to do? Who decides this btw, is it Musk again? What have you got me on?😅 |
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