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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 12, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
Trying to political point score based on one case of rape is disgusting. Look in the mirror, if it will allow you to! Stating a fact is not point scoring. It's a fact. The fact you are attempting to 'score points' using this issue is rather deplorable. For your own sake, give it a rest. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 12, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
Has medical science,criminal science ( whomever the appropriate science ) made much advancement as to why some adults are attracted sexually to pre pubescent children?
This is surely what is needed,a scientific understanding.
Then maybe a medicine/drug could be created to stop these urges.
I mean apart from chemical castration.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 12, 2024 10:23:54 GMT
I would punish any pedophile the same as each other,regardless of what the piece of s**ts religious faith, or lack of it is. I said on another thread earlier about my father's suicide in 2009. One of the issues I've found out after his death,which I didn't know before was that my father was a war baby and put into a Catholic children's home in Bath where he was raped and abused for years as a child. I know now for a fact, after speaking to family members that this haunted him for the rest of his life even though he never told me about it.Pedophiles are the ultimate evil, regardless of their faith. So sad to hear of your father's suicide Ice, my grandfather also took his own life in 1948 and it had a lasting affect n my father who was 13 at the time. One of the things I have learnt over the years is that the abuse stays with people all of their life, and many end their life because of it, especially when the perpetrators are never punished. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 10:24:24 GMT
Stating a fact is not point scoring. It's a fact. The fact you are attempting to 'score points' using this issue is rather deplorable. For your own sake, give it a rest. That's your viewpoint |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 10:29:07 GMT
I would punish any pedophile the same as each other,regardless of what the piece of s**ts religious faith, or lack of it is. I said on another thread earlier about my father's suicide in 2009. One of the issues I've found out after his death,which I didn't know before was that my father was a war baby and put into a Catholic children's home in Bath where he was raped and abused for years as a child. I know now for a fact, after speaking to family members that this haunted him for the rest of his life even though he never told me about it.Pedophiles are the ultimate evil, regardless of their faith. So sad to hear of your father's suicide Ice, my grandfather also took his own life in 1948 and it had a lasting affect n my father who was 13 at the time. One of the things I have learnt over the years is that the abuse stays with people all of their life, and many end their life because of it, especially when the perpetrators are never punished. As is the case with this psychopath. There was a victim interviewed yesterday who spoke of another victim who attempted to take his own life, failed, but succeeded a number of years later. He spoke passionately, wondered if Welby, the head of the Anglican Church, had openly recognised this problem more transparently and gone to the police (is this a case of perverting the course of justice?) then his acquaintance might still be alive. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 12, 2024 10:30:14 GMT
We should disregard religion from the argument completely, it's not helpful and the only comparable factors are that the religious organisations are more able to conceal and then ignore the allegations. Unfortunately, paedophiles deliberately choose these professions (or any 'trusted' profession with access to children).
Having worked in mental health for over 30 years, I can quite easily state that the single biggest cause of MH issues is abuse/trauma. Perpetrators of sexual abuse have often been abused themselves (which of course doesn't mean that those abused will abuse others).
Sexual abuse of children has always been here, and everywhere, for centuries. The age of consent in England was 12 in 1275 and changed to 13 in 1875.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 12, 2024 10:34:40 GMT
So sad to hear of your father's suicide Ice, my grandfather also took his own life in 1948 and it had a lasting affect n my father who was 13 at the time. One of the things I have learnt over the years is that the abuse stays with people all of their life, and many end their life because of it, especially when the perpetrators are never punished. As is the case with this psychopath. There was a victim interviewed yesterday who spoke of another victim who attempted to take his own life, failed, but succeeded a number of years later. He spoke passionately, wondered if Welby, the head of the Anglican Church, had openly recognised this problem more transparently and gone to the police (is this a case of perverting the course of justice?) then his acquaintance might still be alive. The testimony of anyone who has been abused and can bring themselves to talk about it [which is rare and impressively brave when it happens] is extremely powerful and also heartbreaking. Welsby protects what he thinks is the reputation of his institution, failing to recognise that covering up for these people damages it beyond measure. If he has in any way covered up for this monster then he should be charged, church leader or not! |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 10:37:18 GMT
We should disregard religion from the argument completely, it's not helpful and the only comparable factors are that the religious organisations are more able to conceal and then ignore the allegations. Unfortunately, paedophiles deliberately choose these professions (or any 'trusted' profession with access to children). Having worked in mental health for over 30 years, I can quite easily state that the single biggest cause of MH issues is abuse/trauma. Perpetrators of sexual abuse have often been abused themselves (which of course doesn't mean that those abused will abuse others). Sexual abuse of children has always been here, and everywhere, for centuries. The age of consent in England was 12 in 1275 and changed to 13 in 1875. As always, a well argued point. But I don't think, I don't believe, that is the point in this case. Why is it that institutions, in this case the established church (religion) has so many cases (I take your point about access) and do so little about it. In this case the head of the Anglican Church was aware and did NOT go to the police. He had all the evidence, allegedly. Is there any excuse for that? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 12, 2024 10:38:51 GMT
I would punish any pedophile the same as each other,regardless of what the piece of s**ts religious faith, or lack of it is. I said on another thread earlier about my father's suicide in 2009. One of the issues I've found out after his death,which I didn't know before was that my father was a war baby and put into a Catholic children's home in Bath where he was raped and abused for years as a child. I know now for a fact, after speaking to family members that this haunted him for the rest of his life even though he never told me about it.Pedophiles are the ultimate evil, regardless of their faith. So sad to hear of your father's suicide Ice, my grandfather also took his own life in 1948 and it had a lasting affect n my father who was 13 at the time. One of the things I have learnt over the years is that the abuse stays with people all of their life, and many end their life because of it, especially when the perpetrators are never punished. Thanks, and very true. My father, I got told in his autopsy report, apparently had 5 strokes within the same amount of days without anyone knowing. He suffered from bells palsy, so we couldn't tell. After his death, we found out that he thought he was going to prison as he was self employed, and due his strokes couldn't balance his accounts and dreaded going to prison due to his abuse as a child.. Which he never would have in a million years, as he did nothing wrong, as I had conclude his accounts of his businesses after his death with a solicitor and accountant. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 12, 2024 10:50:43 GMT
We should disregard religion from the argument completely, it's not helpful and the only comparable factors are that the religious organisations are more able to conceal and then ignore the allegations. Unfortunately, paedophiles deliberately choose these professions (or any 'trusted' profession with access to children). Having worked in mental health for over 30 years, I can quite easily state that the single biggest cause of MH issues is abuse/trauma. Perpetrators of sexual abuse have often been abused themselves (which of course doesn't mean that those abused will abuse others). Sexual abuse of children has always been here, and everywhere, for centuries. The age of consent in England was 12 in 1275 and changed to 13 in 1875. As always, a well argued point. But I don't think, I don't believe, that is the point in this case. Why is it that institutions, in this case the established church (religion) has so many cases (I take your point about access) and do so little about it. In this case the head of the Anglican Church was aware and did NOT go to the police. He had all the evidence, allegedly. Is there any excuse for that? Of course no excuse for that. You're probably right, I just needed to get that off my chest. My first 'case' in MH in 1992 was with children abused by adults from the Mormon church, a staggering amount, and that church (just like the others) chose to conceal this rather than bring their faith into disrepute. Btw, it's fairly well established that the virgin Mary was aged between 12 and 16 when Jesus arrived, and there's no specific age of consent in there. It seems that puberty was the 'accepted' norm there. |
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Post by trymer on Nov 12, 2024 11:04:24 GMT
A girl that I was at school with put up an ancient picture of herself wearing a bikini on Weymouth beach...she looked stunning but when I read the caption she was 15 and suddenly I felt awkward looking at the picture.....btw she discovered alcohol and ballooned by the time she was in her 30s so I hope that she wont find any bikini shots from that era...
Abusing children is wrong,it robs them of their childhood and goes on to ruin their adult life too.
On the historical side of things we must remember that having a baby was very dangerous even 100/150 years ago,lots of women died in childbirth and infant mortality was massive,also people didnt have a long life expectancy....so girls got married and had children as soon as they were physically able to...this is no longer the case and I think that the present laws should be upheld.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 12, 2024 11:36:24 GMT
As always, a well argued point. But I don't think, I don't believe, that is the point in this case. Why is it that institutions, in this case the established church (religion) has so many cases (I take your point about access) and do so little about it. In this case the head of the Anglican Church was aware and did NOT go to the police. He had all the evidence, allegedly. Is there any excuse for that? Of course no excuse for that. You're probably right, I just needed to get that off my chest. My first 'case' in MH in 1992 was with children abused by adults from the Mormon church, a staggering amount, and that church (just like the others) chose to conceal this rather than bring their faith into disrepute. Btw, it's fairly well established that the virgin Mary was aged between 12 and 16 when Jesus arrived, and there's no specific age of consent in there. It seems that puberty was the 'accepted' norm there. Just do a quick check on the age of consent in European countries. You'll be surprised! "The age of consent for sex outside of marriage varies by jurisdiction across Europe. The age of consent – hereby meaning the age from which one is deemed able to consent to having sex with anyone else of consenting age or above – varies between 14 and 18. The majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18), and the Vatican City (18), set an age of consent higher than 16." |
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Post by pop up pirate on Nov 12, 2024 12:00:34 GMT
Of course no excuse for that. You're probably right, I just needed to get that off my chest. My first 'case' in MH in 1992 was with children abused by adults from the Mormon church, a staggering amount, and that church (just like the others) chose to conceal this rather than bring their faith into disrepute. Btw, it's fairly well established that the virgin Mary was aged between 12 and 16 when Jesus arrived, and there's no specific age of consent in there. It seems that puberty was the 'accepted' norm there. Just do a quick check on the age of consent in European countries. You'll be surprised! "The age of consent for sex outside of marriage varies by jurisdiction across Europe. The age of consent – hereby meaning the age from which one is deemed able to consent to having sex with anyone else of consenting age or above – varies between 14 and 18. The majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18), and the Vatican City (18), set an age of consent higher than 16." Yeah I was aware it was 14 in many places, too young imo but that might be just me. On another note, I was very surprised to learn that my 13yr old daughter would be able to attend a sexual health clinic for a termination without my knowledge (not that she has thankfully, well as far as I know!) There is apparently laws protecting her from me being informed of anything related to the treatment or of a pregnancy if she chooses. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 12, 2024 15:51:38 GMT
Welby Resigns ,
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 12, 2024 16:01:06 GMT
Disgusting cover up leads to the Arch Bishop of Canterbury resigning. Good riddance. Good bye. Hypocrite.
Pedophiles and people who cover up for pedophiles (the Police, the BBC, the establishment in general) are all filth.
I would be happy to see all perpetrators castrated - regardless of colour, creed, or political persuasion.
And people who are trying to score 'political points' over this. They really need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 16:33:52 GMT
Disgusting cover up leads to the Arch Bishop of Canterbury resigning. Good riddance. Good bye. Hypocrite. Pedophiles and people who cover up for pedophiles (the Police, the BBC, the establishment in general) are all filth. I would be happy to see all perpetrators castrated - regardless of colour, creed, or political persuasion. And people who are trying to score 'political points' over this. They really need to take a long hard look at themselves. Nobody is. It's a topic of discussion |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 16:34:32 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 12, 2024 16:34:58 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 12, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby resigns over Church abuse scandal..by Matt Spivey
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Justin Welby's statement in full:We can bring you the full statement now from Justin Welby, after he moments ago announced his resignation as Archbishop of Canterbury: "Having sought the gracious permission of His Majesty The King, I have decided to resign as Archbishop of Canterbury. "The Makin Review has exposed the long-maintained conspiracy of silence about the heinous abuses of John Smyth. When I was informed in 2013 and told that police had been notified, I believed wrongly that an appropriate resolution would follow. "It is very clear that I must take personal and institutional responsibility for the long and retraumatising period between 2013 and 2024. "It is my duty to honour my constitutional and church responsibilities, so exact timings will be decided once a review of necessary obligations has been completed, including those in England and in the Anglican Communion. "I hope this decision makes clear how seriously the Church of England understands the need for change and our profound commitment to creating a safer church. "As I step down I do so in sorrow with all victims and survivors of abuse. The last few days have renewed my long felt and profound sense of shame at the historic safeguarding failures of the Church of England. "For nearly twelve years I have struggled to introduce improvements. It is for others to judge what has been done. "In the meantime, I will follow through on my commitment to meet victims. I will delegate all my other current responsibilities for safeguarding until the necessary risk assessment process is complete. "I ask everyone to keep my wife Caroline and my children in their prayers. They have been my most important support throughout my ministry, and I am eternally grateful for their sacrifice. "Caroline led the spouses’ programme during the Lambeth Conference and has travelled tirelessly in areas of conflict supporting the most vulnerable, the women, and those who care for them locally. "I believe that stepping aside is in the best interests of the Church of England, which I dearly love and which I have been honoured to serve. "I pray that this decision points us back towards the love that Jesus Christ has for every one of us. For above all else, my deepest commitment is to the person of Jesus Christ, my saviour and my God; the bearer of the sins and burdens of the world, and the hope of every person."
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Post by Icegas on Nov 12, 2024 17:23:00 GMT
Disgusting cover up leads to the Arch Bishop of Canterbury resigning. Good riddance. Good bye. Hypocrite. Pedophiles and people who cover up for pedophiles (the Police, the BBC, the establishment in general) are all filth. I would be happy to see all perpetrators castrated - regardless of colour, creed, or political persuasion. And people who are trying to score 'political points' over this. They really need to take a long hard look at themselves. Nobody is. It's a topic of discussion YOU WERE.... |
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