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Post by toteend3 on Oct 26, 2024 14:07:37 GMT
3 wins out of 4 and a narrow defeat today due to red card, nevertheless really solid and gutsy performance and so nearly equalised at the end.
MT now appears to have the players fighting for him, and showing passion which was lacking before, MT picking up a yellow card.
This constant ‘one defeat away from the sack’ is so unnecessary we have been shortchanged by the two main strikers , however form is temporary and talent is permanent given time they will come good.
So can we let MT finish what he’s started without the ‘sword over his head’ nonsense - Please.
URG
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Post by Icegas on Oct 26, 2024 21:41:31 GMT
3 wins out of 4 and a narrow defeat today due to red card, nevertheless really solid and gutsy performance and so nearly equalised at the end. MT now appears to have the players fighting for him, and showing passion which was lacking before, MT picking up a yellow card. This constant ‘one defeat away from the sack’ is so unnecessary we have been shortchanged by the two main strikers , however form is temporary and talent is permanent given time they will come good. So can we let MT finish what he’s started without the ‘sword over his head’ nonsense - Please. URG As I started the TAYLOR OUT THREAD,I will give him his due and today was the best performance, 2nd half I've seen under him. He still has alot to turn around,and prove to myself and thousands of others given the state of our crowds currently,( today's following was absolutely terrible for us at Reading. ) but if he keeps us ATTACKING like the battering we gave Reading once we went down to ten,then he has a chance.👍 |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2024 6:10:33 GMT
.....(From title) But Taylor not in, either.
I'm remaining neutral.
Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose?
We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away.
We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match).
So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be.
For me, he makes mistakes.
I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future.
His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior.
His players don't play as a team.
Too many individual errors in defence.
We don't score enough goals.
But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for.
We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment.
He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority.
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Post by alftupper on Oct 27, 2024 6:35:59 GMT
.....(From title) But Taylor not in, either. I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. We`ve spent a fair bit of money, simply to avoid relegation. How much would he have to be given, to get us into the play offs? |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 27, 2024 8:11:54 GMT
.....(From title) But Taylor not in, either. I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. For me yesterday, and in all fairness other performances have shown this squad has potential. I Would actually say it is better than last seasons.With the right manager possibly a playoff challenging one, and thats also based on a budget,and money spent. How many more points could we have got if a Martin from last season was available so far? I personally think time has crept up to him sadly,but we could be a playoff side currently. As Ive explained before, our performances and crowds prove not all is well even though a points return so far can be argued a decent one. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 27, 2024 8:42:48 GMT
Recently we have seen hints of things moving in a better direction.
Yesterday seemed to highlight this improvement.
This upward trajectory must steadily and reasonably continue.
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 27, 2024 9:06:37 GMT
.....(From title) But Taylor not in, either. I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. We`ve spent a fair bit of money, simply to avoid relegation. How much would he have to be given, to get us into the play offs? Depends if its spent wisely or not Chelsea for example, and I can’t imagine Wycombe and Mansfield have been splashing the cash. UTG |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2024 9:16:58 GMT
.....(From title) But Taylor not in, either. I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. We`ve spent a fair bit of money, simply to avoid relegation. How much would he have to be given, to get us into the play offs? No idea. That appears to be our age old question though, doesn't it? I think GC spent a fraction to get us into a secure play off/automatic promotion spot in December 2019, so sometimes it's not just as easy as spending money. I see it we don't make enough use of our resources, coupled with too many underperforming players at their level of ability as contributing problems. Weirdly, GC appeared to be opposite, as an example. |
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 27, 2024 9:31:23 GMT
3 wins out of 4 and a narrow defeat today due to red card, nevertheless really solid and gutsy performance and so nearly equalised at the end. MT now appears to have the players fighting for him, and showing passion which was lacking before, MT picking up a yellow card. This constant ‘one defeat away from the sack’ is so unnecessary we have been shortchanged by the two main strikers , however form is temporary and talent is permanent given time they will come good. So can we let MT finish what he’s started without the ‘sword over his head’ nonsense - Please. URG As I started the TAYLOR OUT THREAD,I will give him his due and today was the best performance, 2nd half I've seen under him. He still has alot to turn around,and prove to myself and thousands of others given the state of our crowds currently,( today's following was absolutely terrible for us at Reading. ) but if he keeps us ATTACKING like the battering we gave Reading once we went down to ten,then he has a chance.👍 I think two thousand fans getting up at ‘dawns crack’ spending £150= £200 is a bloody good turnout. I had a couple of extra beers Friday night, rolled out of bed at 12 noon made a bacon sandwich and turned on the tv spend £0 |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 27, 2024 9:40:16 GMT
As I started the TAYLOR OUT THREAD,I will give him his due and today was the best performance, 2nd half I've seen under him. He still has alot to turn around,and prove to myself and thousands of others given the state of our crowds currently,( today's following was absolutely terrible for us at Reading. ) but if he keeps us ATTACKING like the battering we gave Reading once we went down to ten,then he has a chance.👍 I think two thousand fans getting up at ‘dawns crack’ speeding £150= £200 is a bloody good turnout. I had a couple of extra beers Friday night, rolled out of bed st 12 noon made a bacon sandwich and turned on the tv spend £0 Your point? I pretty much did the same. I never knocked anyone that attended. I said that it was terrible given our normal following there. I've been to Reading with 6k/4k and even 3k there. I knocked our away following in regards to the lack of interest at the mem at the moment, not the fans effort. I looked into going myself BTW,but with the train,bus fair, ticket and food as you said it would have been a £150 plus day. Nah,not currently .👎 |
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Post by The Concept on Oct 27, 2024 10:08:22 GMT
I think two thousand fans getting up at ‘dawns crack’ speeding £150= £200 is a bloody good turnout. I had a couple of extra beers Friday night, rolled out of bed st 12 noon made a bacon sandwich and turned on the tv spend £0 I pretty much did the same. I never knocked anyone that attended. I said that it was terrible given our normal following there. I've been to Reading with 6k/4k and even 3k there. I knocked our away following in regards to the lack of interest at the mem at the moment, not the fans effort. I looked into going myself BTW,but with the train,bus fair, ticket and food as you said it would have been a £150 plus day. Nah,not currently .👎 Your point was: "today's following was absolutely terrible for us at Reading...". He has countered that in saying the number: "is a bloody good turnout." He didn't need to make a point. I'm inclined to agree with his reply to your point. I see your 5K at Reading has now risen to 6K, in a few days - I would say both figures are completely over the top... I've told people a million times not to over exaggerate.  Everyone knows our followings are bigger when it's a new ground to go to, or one we haven't been to for a number of years. I was there at a couple of early games, when I'm certain we've had our biggest turnouts: the famous Cureton/Roberts 0-6 and the one where Cureton turned the tables on us. I would say the Rovers crowd was somewhere in the region of 3,500 - 4,000 for both. p.s. You keep saying our crowds are down by a large amount. Last week I provided the figures to show our home crowd is only down by an average of 56 per game, and that only sank below last season after the last game, and this all follows on from a season that was pretty much meh from start to finish. |
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 27, 2024 10:21:15 GMT
My point is Arrendances will be negatively impacted when you can watch games on tv. So taking this week for example Tuesday Shrewsbury watched match on sky with toteend2 & toteend3 Spend 4 beers £5 instead of £60-£80 x 3 and on Saturday Reading away £150-£200 x 3.
Obviously you can’t beat being there but sometimes it’s financially a ‘no brainer’ especially when you are over 65 with no winter fuel allowance ( Harold, Harold). and it’s a midweek match in the middle of winterrrrrrrrrr……….UTG
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Post by alftupper on Oct 27, 2024 10:24:44 GMT
We`ve spent a fair bit of money, simply to avoid relegation. How much would he have to be given, to get us into the play offs? Depends if its spent wisely or not Chelsea for example, and I can’t imagine Wycombe and Mansfield have been splashing the cash. UTG Wonder what Oxford`s budget was last season, compared to ours. |
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 27, 2024 10:32:29 GMT
Your point? I pretty much did the same. I never knocked anyone that attended. I said that it was terrible given our normal following there. I've been to Reading with 6k/4k and even 3k there. I knocked our away following in regards to the lack of interest at the mem at the moment, not the fans effort. I looked into going myself BTW,but with the train,bus fair, ticket and food as you said it would have been a £150 plus day. Nah,not currently .👎 Your point was: "today's following was absolutely terrible for us at Reading...". He has countered that in saying the number: "is a bloody good turnout." He didn't need to make a point. I'm inclined to agree with his reply to your point. I see your 5K at Reading has now risen to 6K, in a few days - I would say both figures are completely over the top... I've told people a million times not to over exaggerate. Everyone knows our followings are bigger when it's a new ground to go to, or one we haven't been to for a number of years. I was there at a couple of early games, when I'm certain we've had our biggest turnouts: the famous Cureton/Roberts 0-6 and the one where Cureton turned the tables on us. I would say the Rovers crowd was somewhere in the region of 3,500 - 4,000 for both. p.s. You keep saying our crowds are down by a large amount. Last week I provided the figures to show our home crowd is only down by an average of 56 per game, and that only sank below last season after the last game, and this all follows on from a season that was pretty much meh from start to finish. My away stats for us at Reading only cover the two previous occasions - last season 2,735 which was the rearranged night match due to the international call ups and 20th Jan 2001 when we only took 1,877. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 27, 2024 11:23:20 GMT
We`ve spent a fair bit of money, simply to avoid relegation. How much would he have to be given, to get us into the play offs? No idea. That appears to be our age old question though, doesn't it? I think GC spent a fraction to get us into a secure play off/automatic promotion spot in December 2019, so sometimes it's not just as easy as spending money. I see it we don't make enough use of our resources, coupled with too many underperforming players at their level of ability as contributing problems. Weirdly, GC appeared to be opposite, as an example. That GC team was never going to finish in the top six though, was it? I've always thought that the drop off that occurred under Garner would also have occurred under GC.
I remember people used to come across from the GC games amazed that we had not lost, let alone won.
In the bottom two divisions, you can basically get promoted with good organisation. You don't need to spend large amounts of money - teams like Burton, S***tthorpe, and Southend have previously demonstrated this. Even Swansea didn't spend big money.
The Ward and Holloway play off teams also weren't assembled with big money. This is the first transfer window I can remember in which the manager has been given more money to spend than he raised through transfer fees.
I don't think we are going to see the best of Omochere, Hutchinson, Forde and Sotoriou this season. It is going to be a matter of bedding them in, and giving them consistent games. They are young players, and we are going to have to be patient.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 27, 2024 11:40:40 GMT
GC did an excellent job.
Not appreciated by some Gasheads ( yawn,no surprise there ) ,because it was'nt like MOTD football.
Fancy regularly winning the midfield battle.
Signing the best striker in the division.
Etc.
I think we may well of got promoted.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 27, 2024 14:21:11 GMT
Some goods point made on this thread.
“I see it we don't make enough use of our resources”
“Wonder what Oxford`s budget was last season, compared to ours”. Rovers total spend in 2022/ 2023 was 12 million, Oxford total spend was 14.7 million.
“In the bottom two divisions, you can basically get promoted with good organisation. You don't need to spend large amounts of money”
But nothing really changes, we keep going around and around in circles accepting the lack of forethought or planning, and then wondering why we fail. It was easy to predict what would happen this season with a new team, no experienced business management in place and no proper communication from the club. If there is a strategy and it had been communicated to fans there would be no need for all the unpleasantness targeted at Matt Taylor and now Shaq Forde. Gasheads would understand what the club is trying to do, feel part of it and be patient.
On Gaschat I’ve just read a post asking “ weren’t we losing more than 3 million pa before Wael ?” This obsession with loyalty to the owners rather than loyalty to the club is killing Rovers and the answer to the question is a resounding “No” . Prior to 2016 when 2.3 million UWE project costs were written off the operating loss was usually in the 1 million range or less. Now we are losing 4 million pa or possibly more and with charges still registered against our assets by Nationwide Finance and Dwane Sports the club is in uncharted territory.
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 27, 2024 15:20:56 GMT
GC did an excellent job. Not appreciated by some Gasheads ( yawn,no surprise there ) ,because it was'nt like MOTD football. Fancy regularly winning the midfield battle. Signing the best striker in the division. Etc. I think we may well of got promoted. We had a brilliant chance of promotion. At one point in play we were 2nd in the league. GC got guillotined too soon. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 27, 2024 17:10:30 GMT
No idea. That appears to be our age old question though, doesn't it? I think GC spent a fraction to get us into a secure play off/automatic promotion spot in December 2019, so sometimes it's not just as easy as spending money. I see it we don't make enough use of our resources, coupled with too many underperforming players at their level of ability as contributing problems. Weirdly, GC appeared to be opposite, as an example. That GC team was never going to finish in the top six though, was it? I've always thought that the drop off that occurred under Garner would also have occurred under GC.
I remember people used to come across from the GC games amazed that we had not lost, let alone won.
In the bottom two divisions, you can basically get promoted with good organisation. You don't need to spend large amounts of money - teams like Burton, S***tthorpe, and Southend have previously demonstrated this. Even Swansea didn't spend big money.
The Ward and Holloway play off teams also weren't assembled with big money. This is the first transfer window I can remember in which the manager has been given more money to spend than he raised through transfer fees.
I don't think we are going to see the best of Omochere, Hutchinson, Forde and Sotoriou this season. It is going to be a matter of bedding them in, and giving them consistent games. They are young players, and we are going to have to be patient.
Coughlan’s last game in charge was away at Ipswich - as complete an away performance as I can remember in 54+ years of watching us. That side included the likes of Menayese, Kilgour, Tyler Smith and Tom Nicholls, the latter two both getting a goal each. We’ll never know how far Coughlan might have taken that team as it appears (to me at least) he was undermined from within and chose to jump before being pushed. His win record with us though is unparalleled at least in my lifetime. That team with him at the helm knew how to grind results out - a bit like the Gerry Mk 1 team - even if they weren't necessarily the best players we have ever had. Winning ugly is absolutely fine in my book. They had a bit of a swagger and innate confidence about them which Benny destroyed from game 1 in charge onwards Agree we need to be patient with this team and manager. They are showing in short bursts what they are capable of. If they can do this more consistently and for longer spells in games then we may have one hell of a team on our hands |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 27, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
GC did an excellent job. Not appreciated by some Gasheads ( yawn,no surprise there ) ,because it was'nt like MOTD football. Fancy regularly winning the midfield battle. Signing the best striker in the division. Etc. I think we may well of got promoted. We had a brilliant chance of promotion. At one point in play we were 2nd in the league. GC got guillotined too soon. Yes indeed, and in horrible circumstance, we had just given our all and clung on to beat Ipswich away, the pitch side interview from GC should have been a joyous one, but it was not, you just knew it was all over from that moment, whether GC planned to leave or was chopped is still not known, but for sure Benny was waiting in the wings to guide us in the opposite direction. I am still annoyed to this day. |
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