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Post by alftupper on Oct 18, 2024 6:47:25 GMT
Modern life is complex, with many people being ‘from’ a range of places It seems to me that what RITS is proposing is more relevant to an LS Lowery painting than to modern reality Not convinced that invoking "modern reality", ( an era where we can`t even agree what a woman is ) is advancing your argument.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 18, 2024 7:46:39 GMT
Capello flopped because 1. He couldn't speak English 2. He didn't deal with the Manu / Arsenal / Liverpool cliques and 3. Encouraged all that WAG nonsense. It is just your opinion that Tuchel falls out with people because he is "foolly, difficult, and cannot take criticism". My opinion is that he he falls out with people because he demands high standards. Differing opinions. Fussball kommt nach hause. Hause. As it’s a Noun Entschuldigung.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 18, 2024 7:57:57 GMT
He won't have any feel for the squad's banter and endless clichés. He doesn't have an umlaut. An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms...
Bantering with Tuchel would be like breakdancing with Susan Boyle...do they even have it in the Fatherland? For 'banter' you'd be best off looking to Allardyce among post-Robson managers, with Steve McClaren a distant second.
Tuchel has a dry sense of humour. As for banter - who would you want to engage with for laughs - Southgate or Tuchel? To suggest Germans don't have 'banter' (implying they lack a sense of humour) is just a very tired old trope. And inaccurate, from what I have experienced in Germany. Updates from Eisehuttenstadt to follow.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 18, 2024 8:13:40 GMT
An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms...
Bantering with Tuchel would be like breakdancing with Susan Boyle...do they even have it in the Fatherland? For 'banter' you'd be best off looking to Allardyce among post-Robson managers, with Steve McClaren a distant second.
To suggest Germans don't have 'banter' (implying they lack a sense of humour) is just a very tired old trope. Agree: This German legend was always up for a laugh and definately had a sense of humour.. www.sport.fr/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Icon_190909-99-807488_dpai.jpg
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 18, 2024 8:46:16 GMT
We had an English England manager and people were against him from the start. Southgate's record stands better than most English managers whatever the football was like. England fans turn very quickly against managers whatever the nationality. They remind me of West Ham fans who turned against Allardyce when he got them promoted from The Championship and up to 10th in the Prem, the highest for years, because he didn't play 'the West 'Am way'. When the country can move on from the 1970s, singing '10 German bombers' and 'one world cup and two world wars', then perhaps we can focus on the football rather than the nationalism. However as seen with Southgate even if Tuchel gets us to finals it will never be good enough for England fans. He is doomed from the start and on a hiding to nothing in my opinion. A very brave [or foolish] man who should know what he he is in for looking at the back of the English 'newspapers'.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 18, 2024 9:01:52 GMT
I was not interviewed for England job - Eddie Howe..by Emma Smith, BBC Sport journalisti.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/27/17/90189971-13899451-image-a-1_1727455490048.jpgNewcastle United manager Eddie Howe says he was not contacted by the Football Association during their recent hunt for a new England manager. The FA on Wednesday appointed Thomas Tuchel, with chief executive Mark Bullingham saying they "interviewed approximately 10 people" which included "some English candidates". Howe, one of only three English managers currently in the Premier League, confirmed on Friday he was not among them. Asked if he was interviewed for the England job, he said: "I was not. There was no contact from the FA. "England have to do what is right for them. Only they will know the processes they have gone through. For me it is about Newcastle. I remain 100% focused to my work, if you drop focus the job becomes impossible." The FA appointed German manager Tuchel, making him the third non-Englishman to coach the senior men's team.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Oct 18, 2024 9:15:56 GMT
Being England Manager sounds like a terrible job. You need to be one type of manager to qualify and another to have success in tournaments. Very few footballers are particularly clever and some think they are much cleverer than they actually are. (No names, but we know him well). Southgate seemed to get caught out at tournaments by teams changing formation and tactics.
There is a version of software delivery called Extreme Programming which requires two programmers to work on the same piece at the same time, but one charged to think tactically and one to think strategically. So just as important as the manager is his assistant and the team. I remember that Graham Taylor documentary (and Mike Bassett) where Phil Neal just said "yes boss" to whatever nonsense Taylor spouted while Laurie McMenemy clearly was wishing he was somewhere else. That's not what you want, you need someone that is smart enough to observe the pattern of play and not just the minutiae of the statistics or the current tactics and play. Expecting some Sport Billy who skipped O' levels to play football to be able to do all that does seem ludicrous.
This nationality stuff leaves me cold. It's like Star Trek never happened. I would happily sing Das Deutschlandlied, naked and drunk in an open top car up and down Whiteladies road if Tuchel wins the World Cup with England. (would prefer California Uber Alles as it's more in my key and idiom).
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Post by rowdenhill on Oct 18, 2024 10:34:21 GMT
An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms... Bantering with Tuchel would be like breakdancing with Susan Boyle...do they even have it in the Fatherland? For 'banter' you'd be best off looking to Allardyce among post-Robson managers, with Steve McClaren a distant second.
Tuchel has a dry sense of humour. As for banter - who would you want to engage with for laughs - Southgate or Tuchel? To suggest Germans don't have 'banter' (implying they lack a sense of humour) is just a very tired old trope. And inaccurate, from what I have experienced in Germany. Updates from Eisehuttenstadt to follow. Of course Germans have a sense of humour - that's why they have a little viewing platform in their khasis. We are merely asserting that Tuchel won't understand the nuances of the banter engaged in by the squad, such as when he has bought his house, he gets called the Chigwell Charmer (if that hasn't already been pre-empted).
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 18, 2024 13:56:26 GMT
An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms...
Bantering with Tuchel would be like breakdancing with Susan Boyle...do they even have it in the Fatherland? For 'banter' you'd be best off looking to Allardyce among post-Robson managers, with Steve McClaren a distant second.
Tuchel has a dry sense of humour. As for banter - who would you want to engage with for laughs - Southgate or Tuchel? To suggest Germans don't have 'banter' (implying they lack a sense of humour) is just a very tired old trope. And inaccurate, from what I have experienced in Germany. Updates from Eisehuttenstadt to follow. Personally I’m a big fan of the self-proclaimed German Ambassador for Comedy, Henning Wehn His accent remains strongish, but his grasp of colloquial English is stunning (much better than my friends’, for example), his storytelling rhythms are excellent, and I find his droll irony hugely entertaining I did see him live once, and he was very mediocre, but it was a well-refreshed corporate crowd who were more interested in what they had to say than what he was saying
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 18, 2024 14:01:18 GMT
He won't have any feel for the squad's banter and endless clichés. He doesn't have an umlaut. An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms...
That’s Knoblauch
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 18, 2024 14:17:36 GMT
A recent example of German humour was the Captain of a visiting German Frigate ordered his crew to blast out the Darth Vader death march over the ships loud speakers whilst cruising up the Thames under London Bridge. A good video on utube!.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 18, 2024 14:23:00 GMT
A recent example of German humour was the Captain of a visiting German Frigate ordered his crew to blast out the Darth Vader death march over the ships loud speakers whilst cruising up the Thames under London Bridge. A good video on utube!.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 18, 2024 18:28:12 GMT
Well I suppose he’s been given to the next World Cup just to see if it works out. It seems a good time to judge him, it’s not as if he’s got to build a team or go out and buy anyone. He got a finite number of players and he’ll pick his team and system and then be judged. I think he’ll do a decent job.
I was hoping for Eddie Howe who was the obvious stand out Englishman and I don’t get the ‘it must be an Englishman’ that always surrounds the position of England manager. To keep it reasonable I’ll just think do I want Sam Allardyce or do I want Thomas Tuchel as England manager. That should put me right. We don’t get it with clubs so I think it’s just old-fashioned xenophobia.
Over the next few weeks I think it will be very interesting to see how the FA deal with this. Reading yesterday that the FA said “approximately 10 candidates were talked to including English coaches….” You usually say approximations are for figure above 20, not 10. Surely even the FA can count to 10! So I’m presuming that Eddie H must have been one of those. If he wasn’t who were they? Perhaps more coaches than managers. Yet today EH says he was not even contacted about the job.
Now he has said that I think something doesn’t seem right. I don’t believe there are many better candidates than EH but it appears that if he wasn’t “contacted” then he wasn’t even considered. Quite amazing. Yet the FA yesterday implied by what they said that they had considered English candidates which, to those reading, that it included EH.
Someone is telling porkies methinks! I await to hear that Adrian Burlington announces in a few months that he is moving on to ‘explore new career opportunites.’
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 18, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
Modern life is complex, with many people being ‘from’ a range of places It seems to me that what RITS is proposing is more relevant to an LS Lowery painting than to modern reality Not convinced that invoking "modern reality", ( an era where we can`t even agree what a woman is ) is advancing your argument. Well done Alf, that made me chuckle! But I agree with AMPG really! 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 18, 2024 18:36:29 GMT
Epping, please. I can do Bristol well, I can manage West Country, I can do Brum, I can even do Geordie. I struggle with Scottish but have absolutely no chance with German. Keep it English or at least provide the English version. 🤔 best wishes. UTG!
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 18, 2024 19:05:26 GMT
I’ve voted for brexit to keep the Europeans out !!! Im with Harry redknapp , England job should be for a Englishman , hopefully 10 German bombers at full volume will get the message to touchel Super frank lampard for me
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 18, 2024 20:34:06 GMT
An umlaut? Nice with mushrooms...
Bantering with Tuchel would be like breakdancing with Susan Boyle...do they even have it in the Fatherland? For 'banter' you'd be best off looking to Allardyce among post-Robson managers, with Steve McClaren a distant second.
Tuchel has a dry sense of humour. As for banter - who would you want to engage with for laughs - Southgate or Tuchel? To suggest Germans don't have 'banter' (implying they lack a sense of humour) is just a very tired old trope. And inaccurate, from what I have experienced in Germany. Updates from Eisehuttenstadt to follow. I'd suggest watching Tuchel's reaction to being called out by journalists on his willingness to take Abramovitch's blood money after the Ukraine war broke out. His reaction was petulant and entirely lacking in self-awareness, which is one of the main things you need for a sense of humour.
TBH, if he cannot handle this, I dread to think how he would have coped with some of the stuff that was thrown that Taylor, whose treatment by the football press was an absolute disgrace.
It's interesting that you mention Southgate, who can actually be very funny - see his punditry conversation with Keane where he brings up the Irishman's past stomp on his chest.
Germans have historically been practical, serious and focused. All good things. I have a lot of time for them, a lot of respect for how they reintegrated into Europe, and I think it's very sad what is happening to their country, in the same way as I think it's very sad what is happening to the UK.
However, they aren't renowned for the sense of humour in the same way as the Irish, for example, which is of course not the same as saying that you may not have met a German who made you laugh or who demonstrated a sense of humour.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 18, 2024 20:41:31 GMT
Well I suppose he’s been given to the next World Cup just to see if it works out. It seems a good time to judge him, it’s not as if he’s got to build a team or go out and buy anyone. He got a finite number of players and he’ll pick his team and system and then be judged. I think he’ll do a decent job. I was hoping for Eddie Howe who was the obvious stand out Englishman and I don’t get the ‘it must be an Englishman’ that always surrounds the position of England manager. To keep it reasonable I’ll just think do I want Sam Allardyce or do I want Thomas Tuchel as England manager. That should put me right. We don’t get it with clubs so I think it’s just old-fashioned xenophobia. Over the next few weeks I think it will be very interesting to see how the FA deal with this. Reading yesterday that the FA said “approximately 10 candidates were talked to including English coaches….” You usually say approximations are for figure above 20, not 10. Surely even the FA can count to 10! So I’m presuming that Eddie H must have been one of those. If he wasn’t who were they? Perhaps more coaches than managers. Yet today EH says he was not even contacted about the job. Now he has said that I think something doesn’t seem right. I don’t believe there are many better candidates than EH but it appears that if he wasn’t “contacted” then he wasn’t even considered. Quite amazing. Yet the FA yesterday implied by what they said that they had considered English candidates which, to those reading, that it included EH. Someone is telling porkies methinks! I await to hear that Adrian Burlington announces in a few months that he is moving on to ‘explore new career opportunites.’ UTG! I'd suggest a re-evaluation of Allardyce. His achievements with Bolton were highly impressive, and he was by no means a long ball merchant, a la Pulis. He repeatedly competed against Wenger's Arsenal in a way that very few other PL teams did.
The 'Mike Bassett' caricature of him is well, well, wide of the mark.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 18, 2024 21:00:52 GMT
Being England Manager sounds like a terrible job. You need to be one type of manager to qualify and another to have success in tournaments. Very few footballers are particularly clever and some think they are much cleverer than they actually are. (No names, but we know him well). Southgate seemed to get caught out at tournaments by teams changing formation and tactics. There is a version of software delivery called Extreme Programming which requires two programmers to work on the same piece at the same time, but one charged to think tactically and one to think strategically. So just as important as the manager is his assistant and the team. I remember that Graham Taylor documentary (and Mike Bassett) where Phil Neal just said "yes boss" to whatever nonsense Taylor spouted while Laurie McMenemy clearly was wishing he was somewhere else. That's not what you want, you need someone that is smart enough to observe the pattern of play and not just the minutiae of the statistics or the current tactics and play. Expecting some Sport Billy who skipped O' levels to play football to be able to do all that does seem ludicrous. This nationality stuff leaves me cold. It's like Star Trek never happened. I would happily sing Das Deutschlandlied, naked and drunk in an open top car up and down Whiteladies road if Tuchel wins the World Cup with England. (would prefer California Uber Alles as it's more in my key and idiom). It leaves you cold and it doesn't leave other people cold. You've moved onto other illusions. Good for you.
'I'm set free to find a new illusion.' Velvet Underground, 'I'm Set Free'
Going from one of, if not the, most important bands in music history to Graham Taylor's stewardship of the England team is certainly an odd transition, but I'm obliged to point out to you that any manager would have struggled with the hand that Taylor was dealt, and that he was stitched up by that documentary.
You don't take Watford from D4 to being one of the leading teams in the country without being an extremely good manager, which Taylor certainly was. Carlton Palmer was similarly subsequently lampooned as a complete donkey when he was actually a very effective player who was very good at what he did.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 18, 2024 22:46:13 GMT
Well I suppose he’s been given to the next World Cup just to see if it works out. It seems a good time to judge him, it’s not as if he’s got to build a team or go out and buy anyone. He got a finite number of players and he’ll pick his team and system and then be judged. I think he’ll do a decent job. I was hoping for Eddie Howe who was the obvious stand out Englishman and I don’t get the ‘it must be an Englishman’ that always surrounds the position of England manager. To keep it reasonable I’ll just think do I want Sam Allardyce or do I want Thomas Tuchel as England manager. That should put me right. We don’t get it with clubs so I think it’s just old-fashioned xenophobia. Over the next few weeks I think it will be very interesting to see how the FA deal with this. Reading yesterday that the FA said “approximately 10 candidates were talked to including English coaches….” You usually say approximations are for figure above 20, not 10. Surely even the FA can count to 10! So I’m presuming that Eddie H must have been one of those. If he wasn’t who were they? Perhaps more coaches than managers. Yet today EH says he was not even contacted about the job. Now he has said that I think something doesn’t seem right. I don’t believe there are many better candidates than EH but it appears that if he wasn’t “contacted” then he wasn’t even considered. Quite amazing. Yet the FA yesterday implied by what they said that they had considered English candidates which, to those reading, that it included EH. Someone is telling porkies methinks! I await to hear that Adrian Burlington announces in a few months that he is moving on to ‘explore new career opportunites.’ UTG! I'd suggest a re-evaluation of Allardyce. His achievements with Bolton were highly impressive, and he was by no means a long ball merchant, a la Pulis. He repeatedly competed against Wenger's Arsenal in a way that very few other PL teams did.
The 'Mike Bassett' caricature of him is well, well, wide of the mark.
Thanks rits but I’ve never seen Mike Bassett so no idea of his connections to Sam Allardyce. I know the name but have never seen him. It certainly didn’t colour my opinion of Allardyce. He was able to do that all by himself. Yes, he did well with Bolton but not really anywhere else. Decent club manager for Bolton and perhaps he did well in containing other ‘better’ teams but I’m not sure he’d have been able to use the attacking quality England now has. And it didn’t take long for him to mess it up for himself by his actions. UTG!
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