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Post by baselswh on Oct 5, 2024 6:38:47 GMT
Are you comfortable with your country becoming an Islamic one?
It'll happen in about 40/50 years or so.
It's inevitable.
Maybe you think it'll all be just lovely just like all those other Islamic countries.
Our descendants,that'll be our present to them.Islam.
Comfortable with this?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 5, 2024 7:05:04 GMT
Are you comfortable with your country becoming an Islamic one? It'll happen in about 40/50 years or so. It's inevitable. Maybe you think it'll all be just lovely just like all those other Islamic countries. Our descendants,that'll be our present to them.Islam. Comfortable with this? Source? |
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Post by oldie on Oct 5, 2024 8:16:58 GMT
Are you comfortable with your country becoming an Islamic one? It'll happen in about 40/50 years or so. It's inevitable. Maybe you think it'll all be just lovely just like all those other Islamic countries. Our descendants,that'll be our present to them.Islam. Comfortable with this? Source? The Day Care Centre, over a cup of Horlicks, is my guess. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 5, 2024 10:20:20 GMT
Churches are empty, Christianity seems to be dying a death. Something like only 20% of weddings held in churches.
Maybe Islam is the way forward 😀
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Post by oldie on Oct 5, 2024 10:32:27 GMT
Churches are empty, Christianity seems to be dying a death. Something like only 20% of weddings held in churches. Maybe Islam is the way forward 😀 Jesus Akhbar? Or برو به جهنم |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 1:05:55 GMT
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Post by oldie on Oct 6, 2024 6:54:25 GMT
It really is disgraceful. People eating this "food". This has been going on far too long. Decades in fact. Why are people turning away from tasteless overcooked cabbage accompanied with boiled potatoes and a slice of beef which more resembles a piece of leather? Also, some, are drinking that red juice from France.... imagine. Places like this urban-tandoor.com/Should be shut down. Let's get back to proper British values. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 8:52:22 GMT
It really is disgraceful. People eating this "food". This has been going on far too long. Decades in fact. Why are people turning away from tasteless overcooked cabbage accompanied with boiled potatoes and a slice of beef which more resembles a piece of leather? Also, some, are drinking that red juice from France.... imagine. Places like this urban-tandoor.com/Should be shut down. Let's get back to proper British values. I'm an animal lover. But I love eating meat,so really should be a non meat eater. Animals are beautiful and one of many of ...let's call them " gods creations" for you - as you are an atheist , or at best an agnostic. However..Halal meat - and the act of how a animal is maimed, and then killed does not need to exist in 2024. It's untasteful, barbarian and cruel act. Its cruelty should not be packaged,and sold on UK shelves in the name of an evil region that you sometimes defend, even as a so called heathen. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 6, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
It really is disgraceful. People eating this "food". This has been going on far too long. Decades in fact. Why are people turning away from tasteless overcooked cabbage accompanied with boiled potatoes and a slice of beef which more resembles a piece of leather? Also, some, are drinking that red juice from France.... imagine. Places like this urban-tandoor.com/Should be shut down. Let's get back to proper British values. I'm an animal lover. But I love eating meat,so really should be a non meat eater. Animals are beautiful and one of many of ...let's call them " gods creations" for you - as you are an atheist , or at best an agnostic. However..Halal meat - and the act of how a animal is maimed, and then killed does not need to exist in 2024. It's untasteful, barbarian and cruel act. Its cruelty should not be packaged,and sold on UK shelves in the name of an evil region that you sometimes defend, even as a so called heathen. Do you oppose Kosher meat with the same vigour? The EU approved the ban of non stunned meat bloc wide, although Cameron opposed it irrc. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 10:25:19 GMT
I'm an animal lover. But I love eating meat,so really should be a non meat eater. Animals are beautiful and one of many of ...let's call them " gods creations" for you - as you are an atheist , or at best an agnostic. However..Halal meat - and the act of how a animal is maimed, and then killed does not need to exist in 2024. It's untasteful, barbarian and cruel act. Its cruelty should not be packaged,and sold on UK shelves in the name of an evil region that you sometimes defend, even as a so called heathen. Do you oppose Kosher meat with the same vigour? The EU approved the ban of non stunned meat bloc wide, although Cameron opposed it irrc. No, and why would I..? I've explained that I dislike animal cruelty, so really should a vegetarian, but I enjoy animal products to much so never will be. One act involves slicing an animals troat while still alive and not stunned, and the other involves separating meat and dairy and not enjoying them at the same time. Don't they drain the blood before meat is eaten also? Both are religious acts, but one is barbaric and the other is not. I might be wrong though. I can't remember. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 6, 2024 10:39:55 GMT
Do you oppose Kosher meat with the same vigour? The EU approved the ban of non stunned meat bloc wide, although Cameron opposed it irrc. No, and why would I..? I've explained that I dislike animal cruelty, so really should a vegetarian, but I enjoy animal products to much so never will be. One act involves slicing an animals troat while still alive and not stunned, and the other involves separating meat and dairy and not enjoying them at the same time. Don't they drain the blood before meat is eaten also? Both are religious acts, but one is barbaric and the other is not. I might be wrong though. I can't remember. Kosher: The “Shochet “or slaughterer should be Jewish with knowledge of Jewish laws. The slaughter should be a quick, deep stroke with no nicks. All blood should be drawn from the animal. The lungs of the animal are inspected to make sure there are no defects to deem the meat Kosher Halal: The slaughterer should be Muslim. The animal should be prayed over before slaughter. The knife must be sharp to minimize pain. The throat of the animal is cut and the knife may not be lifted before the cut is complete. The Trachea, Esophagus and both jugular veins must be severed or at least three of the four arteries must be severed for the meat to be Halal. All the blood should be drawn from the animal. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 10:52:41 GMT
No, and why would I..? I've explained that I dislike animal cruelty, so really should a vegetarian, but I enjoy animal products to much so never will be. One act involves slicing an animals troat while still alive and not stunned, and the other involves separating meat and dairy and not enjoying them at the same time. Don't they drain the blood before meat is eaten also? Both are religious acts, but one is barbaric and the other is not. I might be wrong though. I can't remember. Kosher: The “Shochet “or slaughterer should be Jewish with knowledge of Jewish laws. The slaughter should be a quick, deep stroke with no nicks. All blood should be drawn from the animal. The lungs of the animal are inspected to make sure there are no defects to deem the meat Kosher Halal: The slaughterer should be Muslim. The animal should be prayed over before slaughter. The knife must be sharp to minimize pain. The throat of the animal is cut and the knife may not be lifted before the cut is complete. The Trachea, Esophagus and both jugular veins must be severed or at least three of the four arteries must be severed for the meat to be Halal. All the blood should be drawn from the animal. Is the animal stunned before hand via Kosher? I honestly don't know a great deal about it apart from what I've stated above. If the animal is not stunned beforehand , then it's just the same as what Muslims do for Halal. - Barbaric. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 6, 2024 10:59:03 GMT
Kosher: The “Shochet “or slaughterer should be Jewish with knowledge of Jewish laws. The slaughter should be a quick, deep stroke with no nicks. All blood should be drawn from the animal. The lungs of the animal are inspected to make sure there are no defects to deem the meat Kosher Halal: The slaughterer should be Muslim. The animal should be prayed over before slaughter. The knife must be sharp to minimize pain. The throat of the animal is cut and the knife may not be lifted before the cut is complete. The Trachea, Esophagus and both jugular veins must be severed or at least three of the four arteries must be severed for the meat to be Halal. All the blood should be drawn from the animal. Is the animal stunned before hand via Kosher? I honestly don't know a great deal about it apart from what I've stated above. If the animal is not stunned beforehand , then it's just the same as what Muslims do for Halal. - Barbaric. Well, the way animals are treated by the food industry isn't pleasant at all, regardless of the slaughter. Those dunces on that twitter thread talking about boycotting Asda are just responding to more Islamophobia through ignorance |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 11:32:34 GMT
Is the animal stunned before hand via Kosher? I honestly don't know a great deal about it apart from what I've stated above. If the animal is not stunned beforehand , then it's just the same as what Muslims do for Halal. - Barbaric. Well, the way animals are treated by the food industry isn't pleasant at all, regardless of the slaughter. Those dunces on that twitter thread talking about boycotting Asda are just responding to more Islamophobia through ignorance Why do we need as Halal Counter in a supermarket in the UK? Is it because we are slowly becoming a Islamic country? I'm not saying it is, I'm asking the question? But the evidence is very telling. Going back to Basel's opening post, the British natives have a right, and are not Islamophobic for not ignoring how the demographics of this country are changing. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 6, 2024 11:41:09 GMT
Well, the way animals are treated by the food industry isn't pleasant at all, regardless of the slaughter. Those dunces on that twitter thread talking about boycotting Asda are just responding to more Islamophobia through ignorance Why do we need as Halal Counter in a supermarket in the UK? Is it because we are slowly becoming a Islamic country? I'm not saying it is, I'm asking the question? But the evidence is very telling. Going back to Basel's opening post, the British natives have a right, and are not Islamophobic for not ignoring how the demographics of this country are changing. Aldi, Sainsbury's, M+S and Tesco's have sold kosher products for years. Probably more stores too. You'll have eaten Kosher products, probably Halal too. They're just catering to customers demand. Using animal welfare to have a pop at Muslims on that thread is ignorance. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 12:04:31 GMT
Why do we need as Halal Counter in a supermarket in the UK? Is it because we are slowly becoming a Islamic country? I'm not saying it is, I'm asking the question? But the evidence is very telling. Going back to Basel's opening post, the British natives have a right, and are not Islamophobic for not ignoring how the demographics of this country are changing. Aldi, Sainsbury's, M+S and Tesco's have sold kosher products for years. Probably more stores too. You'll have eaten Kosher products, probably Halal too. They're just catering to customers demand. Using animal welfare to have a pop at Muslims on that thread is ignorance. I disagree Pop up.. Of course I know I would have eaten that meat as they package it secretly.I believe there is a * or something on the packaging to indicate it's Hahal. It's not ignorance,nor having a pop at Muslims when they now have a their own counter within stories in this country. I'm nither Muslim, nor Jewish. But are you telling me that there wouldn't be an outrage today if a kosher counter was opened up in Asda or Tesco due to what's happening in Gaza? Again, going back to the opening point of this thread and how Islam is slowing,or not so slowly.. changing the UK and the European countries cultures. It's not ignorance,or bigoted, it's called awareness. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 6, 2024 12:14:02 GMT
Aldi, Sainsbury's, M+S and Tesco's have sold kosher products for years. Probably more stores too. You'll have eaten Kosher products, probably Halal too. They're just catering to customers demand. Using animal welfare to have a pop at Muslims on that thread is ignorance. I disagree Pop up.. Of course I know I would have eaten that meat as they package it secretly.I believe there is a * or something on the packaging to indicate it's Hahal. It's not ignorance,nor having a pop at Muslims when they now have a their own counter within stories in this country. I'm nither Muslim, nor Jewish. But are you telling me that there wouldn't be an outrage today if a kosher counter was opened up in Asda or Tesco due to what's happening in Gaza? Again, going back to the opening point of this thread and how Islam is slowing,or not so slowly.. changing the UK and the European countries cultures. It's not ignorance,or bigoted, it's called awareness. It's ignorance if using animal welfare as a stick to beat them with. Every supermarket i go to has a Polish aisle, an Indian, Chinese etc etc. It's great 😃 |
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Post by oldie on Oct 6, 2024 17:05:51 GMT
Aldi, Sainsbury's, M+S and Tesco's have sold kosher products for years. Probably more stores too. You'll have eaten Kosher products, probably Halal too. They're just catering to customers demand. Using animal welfare to have a pop at Muslims on that thread is ignorance. I disagree Pop up.. Of course I know I would have eaten that meat as they package it secretly.I believe there is a * or something on the packaging to indicate it's Hahal. It's not ignorance,nor having a pop at Muslims when they now have a their own counter within stories in this country. I'm nither Muslim, nor Jewish. But are you telling me that there wouldn't be an outrage today if a kosher counter was opened up in Asda or Tesco due to what's happening in Gaza? Again, going back to the opening point of this thread and how Islam is slowing,or not so slowly.. changing the UK and the European countries cultures. It's not ignorance,or bigoted, it's called awareness. It's never awareness when you were completely unaware, it appears that Kosher meat is prepared the same way. It's just lazy, and a classic case of confirmation bias. The Asda protest, pop up was being polite, is just another classic case of ignorance, personified. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 17:55:33 GMT
I disagree Pop up.. Of course I know I would have eaten that meat as they package it secretly.I believe there is a * or something on the packaging to indicate it's Hahal. It's not ignorance,nor having a pop at Muslims when they now have a their own counter within stories in this country. I'm nither Muslim, nor Jewish. But are you telling me that there wouldn't be an outrage today if a kosher counter was opened up in Asda or Tesco due to what's happening in Gaza? Again, going back to the opening point of this thread and how Islam is slowing,or not so slowly.. changing the UK and the European countries cultures. It's not ignorance,or bigoted, it's called awareness. It's never awareness when you were completely unaware, it appears that Kosher meat is prepared the same way. It's just lazy, and a classic case of confirmation bias. The Asda protest, pop up was being polite, is just another classic case of ignorance, personified. I'm inclined to agree with you, but that does not include me, for the record. It also doesn't take away from the point of this thread by including this topic. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 6, 2024 18:05:16 GMT
It's just economics to the supermarkets and places like KFC. If they have a significant Muslim population (not a cultural takeover) then they have a few choices:
-Stock only humanely slaughtered meat and lose maybe 10% of their customers depending on the towns we are discussing
-Serve/sell both halal and non-halal meat and offer a choice, which is costly and impractical
-Stock only halal meat and lose a tiny proportion of their concerned customer base, because most people don't really care about animal welfare.
So they go for the third option in selected locations.
For the record, I am totally opposed to halal and kosher slaughter. It's cruel and unnecessary torture for animals in the name of religion, which is to blame for many things in this world.
The supermarkets could take a stand but for all their Red Tractor symbols, money talks and principles take a back seat.
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