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Post by baldrick on Oct 6, 2024 18:06:36 GMT
It's never awareness when you were completely unaware, it appears that Kosher meat is prepared the same way. It's just lazy, and a classic case of confirmation bias. The Asda protest, pop up was being polite, is just another classic case of ignorance, personified. I'm inclined to agree with you, but that does not include me, for the record. It also doesn't take away from the point of this thread by including this topic. Did you know that most Halal meat in the UK is stunned? |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 18:09:28 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with you, but that does not include me, for the record. It also doesn't take away from the point of this thread by including this topic. Did you know that most Halal meat in the UK is stunned? I'm going to do a You here..and ask if you have a link? |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 6, 2024 18:32:43 GMT
Did you know that most Halal meat in the UK is stunned? I'm going to do a You here..and ask if you have a link? The latest Food Standards Agency figures show an estimated 24.5 million animals will be slaughtered without pre-stunning in 2022: 22 million meat chickens (2.3% of total slaughtered) 2.7 million sheep (22.6% of total slaughtered) 24,000 cattle (0.9% of total slaughtered) The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter. Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned. Exported and rejected non-stunned meat A proportion of products from animals slaughtered without prior stunning were exported (5% of chickens, 32% of sheep) therefore not meeting the legal requirement for serving only the local (UK) demand for these products. 51% of cattle carcases and 43% of sheep carcases slaughtered via the Shechita method were rejected as non-Kosher, it's unclear what happens to the meat from these animals which haven't been stunned prior to slaughter and don't meet the requirements for their religious communities, they may end up in the mainstream food chain highlighting the legal need for clear labelling. This high level of rejection also means more animals must be slaughtered by this method to meet the demand and needs further investigation. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 18:58:03 GMT
I'm going to do a You here..and ask if you have a link? The latest Food Standards Agency figures show an estimated 24.5 million animals will be slaughtered without pre-stunning in 2022: 22 million meat chickens (2.3% of total slaughtered) 2.7 million sheep (22.6% of total slaughtered) 24,000 cattle (0.9% of total slaughtered) The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter. Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned. Exported and rejected non-stunned meat A proportion of products from animals slaughtered without prior stunning were exported (5% of chickens, 32% of sheep) therefore not meeting the legal requirement for serving only the local (UK) demand for these products. 51% of cattle carcases and 43% of sheep carcases slaughtered via the Shechita method were rejected as non-Kosher, it's unclear what happens to the meat from these animals which haven't been stunned prior to slaughter and don't meet the requirements for their religious communities, they may end up in the mainstream food chain highlighting the legal need for clear labelling. This high level of rejection also means more animals must be slaughtered by this method to meet the demand and needs further investigation. What does 'most' not include out of interest? As written in this piece. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 6, 2024 19:07:27 GMT
www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughterThe latest Food Standards Agency figures show an estimated 24.5 million animals will be slaughtered without pre-stunning in 2022: 22 million meat chickens (2.3% of total slaughtered) 2.7 million sheep (22.6% of total slaughtered) 24,000 cattle (0.9% of total slaughtered) The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter. Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned. Exported and rejected non-stunned meat A proportion of products from animals slaughtered without prior stunning were exported (5% of chickens, 32% of sheep) therefore not meeting the legal requirement for serving only the local (UK) demand for these products. 51% of cattle carcases and 43% of sheep carcases slaughtered via the Shechita method were rejected as non-Kosher, it's unclear what happens to the meat from these animals which haven't been stunned prior to slaughter and don't meet the requirements for their religious communities, they may end up in the mainstream food chain highlighting the legal need for clear labelling. This high level of rejection also means more animals must be slaughtered by this method to meet the demand and needs further investigation. What does 'most' not include out of interest? As written in this piece. Not sure I quite follow question. 65% of Halal meat is stunned. "Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned." |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 6, 2024 19:14:29 GMT
Maybe we need an animal rights thread, I'd be up for that.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 19:42:02 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with you, but that does not include me, for the record. It also doesn't take away from the point of this thread by including this topic. Did you know that most Halal meat in the UK is stunned? Im taking about this post where you said "most" were stunned. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 6, 2024 19:42:46 GMT
What does 'most' not include out of interest? As written in this piece. Not sure I quite follow question. 65% of Halal meat is stunned. "Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned." Above 🔼🔼 |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 6, 2024 19:44:39 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 10:32:21 GMT
I'm going to do a You here..and ask if you have a link? The latest Food Standards Agency figures show an estimated 24.5 million animals will be slaughtered without pre-stunning in 2022: 22 million meat chickens (2.3% of total slaughtered) 2.7 million sheep (22.6% of total slaughtered) 24,000 cattle (0.9% of total slaughtered) The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter. Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned. Exported and rejected non-stunned meat A proportion of products from animals slaughtered without prior stunning were exported (5% of chickens, 32% of sheep) therefore not meeting the legal requirement for serving only the local (UK) demand for these products. 51% of cattle carcases and 43% of sheep carcases slaughtered via the Shechita method were rejected as non-Kosher, it's unclear what happens to the meat from these animals which haven't been stunned prior to slaughter and don't meet the requirements for their religious communities, they may end up in the mainstream food chain highlighting the legal need for clear labelling. This high level of rejection also means more animals must be slaughtered by this method to meet the demand and needs further investigation. In the EU a number of countries ban the killing of livestock without stunning. And a Belgian law requiring a 100% stunning rate was upheld in the EU courts. I eat meat and it is my view that if we are going to continue to eat meat that all animals for slaughter should be stunned, with no exception for whatever religious sect shouts loudest. Interestingly many restaurant chains use Halal meat and do not give customers a choice. I have forgotten the name, [may be Nando's], but one such chain I visited with my grandchildren at the Trafford Centre near Manchester had a notice saying that all meat served was Halal. As I understand it, there is no specific control over imported meat. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 7, 2024 10:52:52 GMT
www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughterThe latest Food Standards Agency figures show an estimated 24.5 million animals will be slaughtered without pre-stunning in 2022: 22 million meat chickens (2.3% of total slaughtered) 2.7 million sheep (22.6% of total slaughtered) 24,000 cattle (0.9% of total slaughtered) The UK government doesn't have a legal requirement to ensure all animals are stunned before slaughter. Around 65% of animals slaughtered in the UK for Halal are stunned first. All animals slaughtered under the Shechita (for Kosher) are non-stunned. Exported and rejected non-stunned meat A proportion of products from animals slaughtered without prior stunning were exported (5% of chickens, 32% of sheep) therefore not meeting the legal requirement for serving only the local (UK) demand for these products. 51% of cattle carcases and 43% of sheep carcases slaughtered via the Shechita method were rejected as non-Kosher, it's unclear what happens to the meat from these animals which haven't been stunned prior to slaughter and don't meet the requirements for their religious communities, they may end up in the mainstream food chain highlighting the legal need for clear labelling. This high level of rejection also means more animals must be slaughtered by this method to meet the demand and needs further investigation. In the EU a number of countries ban the killing of livestock without stunning. And a Belgian law requiring a 100% stunning rate was upheld in the EU courts. I eat meat and it is my view that if we are going to continue to eat meat that all animals for slaughter should be stunned, with no exception for whatever religious sect shouts loudest. Interestingly many restaurant chains use Halal meat and do not give customers a choice. I have forgotten the name, [may be Nando's], but one such chain I visited with my grandchildren at the Trafford Centre near Manchester had a notice saying that all meat served was Halal. As I understand it, there is no specific control over imported meat. I don't eat meat myself but my family does and I would agree, all animals should be stunned first. KFC often are cited about Halal, their website states it is all stunned first, so confirms Halal doesn't automatically assume unstunned. Animal welfare is more than just how the animal is despatched, even stunned animals suffer by bad treatment, whether that is on the farm, en route or actually at the abattoir. I've seen a few animals being slaughtered over the years and my nephew is in the RSPCA, in fact Halal is often more respectful of the animal as part of the process. Not always of course, there remains a lot of horror stories. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 7, 2024 11:15:51 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Oct 7, 2024 11:30:30 GMT
Good stuff. A worthy cause,to save British justice. It'll get loads of publicity and millions of Britons will support Reforms endeavors. Perhaps promoted as Reform v Labour. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 12:57:10 GMT
In fairness the Police and CPS are taking an inordinate length of time to deal with what is a high profile case. If they say that there is insufficient evidence then that is likely to cause serious issues with trust from the public. I can understand people's frustration. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 12:58:24 GMT
Good stuff. A worthy cause,to save British justice. It'll get loads of publicity and millions of Britons will support Reforms endeavors. Perhaps promoted as Reform v Labour. Why Labour? It's a matter for the Police, CPS and the courts. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 7, 2024 13:06:06 GMT
In fairness the Police and CPS are taking an inordinate length of time to deal with what is a high profile case. If they say that there is insufficient evidence then that is likely to cause serious issues with trust from the public. I can understand people's frustration. They are, although there has been suggestions that charges would be watered down or dropped if they dropped the charges against the police. That may be where Reform are getting the idea they'll be 'let off.' |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 7, 2024 14:17:02 GMT
Good stuff. A worthy cause,to save British justice. It'll get loads of publicity and millions of Britons will support Reforms endeavors. Perhaps promoted as Reform v Labour. Why Labour? It's a matter for the Police, CPS and the courts. Yeh,2TK portrayed as a Sheriff of Nottingham type and Nige as Robin Hood. More votes for Reform whatever the outcome. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 7, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
In fairness the Police and CPS are taking an inordinate length of time to deal with what is a high profile case. If they say that there is insufficient evidence then that is likely to cause serious issues with trust from the public. I can understand people's frustration. They are, although there has been suggestions that charges would be watered down or dropped if they dropped the charges against the police. That may be where Reform are getting the idea they'll be 'let off.' When all is said and done, all people want is the truth to be out. A trial by YouTube video helps nobody and just constrains due process. My view is everybody (and it's only certain types isn't it) should shut the eff up and let the police and CPS do their jobs |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 7, 2024 19:03:08 GMT
Islam has British justice and Government on the run.
It's a disgrace.
Good luck to Reform if they do have to challenge the law.
I'll happily bung a tenner in.
There has to be a fight back.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 8, 2024 7:46:51 GMT
They are, although there has been suggestions that charges would be watered down or dropped if they dropped the charges against the police. That may be where Reform are getting the idea they'll be 'let off.' When all is said and done, all people want is the truth to be out. A trial by YouTube video helps nobody and just constrains due process. My view is everybody (and it's only certain types isn't it) should shut the eff up and let the police and CPS do their jobs But isn't that the question...are the Police and/or the CPS doing their jobs? |
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