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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 1:30:31 GMT
BRFC Strikers / Forwards Average Goals Per Games Ratio - After WW2 - Have Played In 100 Games Or More
Geoff Bradford – 462 games & 242 goals = 0.523 average
Matty Taylor – 118 & 61 = 0.516
Dai Ward – 175 & 90 = 0.514
Vic Lambden – 268 & 117 = 0.436
Barrie Meyer – 139 & 60 = 0.431
Alfie Biggs – 424 & 178 = 0.419
Ian Hamilton – 149 & 60 = 0.402
Jamie Cureton – 198 & 79 = 0.398
Paul Randall – 277 & 107 = 0.386
Bruce Bannister – 206 & 80 = 0.388
Rickie Lambert – 155 & 59 = 0.380
Alan Warboys – 144 & 53 = 0.368
Peter Beadle – 109 & 39 = 0.357
Peter Hooper – 297 & 101 = 0.340
Marcus Stewart – 171 & 57 = 0.333
Junior Agogo – 126 & 41 = 0.325
Richard Walker – 143 & 46 = 0.321
Archie Stephens – 127 & 40 = 0.314
Nathan Ellington – 116 & 35 = 0.301
Aaron Collins – 117 & 35 = 0.299
Carl Saunders – 142 & 42 = 0.295
Steve White – 150 & 44 = 0.293
Devon White – 202 & 52 = 0.257
Joe Kuffour – 130 & 32 = 0.246
Bobby Jones – 421 & 101 = 0.239
Rory Gaffney – 100 & 21 = 0.210
David Staniforth – 153 & 32 = 0.209
Forwards Under 100 Games Played, Very Special Mentions
Jonson Clarke Harris – 42 games & 24 goals = 0.571 Average
Barry Hayles – 62 & 32 = 0.516
Jason Roberts – 78 & 38 = 0.487
John Taylor – 95 & 44 = 0.463
Graham Withey - 22 & 10 = 0.454
Trevor Morgan – 55 & 24 = 0.436
Some Great Players Averages To Compare With
Lionel Messi - 1,124 & 865 = 0.769
Cristiano Ronaldo - 1,271 & 917 = 0.721
Jimmy Greaves - 764 & 513 = 0.671
Harry Kane - 646 & 408 = 0.631
Alan Shearer - 797 & 409 = 0.513
Gary Lineker - 653 & 331 = 0.506
Wayne Rooney - 883 & 366 = 0.414
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 4, 2024 2:39:46 GMT
Good work BT. Very interesting, thanks!.
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 4, 2024 3:02:18 GMT
Very interesting. I wonder where Errling Haaland would fit in there?
Can't see Geoff Bradford's Rovers record ever being beaten. No one stays long enough these days.
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 4, 2024 6:42:13 GMT
A few observations.
Cureton's stats are seriously impressive given he played at RW for a considerable number of those games.
Stewart's stats are distorted by the relegation season, in which we came down with the worst-ever defensive record from what is now the championship.
Taylor's goals are mostly Conference and L2. He also wasn't a great finisher and missed a lot of chances (see the D&R game).
Beadle's stats, which include THAT goal at Trashton, are v.impressive given that he was much more than just a goalscorer. Likewise Agogo.
Kuffour surprises me as he had a very mixed time with the club. People forget just how good Walker's scoring rate, albeit in the basement division, was.
In the cases of Roberts, Lambert and Agogo, slow starts need to be taken into account. Shows how good Roberts was in his later career given how slow his start was.
Since the 1990s, I would say Stewart is the best striker we have had, followed by Roberts and then Clarke-Harris.
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Post by rufustfirefly on Sept 4, 2024 8:05:15 GMT
I would suggest our best ever striker was Barry Hayles and the metric I use for this is BH was a guy who entered the fray with Rovers from non league football.
If we take a look at some of the others that were plucked direct from non league football such as Archie Stephens, Paul Randall and The Duke their averages are well below Barry's.
Hayles scored on his league debut and notched 27 goals in his first season of league football - I guess just looking at the stats is the introduction to the full story.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 4, 2024 8:14:26 GMT
Very interesting. I wonder where Errling Haaland would fit in there? Can't see Geoff Bradford's Rovers record ever being beaten. No one stays long enough these days. Total career Haarland is 183 goals from 225 games = 0.813 Even more impressive is his Bundesliga / Premiersh1t record... 149 goals from 152 games = 0.980 (According to wiki anyway). |
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Post by trymer on Sept 4, 2024 8:16:50 GMT
Well done BT,very interesting stats.
Graham Withey 22 games (3 as sub) 10 goals is worth a mention.
The problem with statistics is that they dont allow for differences in which division the goals were scored,Taylor has been mentioned as scoring in non league and 4th tier, Randall scored many in the 2nd tier including one at Hull that kept Rovers up and gave the club another season in the 2nd division.
Although Rovers have never been a particularly successful club we have been lucky to see some exciting strikers over the years
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 8:35:31 GMT
Well done BT,very interesting stats. Graham Withey 22 games (3 as sub) 10 goals is worth a mention. The problem with statistics is that they dont allow for differences in which division the goals were scored,Taylor has been mentioned as scoring in non league and 4th tier, Randall scored many in the 2nd tier including one at Hull that kept Rovers up and gave the club another season in the 2nd division. Although Rovers have never been a particularly successful club we have been lucky to see some exciting strikers over the years GW has been added to the list - upon request |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 4, 2024 8:41:45 GMT
I would suggest our best ever striker was Barry Hayles and the metric I use for this is BH was a guy who entered the fray with Rovers from non league football. If we take a look at some of the others that were plucked direct from non league football such as Archie Stephens, Paul Randall and The Duke their averages are well below Barry's. Hayles scored on his league debut and notched 27 goals in his first season of league football - I guess just looking at the stats is the introduction to the full story. I agree over BH being the best from non-league. But tbf to Archie S, Paul R and Nathan E they came from far further down the pyramid. Non-league is a large range of clubs and standards and whilst Barry H came from the top level, the others came from far lower down so probably represented a far bigger risk and higher chance of it not working. We were very fortunate it worked so well. UTG! |
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 4, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
I would suggest our best ever striker was Barry Hayles and the metric I use for this is BH was a guy who entered the fray with Rovers from non league football. If we take a look at some of the others that were plucked direct from non league football such as Archie Stephens, Paul Randall and The Duke their averages are well below Barry's. Hayles scored on his league debut and notched 27 goals in his first season of league football - I guess just looking at the stats is the introduction to the full story. Did Hayles have an all round game on par with Roberts? Great player but did he bring more to the table than goals? I remember Roberts having to be marked by two opponent defenders. Cureton scored so many because of his physical ability and attributes. Stewart had everything. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 4, 2024 11:56:41 GMT
Great stuff BT and I think goes to show how good the strikers we had in 50’s and 60’s were - before my time though so can’t comment personally.
Some players on the list that I’ve loved watching. Personal favourites are Hayles, John Taylor and top of my list would be Devon White - not for actual ability which was limited, but for making the absolute most of it, for heart, for causing carnage in opposition boxes which the likes of Penrice, Mehew and Saunders benefitted from, and for being the first black footballer to be truly accepted by us Gasheads and thus helping end the abhorrent racism we were guilty of. Even more so for being hated by the sheededs as he always took them to the cleaners. Early 90s was a great time to be a gashead.
A couple more thoughts - as Trymer says Withey’s stats were good but I did think he was limited in a Paul Tait sort of way. Also with Scaly Thing, Clarke built the side around him as focal point for all our attacks so he created lots of chances for others like Bodin too and he had loads of chances himself. It didn't matter that he was actually a poor finisher as even if he missed two or three he’d get a couple more each game. Should have stuck with us rather than sell his soul to Satan for a few handfuls of silver. He would likely have been an all time great rather than viewed as on downward trajectory after leaving us.
BT - can you add stats for Penrice and Boris please?
Best ever has to be Bradford surely - not only because his record with us is unlikely to be beaten in today’s world, but will we ever have another full cap England player (and goalscorer) whilst playing for us?
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 4, 2024 12:13:24 GMT
Great stuff BT and I think goes to show how good the strikers we had in 50’s and 60’s were - before my time though so can’t comment personally. Some players on the list that I’ve loved watching. Personal favourites are Hayles, John Taylor and top of my list would be Devon White - not for actual ability which was limited, but for making the absolute most of it, for heart, for causing carnage in opposition boxes which the likes of Penrice, Mehew and Saunders benefitted from, and for being the first black footballer to be truly accepted by us Gasheads and thus helping end the abhorrent racism we were guilty of. Even more so for being hated by the sheededs as he always took them to the cleaners. Early 90s was a great time to be a gashead. I really liked Devon as: he was an assured finisher. One-on-one with the goalie you felt confident he was distinctive, awkward, different and committed. Very Bristol Rovers IMO. One journalist characterised his distinction and awkwardness in saying that he had 'all the mobility of a wardrobe without wheels', which wasn't true but was also spot on he was an integral part of the hard-working winning team we had then he made the most of is ability - we got him from non-league, and he finished by playing in the top tier |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 4, 2024 12:33:35 GMT
Great opening bt and a good read from others.
What about Ellis H, 185 games, 44 goals? And one of the most important in our history I would say.
UTG!
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Post by rufustfirefly on Sept 4, 2024 13:48:10 GMT
Some where I still have a Screen Soccer Video with the title 'Rovers Strikers of The 90's' as reviewed by Colin Howlett.
Colin, with aid from the screen soccer archives reviewed the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Hayles, Roberts, White, Saunders and Stewart - some great goals described by excited commentators.
According to Colin they were all very nice chaps and he wouldn't have been surprised to see them all go on to play for England one day!
Maybe BT's analysis would have helped Colin's analysis of these players credentials as future International strikers especially when some of them did go onto play international football just not for England!
Screen Soccer at its best.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 14:31:27 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 14:46:18 GMT
I have to give a special mention to one of my favourite BRFC players: Jamie Cureton
Coaching career
Jamie Cureton was appointed as an assistant coach at Arsenal's academy in September 2017.
Following the resignation of Adam Flint in September 2018, Cureton became manager of Bishop's Stortford alongside club owner Steve Smith, as an interim to begin with.
They guided Stortford to a 7th-place finish in the Isthmian Premier that season.
In October 2019 he took sole charge of the position.
In September 2020, he was appointed manager while still an active player at Enfield, becoming player-manager.
During the 2022–23 season, Cureton guided Enfield to the Essex Senior League title and promotion to the eighth tier.
He departed the club on 11th September 2023.
On 7th October 2023, Cureton, after announcing his retirement from senior football, joined fellow Isthmian League side Maldon & Tiptree as a coach and was part of the coaching staff for his first game against former club Enfield.
On 17th May 2024, Cureton was appointed manager of Isthmian League North Division club Cambridge City.
Playing Career
Jamie Cureton: Age: 49, has played for 20 different teams, Playing 1,074 games and scoring 391 goals = 0.363
For BRFC his record is Played 198 and Goals 79 = 0.398
Jamie also played for England U18, Played 4 & 1 goal.
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 4, 2024 18:31:12 GMT
I would suggest our best ever striker was Barry Hayles and the metric I use for this is BH was a guy who entered the fray with Rovers from non league football. If we take a look at some of the others that were plucked direct from non league football such as Archie Stephens, Paul Randall and The Duke their averages are well below Barry's. Hayles scored on his league debut and notched 27 goals in his first season of league football - I guess just looking at the stats is the introduction to the full story. I agree over BH being the best from non-league. But tbf to Archie S, Paul R and Nathan E they came from far further down the pyramid. Non-league is a large range of clubs and standards and whilst Barry H came from the top level, the others came from far lower down so probably represented a far bigger risk and higher chance of it not working. We were very fortunate it worked so well. UTG! Another way of doing it, is which player succeeded at the highest level? Roberts, Hayles, Ellington and Stewart all played in the Prem. Hayles did score infrequently but wasn't a PL striker. Roberts was a PL striker, gaining a move to Blackburn, but didn't score many - it was his all round game that established him at this level. Ellington did score a few for the clubs he played for but never looked fully at home at this level. Stewart was the only one who really succeeded in the PL, and this was even without fulfilling his full potential, which would have surely seen him break into the national side (he was on the verge at Ipswich). I'd say Stewart at his best was a lower or mid-table PL striker. Roberts, Hayles, Ellington were top-end championship strikers. Cureton had the potential but was barely championship, aside from one season with Colchester. Towards the end of his career, I would also include Gareth Taylor in the top-end championship category, as he became a bit of a beast at Sheff Utd and Burnley. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 5, 2024 13:56:15 GMT
You appear to have forgotten probably the most successful striker in the club's history
Bill Culley 1926-28
57 FL Apps,45 goals; joining Rovers at the age of 33 he quickly found the net in the Third Division South after a fascinating and successful career in hos native Scotland.
William Neill Culley. 1925-28.
Born, 26.8.1892, Kilwinning.
Died, 9.11.1955, Irvine.
5’ 9”; 11 st 4 lbs.
Début: 23.1.26 v Merthyr Town.
Career: 1909 Kilwinning Eglinton; September 1910 Kilwinning Rangers; 1911 Ardrossan Winton Rovers; 30.3.12 Kilmarnock; 30.4.15 Third Lanark (trial); May 1916 Renton (trial); May 1917 Airdrieonians (trial); 2.3.23 Clyde [25,5]; 6.10.24 Weymouth; 21.1.26 Bristol Rovers (£100) [57,45]; 10.8.28 Swindon Town [3,1]; September 1929 Kilmarnock [314,156]; January 1930 Galston; August 1931 Kilwinning Eglinton (to 1933).
“Quick and clever, with excellent control and deadly finish”, Willie Culley followed his elder brother Robert in signing for Kilwinning Eglinton and went on to become Kilmarnock’s all-time record goal-scorer. He also scored three hat-tricks for Rovers in becoming the Pirates’ top scorer for the 1926-27 season, his three goals against Swindon Town that Easter rendering him the oldest hat-trick scorer in Rovers’ League history. This tally included four goals in a fixture against QPR that March and seventeen strikes in an impressive thirteen-match run. Astonishingly, for a man who always side-footed his penalties, he missed a penalty and scored an own goal when Rovers reserves lost 5-1 at home to Exeter City reserves on Guy Fawkes Night 1927. When he scored at Newport in September 1927, the Western Daily Press reported that “it was Bristol Rovers weather last evening – that is, it was raining”. South of the border, he also appeared for Weymouth against Rovers in the FA Cup, scored for the Dorset side against Rovers reserves and added five goals as Swindon Town reserves beat Exeter City reserves by the incredible score of 12-5 in December 1928. Two goals on his Weymouth début were followed by two hat-tricks and four goals each against Welton Rovers, Bath City and Portsea. Willie Culley’s real fame, though, came north of the border. Coming from a family of clothing manufacturers, he was the second of five sons to James Culley and Mary Ann Imrie Neill of 31 Almsidall Road, Kilwinning, who had married in Kilwinning on 9th April 1890, and soon became a household name in his native Ayrshire. He equalised from a free-kick shortly before half-time in the 1920 Scottish Cup Final, as Killie beat Albion Rovers before a Hampden Park crowd of 95,000 in glorious sunshine. “In great form”, he scored nine League hat-tricks for the Rugby Park club and four goals when Hibernian were beaten 7-1 in September 1918, the first of the day followed by three late on. He represented the Scottish League against the English League, scoring after 47 minutes in a 3-1 defeat. Most notoriously, he was transferred to Clyde after being accused of not trying in a Cup replay against East Fife; having scored in the drawn tie, he was “not impressive forward” in a 1-0 defeat, the future Rover Wally Gillespie playing for East Fife, and was suspended on 7th February sine die; he scored at Ibrox on his Clyde début.
which won the Scottish Cup in 1920. His goal that day was the last scored by an ex Rovers player in the Scottish Cup Final until Josh Ginnelly scored exactly 100 years later
Biography from Bristol Rovers History Group website.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 5, 2024 15:43:34 GMT
You appear to have forgotten probably the most successful striker in the club's history Bill Culley 1926-28 57 FL Apps,45 goals; joining Rovers at the age of 33 he quickly found the net in the Third Division South after a fascinating and successful career in hos native Scotland. William Neill Culley. 1925-28. Born, 26.8.1892, Kilwinning. Died, 9.11.1955, Irvine. 5’ 9”; 11 st 4 lbs. Début: 23.1.26 v Merthyr Town. Career: 1909 Kilwinning Eglinton; September 1910 Kilwinning Rangers; 1911 Ardrossan Winton Rovers; 30.3.12 Kilmarnock; 30.4.15 Third Lanark (trial); May 1916 Renton (trial); May 1917 Airdrieonians (trial); 2.3.23 Clyde [25,5]; 6.10.24 Weymouth; 21.1.26 Bristol Rovers (£100) [57,45]; 10.8.28 Swindon Town [3,1]; September 1929 Kilmarnock [314,156]; January 1930 Galston; August 1931 Kilwinning Eglinton (to 1933). “Quick and clever, with excellent control and deadly finish”, Willie Culley followed his elder brother Robert in signing for Kilwinning Eglinton and went on to become Kilmarnock’s all-time record goal-scorer. He also scored three hat-tricks for Rovers in becoming the Pirates’ top scorer for the 1926-27 season, his three goals against Swindon Town that Easter rendering him the oldest hat-trick scorer in Rovers’ League history. This tally included four goals in a fixture against QPR that March and seventeen strikes in an impressive thirteen-match run. Astonishingly, for a man who always side-footed his penalties, he missed a penalty and scored an own goal when Rovers reserves lost 5-1 at home to Exeter City reserves on Guy Fawkes Night 1927. When he scored at Newport in September 1927, the Western Daily Press reported that “it was Bristol Rovers weather last evening – that is, it was raining”. South of the border, he also appeared for Weymouth against Rovers in the FA Cup, scored for the Dorset side against Rovers reserves and added five goals as Swindon Town reserves beat Exeter City reserves by the incredible score of 12-5 in December 1928. Two goals on his Weymouth début were followed by two hat-tricks and four goals each against Welton Rovers, Bath City and Portsea. Willie Culley’s real fame, though, came north of the border. Coming from a family of clothing manufacturers, he was the second of five sons to James Culley and Mary Ann Imrie Neill of 31 Almsidall Road, Kilwinning, who had married in Kilwinning on 9th April 1890, and soon became a household name in his native Ayrshire. He equalised from a free-kick shortly before half-time in the 1920 Scottish Cup Final, as Killie beat Albion Rovers before a Hampden Park crowd of 95,000 in glorious sunshine. “In great form”, he scored nine League hat-tricks for the Rugby Park club and four goals when Hibernian were beaten 7-1 in September 1918, the first of the day followed by three late on. He represented the Scottish League against the English League, scoring after 47 minutes in a 3-1 defeat. Most notoriously, he was transferred to Clyde after being accused of not trying in a Cup replay against East Fife; having scored in the drawn tie, he was “not impressive forward” in a 1-0 defeat, the future Rover Wally Gillespie playing for East Fife, and was suspended on 7th February sine die; he scored at Ibrox on his Clyde début. which won the Scottish Cup in 1920. His goal that day was the last scored by an ex Rovers player in the Scottish Cup Final until Josh Ginnelly scored exactly 100 years later Biography from Bristol Rovers History Group website. As stated in my very first post, all stats are since WW2, it just seemed easier as details pre 1939 are sometimes opaque... |
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Post by trymer on Sept 5, 2024 17:48:17 GMT
I would suggest our best ever striker was Barry Hayles and the metric I use for this is BH was a guy who entered the fray with Rovers from non league football. If we take a look at some of the others that were plucked direct from non league football such as Archie Stephens, Paul Randall and The Duke their averages are well below Barry's. Hayles scored on his league debut and notched 27 goals in his first season of league football - I guess just looking at the stats is the introduction to the full story. I agree over BH being the best from non-league. But tbf to Archie S, Paul R and Nathan E they came from far further down the pyramid. Non-league is a large range of clubs and standards and whilst Barry H came from the top level, the others came from far lower down so probably represented a far bigger risk and higher chance of it not working. We were very fortunate it worked so well. UTG! Good point Wareham,Paul Randall went straight into the 2nd tier and scored goals he came from Frome ? I dont know how many levels down the pyramid they were at the time. |
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