oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 9:33:02 GMT
What's your source because I see no such outcry That's because you don't look very far. Honestly Oldie,first of all on this thread you appeared scared of offering an opinion,incase you were seen as intolerant or even racist. Then eventually you came up with some dishonest pseudo intellectua, patronising rubbish. Cowardly and dishonest. Maybe stick to financial stuff,where your heart is. That's your opinion But I ask again, what's your source because I see no such outcry?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 9:52:18 GMT
That's because you don't look very far. Honestly Oldie,first of all on this thread you appeared scared of offering an opinion,incase you were seen as intolerant or even racist. Then eventually you came up with some dishonest pseudo intellectua, patronising rubbish. Cowardly and dishonest. Maybe stick to financial stuff,where your heart is. That's your opinion But I ask again, what's your source because I see no such outcry? Evidence, eg. YouTube. "Massive back lash for race swapped Anne Boleyn,as internet ruthlessly mocks new show". Perhaps BT could link it please,but if you follow my'link',you'll get there. I did'nt like it much because the black actress did'nt do a good job imo. The comment section offers more evidence. One viewer commented. 'Were Anne Boleyns last words,as her head was placed on the block ,"is it because I is black"?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 9, 2024 10:06:19 GMT
Got to say if they cast a white actor to play Bob Marley there would be a huge outcry, and rightly so ! It would be absurd. In the same way it was absurd to cast a black actress to play Anne Bolyn. What next, a BBC funded programme about the downfall of the Tory party with a black actress playing the role of Boris Johnson ! At times it does seem as though common sense has been thrown out with the bath water !
Has anyone watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? I have also watched a lot of the real inquiry that is streamed, and it's uncanny how much effort they took in casting actors/actresses that had a resemblance to the actual people they were portraying. It makes the tv series more believable.
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 10:39:34 GMT
Got to say if they cast a white actor to play Bob Marley there would be a huge outcry, and rightly so ! It would be absurd. In the same way it was absurd to cast a black actress to play Anne Bolyn. What next, a BBC funded programme about the downfall of the Tory party with a black actress playing the role of Boris Johnson ! At times it does seem as though common sense has been thrown out with the bath water ! Has anyone watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? I have also watched a lot of the real inquiry that is streamed, and it's uncanny how much effort they took in casting actors/actresses that had a resemblance to the actual people they were portraying. It makes the tv series more believable. I might agree But what is the fuss about? If these various productions are that ridiculous they will fail of their own accord. Why the outrage? I just don't get it. I have a friend in the village where I live who gets all hot and bothered about ethnic representation on television. I asked him, when you watch a programme do you count the the number of people by skin colour? Personally I just watch the programme. Which is fun right now as I started watching the Turkish Detective on BBC last night. Bloody entertaining that is to Set in Istanbul it features an English police officer of Turkish origin transferred to Istanbul. It doesn't shy away from some some of the cultural differences especially in the treatment of women. But that is not the main thrust. Well worth a watch in my opinion. Guess what? there are a couple of black actors and myriad of others who, when they speak in English, have an English accent. Looking at them I couldn't tell where they were from or what ethnic group they belonged to. But then I wasn't looking, I was enjoying the entertainment.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 10:55:30 GMT
Got to say if they cast a white actor to play Bob Marley there would be a huge outcry, and rightly so ! It would be absurd. In the same way it was absurd to cast a black actress to play Anne Bolyn. What next, a BBC funded programme about the downfall of the Tory party with a black actress playing the role of Boris Johnson ! At times it does seem as though common sense has been thrown out with the bath water ! Has anyone watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? I have also watched a lot of the real inquiry that is streamed, and it's uncanny how much effort they took in casting actors/actresses that had a resemblance to the actual people they were portraying. It makes the tv series more believable. I might agree But what is the fuss about? If these various productions are that ridiculous they will fail of their own accord. Why the outrage? I just don't get it. I have a friend in the village where I live who gets all hot and bothered about ethnic representation on television. I asked him, when you watch a programme do you count the the number of people by skin colour? Personally I just watch the programme. Which is fun right now as I started watching the Turkish Detective on BBC last night. Bloody entertaining that is to Set in Istanbul it features an English police officer of Turkish origin transferred to Istanbul. It doesn't shy away from some some of the cultural differences especially in the treatment of women. But that is not the main thrust. Well worth a watch in my opinion. Guess what? there are a couple of black actors and myriad of others who, when they speak in English, have an English accent. Looking at them I couldn't tell where they were from or what ethnic group they belonged to. But then I wasn't looking, I was enjoying the entertainment. A defender of woke,even against all evidence against. It's surely a pompous mistake. Authenticity is one of the things it's about. I gave you evidence on the YT link,read that if you feel like moving on from the early 80s.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 9, 2024 13:44:58 GMT
That's your opinion But I ask again, what's your source because I see no such outcry? Evidence, eg. YouTube. "Massive back lash for race swapped Anne Boleyn,as internet ruthlessly mocks new show". Perhaps BT could link it please,but if you follow my'link',you'll get there. I did'nt like it much because the black actress did'nt do a good job imo. The comment section offers more evidence. One viewer commented. 'Were Anne Boleyns last words,as her head was placed on the block ,"is it because I is black"?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 15:38:00 GMT
Evidence, eg. YouTube. "Massive back lash for race swapped Anne Boleyn,as internet ruthlessly mocks new show". Perhaps BT could link it please,but if you follow my'link',you'll get there. I did'nt like it much because the black actress did'nt do a good job imo. The comment section offers more evidence. One viewer commented. 'Were Anne Boleyns last words,as her head was placed on the block ,"is it because I is black"? Thank you BT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 15:40:14 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Goodness me Is this sort of rubbish standard fare on here ? šš
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 9, 2024 15:47:18 GMT
Is this sort of rubbish standard fare on here ? šš You are more than welcome to post a sensible reply to the discussion. Why don't you give it a go?
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Post by aghast on Jul 9, 2024 16:28:01 GMT
Is this sort of rubbish standard fare on here ? šš You are more than welcome to post a sensible reply to the discussion. Why don't you give it a go? It's not a sensible discussion though, is it? It's a trap, a bit of bait to lure out and trick people, and allow some others to express views which are, let's say, not progressive, and then hold their hands out and say '"What? It's just about actors....."
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 9, 2024 16:43:12 GMT
You are more than welcome to post a sensible reply to the discussion. Why don't you give it a go? It's not a sensible discussion though, is it? It's a trap, a bit of bait to lure out and trick people, and allow some others to express views which are, let's say, not progressive, and then hold their hands out and say '"What? It's just about actors....." Yes, it is becoming sensible. It's not a good thing to shout, "racism" and close down the discussion. Seriously, it would be ridiculous to cast a white actor to play Bob Marley, I think most would agree with that. Using the same logic, it is ridiculous to cast a black actor to play, say, Anne Bolyn! Nobody is trying to trick anyone.
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Post by trymer on Jul 9, 2024 17:19:46 GMT
Jesus christ....non white actor Geronimo,Cochise,Red Cloud,Spotted Tail,Crazy Horse etc...native American actor Muhammed Ali,MalcolmX,Nelson Mandela etc.... black actor British kings & queens,Churchill,Duke of Wellington,Hitler etc etc....white actor / actress
Fictional characters Dr Who....doesnt matter as he can change Shaft...black actor Sherlock Holmes, James Bond and other characters from books where they have been described have to be played by actors of the same ethnic origin so Holmes and Bond white actors.
New fictional characters or characters not described previously ...actor of any ethnic origin.
I have to wonder why a black Anne Boleyn or King Harold ? just to be right on ? tokenism ? surely its a bit patronising ?
Some interesting views,also intersting to see who wants to shut down discussion.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 10, 2024 8:26:26 GMT
Good. I like historical dramas and enjoy watching them. My concerns are more about the sound quality from most modern productions where they have people talking at the same time as background noise, making it almost impossible to hear all the dialogue. And the quality of light nowadays can be poor with many productions talking place in half-light with everything being in shades of grey making articulation very hard sometimes. Itās almost as if someone has failed to pay the electricity bill. The quality of the acting is important but the skin colour of the actors is completely unimportant and irrelevant to the drama taking place. Iām surprised anyone would start a thread under the umbrella of current affairs about actorsā skin colours. I donāt need gay actors to play gay roles, I donāt need foreign actors to play foreign roles. I donāt need English actors to play English roles, Scottish and Welsh and Spanish actors can play them. I donāt need muslims to play muslim roles nor vice versa. Itās acting and people act and itās all about the quality of their acting. Bas, you appear to be obsessed with the colour of peopleās skins and the connotations you draw from this. I think all the threads you begin are about the colour or religion of people who have a different coloured skin or religion from you. I havenāt seen a thread started by you about other current affairs, the economy, housing, transport, the environment or anything else. It is very strange. Surely though a white actor wouldnt play a 'red indian' now ? that role would be played by a native American actor, a white man blacking up to play a black man would be unacceptable and a black actor would take that role ? tbh I think that this thread is quite interesting, we as a society seem to be frightened discussing anything to do with race as people are frightened to say something that could be distorted into racism.Yes trymer, I can understand you saying that. It is an interesting thread for the reason you mention. Regarding the issue over a āblack King Haroldā (if itās true), it doesnāt worry me quite as much as it does others, and the quality of acting must be more important. My issue is the over-importance and obsession about skin colour which seems to dominate some discussions and many threads. The acting profession is one of the most diverse and accepting of differences and Iād suggest itās stronger for that. They will not be over worried about skin colour, nor am I. And Iām sure, although I donāt know, that there would be many similar examples. And you are quite right about a white man blacking-up to take a role, it wouldnāt and shouldnāt happen nowadays. Sometimes I think the acting role is such that colour is central to the plot of the performance and in those cases the colour would matter. For the role of King Harold Iām not sure thatās the case, the plot wouldnāt involve any issues of race more a struggle of the old Anglo -Saxons and the invading Normans. Colour is irrelevant in that case. (Except of course for the fact that some people pick up on it and turn it into something negative thereby making the skin colour the issue. That in itself could be considered racist)
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 10, 2024 8:41:41 GMT
Got to say if they cast a white actor to play Bob Marley there would be a huge outcry, and rightly so ! It would be absurd. In the same way it was absurd to cast a black actress to play Anne Bolyn. What next, a BBC funded programme about the downfall of the Tory party with a black actress playing the role of Boris Johnson ! At times it does seem as though common sense has been thrown out with the bath water ! Has anyone watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? I have also watched a lot of the real inquiry that is streamed, and it's uncanny how much effort they took in casting actors/actresses that had a resemblance to the actual people they were portraying. It makes the tv series more believable. Yes the examples you quote make it a sensible argument although Iām not sure a black Anne Boleyn is such a good example as Boris. As Iāve just said itās more about the role, the plot and the expected performance. Anne was, according to the primary and secondary sources, attractive, wanting power and being prepared to use her sexuality to gain it, quite manipulative and very good at persuading men to do her will. Iād say her colour wasnāt over important in casting an actress to play her. Itās about her gender far more. The plot and the back-story and expected performance is central and in some cases that would mean the skin colour of the actor being central as well. Your examples of Bob Marley, BJ and Iām sure many others could be found to support that. But in many case the plot is demanding of something else where skin colour is irrelevant, and in those cases I wouldnāt worry about the skin colour. Your last paragraph I agree with completely and being the son of a former postmaster in a small village I too have been following it. š
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 10, 2024 8:53:10 GMT
Jesus christ....non white actor Geronimo,Cochise,Red Cloud,Spotted Tail,Crazy Horse etc...native American actor Muhammed Ali,MalcolmX,Nelson Mandela etc.... black actor British kings & queens,Churchill,Duke of Wellington,Hitler etc etc....white actor / actress Fictional characters Dr Who....doesnt matter as he can change Shaft...black actor Sherlock Holmes, James Bond and other characters from books where they have been described have to be played by actors of the same ethnic origin so Holmes and Bond white actors. New fictional characters or characters not described previously ...actor of any ethnic origin. I have to wonder why a black Anne Boleyn or King Harold ? just to be right on ? tokenism ? surely its a bit patronising ? Some interesting views,also intersting to see who wants to shut down discussion. Thanks trymer. I think the examples you used in the first two paragraphs about historical figures and fictional characters are just about right although Iām not too sure about certain British Ks. Iām not worried about a black Harold, if it happens because his colour is largely irrelevant. When you say a black Anne B or Harold is tokenism or just right on Iām not sure I agree. As Iāve said the acting profession, like football is unlike the professions most of us follow. Itās different and it must be the most diverse profession there is or nearly. Iām not sure the skin colour will be that important to them and it will certainly not be as important as it is to many on here. Subsequently they will look at the role, the expectations of the plot and cast accordingly, irrespective of skin colour for most roles. Obviously in certain roles skin colour will be central but not in most.
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