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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 17:18:57 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066.
The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply.
So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg.
I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story.
Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job.
So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off.
I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 17:51:56 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Goodness me |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 18:14:11 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Goodness me Does it 'put you off' if historical figures are the wrong colour in drama Oldie? |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 18:40:27 GMT
Does it 'put you off' if historical figures are the wrong colour in drama Oldie? It obviously puts you off or you wouldn't have started the mischievous thread, despite your careful caveats. It's obvious what you are doing. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 18:55:23 GMT
Does it 'put you off' if historical figures are the wrong colour in drama Oldie? It obviously puts you off or you wouldn't have started the mischievous thread, despite your careful caveats. It's obvious what you are doing. That's what I think Aghast. It's quite unreal. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 19:32:48 GMT
Does it 'put you off' if historical figures are the wrong colour in drama Oldie? It obviously puts you off or you wouldn't have started the mischievous thread, despite your careful caveats. It's obvious what you are doing. It's news and a possible discussion. Relax. The BBC apparently think it's okay or just don't care.Goodness knows how many license paying Britons agree with them. Part of the woke culture 'war' most certainly. In the scenario the King of the Zulu was played by a white actor,I suppose we would all say in unison,that's daft. When it's say King Henry V at Agincourt played by a black actor the BBC at least,apparently feel this okay. There ought to be a clear cut rule about this because right now there's a fuss if white plays black,but not so when black plays white. Personally as I said,I'll give a black actor playing an historical figure that was white a chance ,but they would have to be a very good actor to draw me into the story. Ha! Surely this is'nt another example of where right on people (in this case Oldie and Aghast ) are scared to criticise or offer an opinion incase they look remotely intolerant or even racist!Haha! They just had a go at me! Oh dear. 😄 |
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 19:33:11 GMT
Interesting topic Bas,Jesus was always depicted as a white European which he obviously wasnt.
Jeff Chandler made a few quid play a 'red indian' in films,thats not allowed any more.
Should the actor look like the historical figure that he is portraying ? John Wayne didnt look like General Sherman for instance.
So,King Harold,I have read a description of him,would it matter if he looked different to how we imagine him to look ?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 19:43:45 GMT
Interesting topic Bas,Jesus was always depicted as a white European which he obviously wasnt. Jeff Chandler made a few quid play a 'red indian' in films,thats not allowed any more. Should the actor look like the historical figure that he is portraying ? John Wayne didnt look like General Sherman for instance. So,King Harold,I have read a description of him,would it matter if he looked different to how we imagine him to look ? That's a good question Trymer and it's why I'm willing to give any actor that might be the 'wrong colour',shape or size a chance because if they do a good job and draw you into the story,then jobs a good un. It kind of goes and eg, First reaction.That actor is black ,but King Henry V was white. Second reaction.Okay,I'll give him a chance. 3rd reaction.This depends on the script and how good an actor our black King Henry V is. Then there are great films that were historically very wrong.Brave Heart eg. Thoroughly good film ( worked wonders for the SNP ),but on historical fact,it was way off. So,we can bend the facts quite a lot in film and still create good 'art'. History lessons in books and school must of course be accurate. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 19:54:58 GMT
Interesting topic Bas,Jesus was always depicted as a white European which he obviously wasnt. Jeff Chandler made a few quid play a 'red indian' in films,thats not allowed any more. Should the actor look like the historical figure that he is portraying ? John Wayne didnt look like General Sherman for instance. So,King Harold,I have read a description of him,would it matter if he looked different to how we imagine him to look ? That's a good question Trymer and it's why I'm willing to give any actor that might be the 'wrong colour',shape or size a chance because if they do a good job and draw you into the story,then jobs a good un. It kind of goes and eg, First reaction.That actor is black ,but King Henry V was white. Second reaction.Okay,I'll give him a chance. 3rd reaction.This depends on the script and how good an actor our black King Henry V is. Then there are great films that were historically very wrong.Brave Heart eg. Thoroughly good film ( worked wonders for the SNP ),but on historical fact,it was way off. So,we can bend the facts quite a lot in film and still create good 'art'. History lessons in books and school must of course be accurate. Yes the history books must be accurate and the teachers must be knowledgeable ! not just about whats on the 'kerrikewlum'...my history teacher was hopeless. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:02:01 GMT
That's a good question Trymer and it's why I'm willing to give any actor that might be the 'wrong colour',shape or size a chance because if they do a good job and draw you into the story,then jobs a good un. It kind of goes and eg, First reaction.That actor is black ,but King Henry V was white. Second reaction.Okay,I'll give him a chance. 3rd reaction.This depends on the script and how good an actor our black King Henry V is. Then there are great films that were historically very wrong.Brave Heart eg. Thoroughly good film ( worked wonders for the SNP ),but on historical fact,it was way off. So,we can bend the facts quite a lot in film and still create good 'art'. History lessons in books and school must of course be accurate. Yes the history books must be accurate and the teachers must be knowledgeable ! not just about whats on the 'kerrikewlum'...my history teacher was hopeless. Like you Trymer I can enjoy history, but I'm afraid our history teacher could'nt control the class of chaos.I can actually remember the moment I was so despondent,caused by the racket in class, I gave up. When they talk about schools in the UK, I have never heard anyone suggest bringing back Secondary Moderns.I agree.Don't bring them back! |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:03:58 GMT
It obviously puts you off or you wouldn't have started the mischievous thread, despite your careful caveats. It's obvious what you are doing. It's news and a possible discussion. Relax. The BBC apparently think it's okay or just don't care.Goodness knows how many license paying Britons agree with them. Part of the woke culture 'war' most certainly. In the scenario the King of the Zulu was played by a white actor,I suppose we would all say in unison,that's daft. When it's say King Henry V at Agincourt played by a black actor the BBC at least,apparently feel this okay. There ought to be a clear cut rule about this because right now there's a fuss if white plays black,but not so when black plays white. Personally as I said,I'll give a black actor playing an historical figure that was white a chance ,but they would have to be a very good actor to draw me into the story. Ha! Surely this is'nt another example of where right on people (in this case Oldie and Aghast ) are scared to criticise or offer an opinion incase they look remotely intolerant or even racist!Haha! They just had a go at me! Oh dear. 😄 What a lot of wasted words. I know what you are. And you do too. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 20:05:54 GMT
It's news and a possible discussion. Relax. The BBC apparently think it's okay or just don't care.Goodness knows how many license paying Britons agree with them. Part of the woke culture 'war' most certainly. In the scenario the King of the Zulu was played by a white actor,I suppose we would all say in unison,that's daft. When it's say King Henry V at Agincourt played by a black actor the BBC at least,apparently feel this okay. There ought to be a clear cut rule about this because right now there's a fuss if white plays black,but not so when black plays white. Personally as I said,I'll give a black actor playing an historical figure that was white a chance ,but they would have to be a very good actor to draw me into the story. Ha! Surely this is'nt another example of where right on people (in this case Oldie and Aghast ) are scared to criticise or offer an opinion incase they look remotely intolerant or even racist!Haha! They just had a go at me! Oh dear. 😄 What a lot of wasted words. I know what you are. And you do too. I have to say thats the second post of innuendo that you have made on this thread,you obviously want to say something so why dont you man up and say it ? |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:10:02 GMT
What a lot of wasted words. I know what you are. And you do too. I have to say thats the second post of innuendo that you have made on this thread,you obviously want to say something so why dont you man up and say it ? He doesn't like black people playing white roles. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:10:37 GMT
It's news and a possible discussion. Relax. The BBC apparently think it's okay or just don't care.Goodness knows how many license paying Britons agree with them. Part of the woke culture 'war' most certainly. In the scenario the King of the Zulu was played by a white actor,I suppose we would all say in unison,that's daft. When it's say King Henry V at Agincourt played by a black actor the BBC at least,apparently feel this okay. There ought to be a clear cut rule about this because right now there's a fuss if white plays black,but not so when black plays white. Personally as I said,I'll give a black actor playing an historical figure that was white a chance ,but they would have to be a very good actor to draw me into the story. Ha! Surely this is'nt another example of where right on people (in this case Oldie and Aghast ) are scared to criticise or offer an opinion incase they look remotely intolerant or even racist!Haha! They just had a go at me! Oh dear. 😄 What a lot of wasted words. I know what you are. And you do too. Well you have the advantage on me,I don't know "what you are" because you're apparently too scared to offer an opinion on a topical subject. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:17:23 GMT
I have to say thats the second post of innuendo that you have made on this thread,you obviously want to say something so why dont you man up and say it ? He doesn't like black people playing white roles. My preference would be eg,black plays black,white plays white fat plays fat,thin plays thin,etc.But as I've stated,I'll give a black actor playing a white part a chance,but because my first reaction would be and for eg,King Henry V was white ,not black,then the acting needs to be of as high quality to draw me into the story. Now,if someone did'nt like a black actor playing a famous white person,would that be wrong or even racist? I ask because you seem het up and as yet have not offered an opinion on the subject in question. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:17:28 GMT
What a lot of wasted words. I know what you are. And you do too. Well you have the advantage on me,I don't know "what you are" because you're apparently too scared to offer an opinion on a topical subject. If I was 'scared' I wouldn't have come on here to offer opinions about a variety of subjects. I would have stayed silent, but as this is a public forum, of which I am currently a longstanding member, I've decided to challenge some of the views I oppose, and will do so unless you or others manage to get me banned, which has already been discussed. Didn't take long. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:19:46 GMT
He doesn't like black people playing white roles. My preference would be eg,black plays black,white plays white fat plays fat,thin plays thin,etc.But as I've stated,I'll give a black actor playing a white part a chance,but because my first reaction would be and for eg,King Henry V was white ,not black,then the acting needs to be of as high quality to draw me into the story. Now,if someone did'nt like a black actor playing a famous white person,would that be wrong or even racist? I ask because you seem het up and as yet have not offered an opinion on the subject in question. I don't have an opinion other than I like to see an good actor in a role. That's it. |
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 20:25:48 GMT
Thinking about it whats the point in getting a black actor to play King Harold ? just some kind of 'right on' nonsense ?
Most people would agree that blackface is a thing of the past how is this different ?
Shouls a black actor play the role of Edward Colston in a film ? or the commandant of Auschwitz ?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:26:51 GMT
Well you have the advantage on me,I don't know "what you are" because you're apparently too scared to offer an opinion on a topical subject. If I was 'scared' I wouldn't have come on here to offer opinions about a variety of subjects. I would have stayed silent, but as this is a public forum, of which I am currently a longstanding member, I've decided to challenge some of the views I oppose, and will do so unless you or others manage to get me banned, which has already been discussed. Didn't take long. Yet you still hav'nt actually offered your opinion on the thread opener,or the other question I asked you. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:32:44 GMT
If I was 'scared' I wouldn't have come on here to offer opinions about a variety of subjects. I would have stayed silent, but as this is a public forum, of which I am currently a longstanding member, I've decided to challenge some of the views I oppose, and will do so unless you or others manage to get me banned, which has already been discussed. Didn't take long. Yet you still hav'nt actually offered your opinion on the thread opener,or the other question I asked you. Well I have but you just haven't been able to understand my responses. |
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