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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:44:25 GMT
Thinking about it whats the point in getting a black actor to play King Harold ? just some kind of 'right on' nonsense ? Most people would agree that blackface is a thing of the past how is this different ? Shouls a black actor play the role of Edward Colston in a film ? or the commandant of Auschwitz ? 😄 This is why there should be a rule set Trymer. Black Queens of England okay with BBC,but white Queens of African tribes not okay. It's clearly right on nonsense from our Guardian reading BBC. Even then,I could be taken in if the acting and script is of a high standard. I would put money on most people would say it's right on daft. This is the woke thing of course. When Brits go abroad we're expected to go by the "when in Rome" rule and most are happy to follow that.Interesting and respectful. Then those that shout the most about respecting other people's culture when abroad , think that rule does'nt apply to immigrants in the UK.Bless em. Clearly nonsense,but that's dear old Blighty. Back to acting,I am a Sherlock Holmes fan,Basil Rathbone being my favourite with the American Robert Downey Junior being very good too ( a perfect English accent,trained whilst playing Charlie Chaplain I think I read ). In the scenario a black actor was chosen to play Sherlock in a new film,i mighht at first think 'oh no'!But on giving him a chance I might really enjoy it.Maybe easier because Sherlock only existed in Conan Doyles books.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 20:52:12 GMT
I am trying to imagine the furore if there was a film made about Nelson Mandela and Ray Winston was given the NM role....
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 20:56:37 GMT
I am trying to imagine the furore if there was a film made about Nelson Mandela and Ray Winston was given the NM role.... With Roy Chubby Brown as Winnie Mandela .
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 21:26:09 GMT
I think, what you do not understand is actors act the role, mostly fictional, not the fictional person themselves.
In that case the colour of the actors skin is utterly irrelevant.
I hate to imagine the images in your mind when reading Dicken's "The Merchant of Venice" and Shylock enters stage left.
In your mind's eye, what do you see?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 21:34:37 GMT
I think, what you do not understand is actors act the role, mostly fictional, not the fictional person themselves. In that case the colour of the actors skin is utterly irrelevant. I hate to imagine the images in your mind when reading Dicken's "The Merchant of Venice" and Shylock enters stage left. In your mind's eye, what do you see? I think I do understand actors act the role Oldie because as I've stated,if an actor performs to a high standard, I can be drawn in and enjoy the performance,regardless of colour,shape,size etc. A few years ago I saw a film about a famous white fictional character ,played by an Asian brown actor. It was very good.I'll edit the title in when I remember it. Edit. The Personal History Of David Copperfield. Starring role Dev Patel ( English as it turns out). I enjoyed it.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 8, 2024 22:17:08 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Good. I like historical dramas and enjoy watching them. My concerns are more about the sound quality from most modern productions where they have people talking at the same time as background noise, making it almost impossible to hear all the dialogue. And the quality of light nowadays can be poor with many productions talking place in half-light with everything being in shades of grey making articulation very hard sometimes. It’s almost as if someone has failed to pay the electricity bill. The quality of the acting is important but the skin colour of the actors is completely unimportant and irrelevant to the drama taking place. I’m surprised anyone would start a thread under the umbrella of current affairs about actors’ skin colours. I don’t need gay actors to play gay roles, I don’t need foreign actors to play foreign roles. I don’t need English actors to play English roles, Scottish and Welsh and Spanish actors can play them. I don’t need muslims to play muslim roles nor vice versa. It’s acting and people act and it’s all about the quality of their acting. Bas, you appear to be obsessed with the colour of people’s skins and the connotations you draw from this. I think all the threads you begin are about the colour or religion of people who have a different coloured skin or religion from you. I haven’t seen a thread started by you about other current affairs, the economy, housing, transport, the environment or anything else. It is very strange.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 8, 2024 22:25:05 GMT
Thinking about it whats the point in getting a black actor to play King Harold ? just some kind of 'right on' nonsense ? Most people would agree that blackface is a thing of the past how is this different ? Shouls a black actor play the role of Edward Colston in a film ? or the commandant of Auschwitz ? 😄 This is why there should be a rule set Trymer. Black Queens of England okay with BBC,but white Queens of African tribes not okay. It's clearly right on nonsense from our Guardian reading BBC. Even then,I could be taken in if the acting and script is of a high standard. I would put money on most people would say it's right on daft. This is the woke thing of course. When Brits go abroad we're expected to go by the "when in Rome" rule and most are happy to follow that.Interesting and respectful. Then those that shout the most about respecting other people's culture when abroad , think that rule does'nt apply to immigrants in the UK.Bless em. Clearly nonsense,but that's dear old Blighty. Back to acting,I am a Sherlock Holmes fan,Basil Rathbone being my favourite with the American Robert Downey Junior being very good too ( a perfect English accent,trained whilst playing Charlie Chaplain I think I read ). In the scenario a black actor was chosen to play Sherlock in a new film,i mighht at first think 'oh no'!But on giving him a chance I might really enjoy it.Maybe easier because Sherlock only existed in Conan Doyles books. Bas, you are aware that black people played a prominent part in the Roman Empire. Or aren’t you? One of the features of the Roman Empire was the ability of all people, slaves as well, to achieve important positions in government and society. Septimius Severus, a Roman Emperor in the 2nd century AD was black. He came from Libya or Algeria I think.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 6:57:38 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Good. I like historical dramas and enjoy watching them. My concerns are more about the sound quality from most modern productions where they have people talking at the same time as background noise, making it almost impossible to hear all the dialogue. And the quality of light nowadays can be poor with many productions talking place in half-light with everything being in shades of grey making articulation very hard sometimes. It’s almost as if someone has failed to pay the electricity bill. The quality of the acting is important but the skin colour of the actors is completely unimportant and irrelevant to the drama taking place. I’m surprised anyone would start a thread under the umbrella of current affairs about actors’ skin colours.  I don’t need gay actors to play gay roles, I don’t need foreign actors to play foreign roles. I don’t need English actors to play English roles, Scottish and Welsh and Spanish actors can play them. I don’t need muslims to play muslim roles nor vice versa. It’s acting and people act and it’s all about the quality of their acting. Bas, you appear to be obsessed with the colour of people’s skins and the connotations you draw from this. I think all the threads you begin are about the colour or religion of people who have a different coloured skin or religion from you. I haven’t seen a thread started by you about other current affairs, the economy, housing, transport, the environment or anything else. It is very strange. You did quite well until the last paragraph and so that casts doubt on one or two points you made. A few thread titles I've started quite recently. English Wine. GB News. Banning of Words. National Service George Galloway Comedian Dane Baptiste SNP Weight Loss Techniques.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 7:02:06 GMT
😄 This is why there should be a rule set Trymer. Black Queens of England okay with BBC,but white Queens of African tribes not okay. It's clearly right on nonsense from our Guardian reading BBC. Even then,I could be taken in if the acting and script is of a high standard. I would put money on most people would say it's right on daft. This is the woke thing of course. When Brits go abroad we're expected to go by the "when in Rome" rule and most are happy to follow that.Interesting and respectful. Then those that shout the most about respecting other people's culture when abroad , think that rule does'nt apply to immigrants in the UK.Bless em. Clearly nonsense,but that's dear old Blighty. Back to acting,I am a Sherlock Holmes fan,Basil Rathbone being my favourite with the American Robert Downey Junior being very good too ( a perfect English accent,trained whilst playing Charlie Chaplain I think I read ). In the scenario a black actor was chosen to play Sherlock in a new film,i mighht at first think 'oh no'!But on giving him a chance I might really enjoy it.Maybe easier because Sherlock only existed in Conan Doyles books. Bas, you are aware that black people played a prominent part in the Roman Empire. Or aren’t you? One of the features of the Roman Empire was the ability of all people, slaves as well, to achieve important positions in government and society. Septimius Severus, a Roman Emperor in the 2nd century AD was black. He came from Libya or Algeria I think. Open to debate the skin colour of Septimus Severus Plenty of North Africans had brown colour skin,the Emporor in question was probably not black.Black History Months desperate search for links towards historical fame has led to some factual truths,some exaggeration and some deliberate untruths.Its a politically motivated group,best remember that Wareham. Also,my "when in Rome" point had absolutely nothing to do with skin colour.
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Post by trymer on Jul 9, 2024 7:23:29 GMT
I think, what you do not understand is actors act the role, mostly fictional, not the fictional person themselves. In that case the colour of the actors skin is utterly irrelevant. I hate to imagine the images in your mind when reading Dicken's "The Merchant of Venice" and Shylock enters stage left. In your mind's eye, what do you see? King Harold wasnt a fictional figure though, on fictional roles Shaft had to be black,imagine if they would have made more films and used a white actor there would have been total ridicule and derision. Surely you mean Shakespeares 'Merchant of Venice' ?...Dickens 'Oliver' has the character Fagin who I believe was based on a bloke called Ikey Solomons...the musical Oliver would never be made now.
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Post by trymer on Jul 9, 2024 7:28:26 GMT
The BBC have a drama coming up,about the fight for the throne between William and Harold,1066. The actors used will not be all white."Colour blind casting" to apply. So Harold might look like the 'Punk-a-walla' off it 'Ain't Half Hot Mum',eg. I'm not necessarily against this colour blindness casting,as long as the script and acting is of a good enough quality to draw me into the story. Last year sometime I think,there was a costume drama and a black actress played a British Queen. I was'nt very impressed, but not because the Queen in question would of been a whiter shade of white in reality,but because I did'nt think the actress did a very good job. So in a nut shell,I don't mind the colour blindness casting ,but I think the black actors playing white or white actors playing black,really have to do a very good job to pull it off. I said at the time, Bob Mortimer should of got the Bob Marley role. Good. I like historical dramas and enjoy watching them. My concerns are more about the sound quality from most modern productions where they have people talking at the same time as background noise, making it almost impossible to hear all the dialogue. And the quality of light nowadays can be poor with many productions talking place in half-light with everything being in shades of grey making articulation very hard sometimes. It’s almost as if someone has failed to pay the electricity bill. The quality of the acting is important but the skin colour of the actors is completely unimportant and irrelevant to the drama taking place. I’m surprised anyone would start a thread under the umbrella of current affairs about actors’ skin colours. I don’t need gay actors to play gay roles, I don’t need foreign actors to play foreign roles. I don’t need English actors to play English roles, Scottish and Welsh and Spanish actors can play them. I don’t need muslims to play muslim roles nor vice versa. It’s acting and people act and it’s all about the quality of their acting. Bas, you appear to be obsessed with the colour of people’s skins and the connotations you draw from this. I think all the threads you begin are about the colour or religion of people who have a different coloured skin or religion from you. I haven’t seen a thread started by you about other current affairs, the economy, housing, transport, the environment or anything else. It is very strange. Surely though a white actor wouldnt play a 'red indian' now ? that role would be played by a native American actor, a white man blacking up to play a black man would be unacceptable and a black actor would take that role ? tbh I think that this thread is quite interesting, we as a society seem to be frightened discussing anything to do with race as people are frightened to say something that could be distorted into racism.
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 8:08:10 GMT
I think, what you do not understand is actors act the role, mostly fictional, not the fictional person themselves. In that case the colour of the actors skin is utterly irrelevant. I hate to imagine the images in your mind when reading Dicken's "The Merchant of Venice" and Shylock enters stage left. In your mind's eye, what do you see? King Harold wasnt a fictional figure though, on fictional roles Shaft had to be black,imagine if they would have made more films and used a white actor there would have been total ridicule and derision. Surely you mean Shakespeares 'Merchant of Venice' ?...Dickens 'Oliver' has the character Fagin who I believe was based on a bloke called Ikey Solomons...the musical Oliver would never be made now. Spotted!! I started to write something else but was interrupted and on return mixed up authors. I get your point on historical figures being fact and not fiction, but I maintain that actors are acting a role, not the person. Skin colour is irrelevant
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 9, 2024 8:14:34 GMT
King Harold wasnt a fictional figure though, on fictional roles Shaft had to be black,imagine if they would have made more films and used a white actor there would have been total ridicule and derision. Surely you mean Shakespeares 'Merchant of Venice' ?...Dickens 'Oliver' has the character Fagin who I believe was based on a bloke called Ikey Solomons...the musical Oliver would never be made now. Spotted!! I started to write something else but was interrupted and on return mixed up authors. I get your point on historical figures being fact and not fiction, but I maintain that actors are acting a role, not the person. Skin colour is irrelevant I'm looking forward to seeing Gerald Butler play Kunte Kinte in the re-make of Roots ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I understand this view that actors are just acting, but sometimes the skin colour of the actor is important in playing the role. Whether that is right or wrong is not up to me to decide.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 9, 2024 8:27:09 GMT
We've been here before. gasheads.org/thread/10261/007 Sadly TTWD left the platform. Due to wasting his time trying to argue with blinkered idiots.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 8:44:06 GMT
Spotted!! I started to write something else but was interrupted and on return mixed up authors. I get your point on historical figures being fact and not fiction, but I maintain that actors are acting a role, not the person. Skin colour is irrelevant I'm looking forward to seeing Gerald Butler play Kunte Kinte in the re-make of Roots ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I understand this view that actors are just acting, but sometimes the skin colour of the actor is important in playing the role. Whether that is right or wrong is not up to me to decide. I suspect the mass majority of Britons agree with your point Nobby.
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 8:53:38 GMT
We've been here before. gasheads.org/thread/10261/007 Sadly TTWD left the platform. Due to wasting his time trying to argue with blinkered idiots. What's the point linking to a post that no one can access?
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 8:55:04 GMT
Spotted!! I started to write something else but was interrupted and on return mixed up authors. I get your point on historical figures being fact and not fiction, but I maintain that actors are acting a role, not the person. Skin colour is irrelevant I'm looking forward to seeing Gerald Butler play Kunte Kinte in the re-make of Roots ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I understand this view that actors are just acting, but sometimes the skin colour of the actor is important in playing the role. Whether that is right or wrong is not up to me to decide. Probably But what is the big fuss? Who, in reality, actually cares?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 9:12:31 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing Gerald Butler play Kunte Kinte in the re-make of Roots ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I understand this view that actors are just acting, but sometimes the skin colour of the actor is important in playing the role. Whether that is right or wrong is not up to me to decide. Probably But what is the big fuss? Who, in reality, actually cares? Actors,cinema goers,historians,anti woke people. There's a few million.
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2024 9:24:29 GMT
Probably But what is the big fuss? Who, in reality, actually cares? Actors,cinema goers,historians,anti woke people. There's a few million. What's your source because I see no such outcry
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Post by baselswh on Jul 9, 2024 9:29:36 GMT
Actors,cinema goers,historians,anti woke people. There's a few million. What's your source because I see no such outcry That's because you don't look very far. Honestly Oldie,first of all on this thread you appeared scared of offering an opinion,incase you were seen as intolerant or even racist. Then eventually you came up with some dishonest pseudo intellectua, patronising rubbish. Cowardly and dishonest. Maybe stick to financial stuff,where your heart is.
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