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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 13:51:25 GMT
"You want to point fingers Nobby but your party of choice did not implement the Dilnot cap and scrapped it in 2016." - No Oldie. Check the link I posted previously. The White Paper was published by the Tory Johnson government in 2019. It is not just the cap that has been scrapped, but the whole programme which included, but not limited to :- "On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years. At the Autumn Spending Review 2021, it was confirmed that £1.7 billion of this funding would be for major improvements across the adult social care system. This white paper sets out how some of this money will be spent to begin to transform the adult social care system in England, such as new investments in: housing and home adaptations technology and digitisation workforce training and wellbeing support support for unpaid carers, and improved information and advice innovation and improvement Together, these measures aim to put people at the heart of social care and move us towards our 10-year reform vision." Jesus Christ Nobby. So the 2021 paper announced all the things you say to be completed over 3 years. Let me think, 2021 + 3 = 2024. So all done right? Nothing to scrap, but the bit that was not done, the cost cap. No Oldie, you are wrong yet again. Read the link! It's the official government website. On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years. At the Autumn Spending Review 2021, it was confirmed that £1.7 billion of this funding would be for major improvements across the adult social care system. " - Started Sep 2021 and all part of a 10-year plan. Once again I cannot believe you support scrapping this plan. We both know people who are desperately in need of these reforms. In the old days, we would have called these cuts to Road, Rail, Social Care, and Hospitals 'austerity'. Next up in the Autumn budget look like including, 30% tax on Pension Contributions. Higher Capital Gains Tax, higher Inheritance Tax, fuel duty will go up, means tested Pensions resulting in even more OAP's paying more tax, higher Corporation Tax and all of this is meant to grow the economy? All to pay for massive pay rises in the Public Sector. Yep, this is a sure fire way to grow the economy !
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 14:28:07 GMT
Nobby You are dancing on pin heads again, from your quote
""On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years"
So it's done, right?
No of course not.
It's coming out and people are jumping in
"But the true scale of the number-fudging surprised even Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, who commented that “some of the specifics are indeed shocking”, and that Hunt’s £10bn cut to National Insurance, in light of huge overspends that he almost certainly knew about, “looks ever less defensible”. Rachel Reeves, he concluded, “is right to be cross”; the wafer-thin fiscal headroom left for her by Hunt has evaporated as the problems he failed to acknowledge, such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants, must now be accounted for properly."
"The one person to whom none of this would be in the least bit surprising is Hunt himself. From his side of the Commons, this looks like a game well played, a successful attempt to shunt as much cost and difficulty into this parliament as possible – a plan for chaos, if you will."
"This is of course an unbelievably glib and self-serving way to run a country, as if it were a game in which the fiscal policies that dictate whether millions of people can live well are just strategies for keeping one’s job and maybe becoming leader of the Conservative Party."
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 14:49:26 GMT
"such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants" - not a costed spend as they would have been sent to Rwanda. This is a costing that Labour have inflicted upon themselves.
"so, it's done, right?" - Bloody hell, do you ever read anything. It was part of a 10 year plan!
You always claim that wealth redistribution is the key to solving most of our problems. You have a funny way of showing it, or when you claim that, are you just virtue signaling?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 30, 2024 15:47:57 GMT
Labour attacks free speech.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2024 16:45:42 GMT
"such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants" - not a costed spend as they would have been sent to Rwanda. This is a costing that Labour have inflicted upon themselves."so, it's done, right?" - Bloody hell, do you ever read anything. It was part of a 10 year plan! You always claim that wealth redistribution is the key to solving most of our problems. You have a funny way of showing it, or when you claim that, are you just virtue signaling? £700mln spent and 4 volunteers sent. How much to send the 000's on the waiting list. Labour have already used one of those flights to take failed asylum seekers out of the country to Vietnam. How much would the Tories have spent - apparently prepared to spend up to £10bln Nobby while people still sat in hotels or on a dodgy boat. How many would have gone for that? Would you have supported that? If you speed up processing, costs fall as people come out of hotels and/or are deported. It's logical.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2024 16:46:30 GMT
Labour attacks free speech. In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:00:19 GMT
"such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants" - not a costed spend as they would have been sent to Rwanda. This is a costing that Labour have inflicted upon themselves."so, it's done, right?" - Bloody hell, do you ever read anything. It was part of a 10 year plan! You always claim that wealth redistribution is the key to solving most of our problems. You have a funny way of showing it, or when you claim that, are you just virtue signaling? £700mln spent and 4 volunteers sent. How much to send the 000's on the waiting list. Labour have already used one of those flights to take failed asylum seekers out of the country to Vietnam. How much would the Tories have spent - apparently prepared to spend up to £10bln Nobby while people still sat in hotels or on a dodgy boat. How many would have gone for that? Would you have supported that? If you speed up processing, costs fall as people come out of hotels and/or are deported. It's logical. How are they going to deport people when we already know that this is a major problem in the past? Where do we deport people with no papers as we don't know where they have come from? The figure of 10 billion is just a finger in the sky number. I haven't seen a single piece of evidence to prove this. Labour's idea of 'speeding up the process' is to grant Asylum to the 90,000 currently on the list and then move them from hotels and farm them out for local councils to accommodate. Good luck with local councils having to find them accommodation. Labour do not have a policy for illegal immigration.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:01:57 GMT
Labour attacks free speech. In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 19:39:53 GMT
What a lying hypocrite.
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Post by trymer on Jul 30, 2024 20:13:16 GMT
I can see a pensioner crimewave,what have they got to lose ? if they go to prison they get fed and dont have to worry about heating bills. Best idea would be to go to France,buy a dinghy,sail to Britain chucking your passport in the sea,straight into a nice hotel,food provided,hot water,heating,TV,better than a lot of OAPs have got.
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 20:16:06 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 20:16:41 GMT
I can see a pensioner crimewave,what have they got to lose ? if they go to prison they get fed and dont have to worry about heating bills. Best idea would be to go to France,buy a dinghy,sail to Britain chucking your passport in the sea,straight into a nice hotel,food provided,hot water,heating,TV,better than a lot of OAPs have got. 😂😂😂
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 20:18:18 GMT
In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent? You are kidding. Any protest that caused a nuisance will get you arrested
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 20:29:29 GMT
£700mln spent and 4 volunteers sent. How much to send the 000's on the waiting list. Labour have already used one of those flights to take failed asylum seekers out of the country to Vietnam. How much would the Tories have spent - apparently prepared to spend up to £10bln Nobby while people still sat in hotels or on a dodgy boat. How many would have gone for that? Would you have supported that? If you speed up processing, costs fall as people come out of hotels and/or are deported. It's logical. How are they going to deport people when we already know that this is a major problem in the past? Where do we deport people with no papers as we don't know where they have come from? The figure of 10 billion is just a finger in the sky number. I haven't seen a single piece of evidence to prove this. Labour's idea of 'speeding up the process' is to grant Asylum to the 90,000 currently on the list and then move them from hotels and farm them out for local councils to accommodate. Good luck with local councils having to find them accommodation. Labour do not have a policy for illegal immigration. You mean apart from the one that says they won't waste £700 million deporting refugees to Rwanda, to not waste money paying hotel costs and to process people? Those?
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 20:30:24 GMT
Labour attacks free speech. In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. Don't bother Chesh
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 21:17:25 GMT
In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. Don't bother Chesh No Oldie, as I asked, how many 'peaceful non-violent protests' were banned by the Tories? Where is the evidence? There really is no point in repeating these internet myths. Where are the 'facts' that you insist are important?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2024 21:22:51 GMT
In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent? Have you not read the charges against the Just Stop Oil protestors Nobby. Their protests though annoying and a nuisance to many were non violent. They are now in prison with lengthy jail sentences because of recent legislation not long standing legislation.
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Post by oldie on Jul 30, 2024 21:24:42 GMT
How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent? Have you not read the charges against the Just Stop Oil protestors Nobby. Their protests though annoying and a nuisance to many were non violent. They are now in prison with lengthy jail sentences because of recent legislation not long standing legislation. Some people just don't want to see it Chesh
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 22:22:44 GMT
How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent? Have you not read the charges against the Just Stop Oil protestors Nobby. Their protests though annoying and a nuisance to many were non violent. They are now in prison with lengthy jail sentences because of recent legislation not long standing legislation. And so they should be. They had multiple convictions. The law of the !and dictates that if you keep breaking the law, your punishment will get tougher. They stopped Ambulances taking people to hospital's. People missed funerals of their loved ones. People couldn't get to work, which especially affected those paid by the hour. Their non-violent protest wasn't banned, so it doesn't qualify. So, once again, how many non-violent peaceful protests were banned? Give us evidence, or as Oldie insists, facts!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 22:25:10 GMT
Have you not read the charges against the Just Stop Oil protestors Nobby. Their protests though annoying and a nuisance to many were non violent. They are now in prison with lengthy jail sentences because of recent legislation not long standing legislation. Some people just don't want to see it Chesh Go on Oldie, same question to you. How many peaceful non-violent protests were banned? Give us evidence. C'mon, It's two of you against me. Where is the evidence?
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