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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 9:32:23 GMT
Growing unease in NHS about 'broken' messaging, BBC told Health Secretary Wes Streeting with a serious expression IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES Image caption, Wes Streeting has declared the NHS "broken" Article information Author, Nick Triggle Role, Health correspondent Twitter, @nicktriggle 25 September 2024 There is growing unease within the NHS about the government’s "broken" messaging, the BBC has learned. Senior sources in the health service have told the BBC they believe some of the claims have gone too far - and may result in patients being put off seeking help and causing lasting damage to staff morale. When Wes Streeting was made health secretary in England, he declared the NHS "broken" - a phrase he and others in government have used repeatedly since. That has been followed up recently with claims cancer is a "death sentence" because of NHS failings, while maternity services "shame" the nation. But the government said it was important "to be honest" about the scale of the challenge. The revelations come ahead of Mr Streeting addressing the Labour Party conference in Liverpool later. The BBC has spoken to senior people in the health service as well as officials within NHS England. One hospital leader told the BBC: "We understand the politics of what the government is doing - they feel they need establish in the public’s mind what a difficult inheritance they have been given. "It's something the Tories did very effectively in 2010 and even back in 1979 over the winter of discontent. "But there's an increasing nervousness that if it continues much longer it could spook patients and make it really difficult to raise staff morale. Hope is important." 'Wrong tone' Similar views are being expressed privately at NHS England. Sources there said officials had made the government aware of its concerns about the messaging and is monitoring the impact it is having on patients coming forward for check-ups and appointments. "We are not seeing anything in the figures to suggest it's having an impact, but we are keeping a close eye on it," one source said. Another hospital leader said: "If the government isn’t careful it will cause lasting damage. Yes, we know there are many problems, but there is also lots of great care out there that is not being recognised. "We need to see a shift - the cancer death sentence phrasing strikes completely the wrong tone." The death sentence claim was made in a written response from government to a story covered by the BBC last week about the variation in waiting times by different cancers, and in the House of Commons by Streeting on 12 September, the day Lord Ara Darzi published his report into the state of the NHS. In both cases, it was suggested Lord Darzi’s report found cancer was "more likely to be a death sentence for NHS patients than those in other countries". Lord Darzi did not use the phrase death sentence in his report, although he did point out the UK had higher cancer mortality rates. Lord Darzi has been approached for comment, but is yet to respond. When asked for a response to the language, Cancer Research UK pointed the BBC to data showing that one in two people diagnosed with cancer now survive at least 10 years. Meanwhile, the phrase "national shame" was used by Mr Streeting in response to a report by the Care Quality Commission report last week, which found two in three maternity units were not safe enough. Sir Julian Hartley, of NHS Providers, which represents health leaders, said it was important to recognise what the NHS was doing well and the efforts of staff who were working "flat out". "There’s a lot to be proud of despite ongoing concerns and difficulties," he added. Sir Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting addressing NHS staff at University College London Hospital As I said ghastly , you’ll find all the links if you Want to , you don’t want to , or are you going to claim the bbc is not a reliable link 🙄🙄 Could you copy and paste properly please, thanks
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Post by baldrick on Sept 25, 2024 9:33:29 GMT
Is there a competition this morning for the biggest torrent of meaningless posts? Yes and you've just won 1st prize! Oi! I demand a recount.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 9:44:07 GMT
Once again, why don't the UK look at the German model for the unemployed. If you lose your job for the first year of unemployment they will give you 70% of your previous wage. In year two of being unemployed it drops to 50%. Year three it's 30%. After three years it's nothing. Their thinking goes that one year should be long enough to find another job, so the 70% is designed so that people/families can still live normally ie. the kids can still go to music/dance lessons etc. After three years it's not exactly nothing but they stop paying you based on your last wage. Then you drop into the basic level of benefits, which is pretty low. PS - I may have got some of the percentages wrong (things change) but you get my drift. Yep, not much wrong with that, in principle. But, if the applicant is already on in work benefits, is that a real incentive? My feel is that we should stop looking just at income but also look at costs. Our housing market is a shambles and probably the cost of owning/renting a home causes a huge strain on personal budgets, in work. Out of work it is untenable and housing benefit payments and homelessness (in the worse case scenario) is costing a bloody fortune. It's a supply and demand issue. We have a falling population, fewer births etc, yet apparently we need a lot more homes. You support mass immigration, which is the main driver with the demand issue. You can't have one without the other !
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 9:45:19 GMT
Labour Government cabinet exposed. The Daily Express has discovered that in fact they are not human, but non binary Martians presenting as humanoids. According to a certain member of this forum And you moan about others posting nonsense?
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Post by francegas on Sept 25, 2024 10:55:52 GMT
Labour Government cabinet exposed. The Daily Express has discovered that in fact they are not human, but non binary Martians presenting as humanoids. According to a certain member of this forum Mind you Rachel Reeves did sound like a Dalek in her conference speech the other day.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 10:59:05 GMT
Labour Government cabinet exposed. The Daily Express has discovered that in fact they are not human, but non binary Martians presenting as humanoids. According to a certain member of this forum Mind you Rachel Reeves did sound like a Dalek in her conference speech the other day. She comes across as being totally out of her depth.
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 11:12:24 GMT
Mind you Rachel Reeves did sound like a Dalek in her conference speech the other day. She comes across as being totally out of her depth. That's the constant narrative from the Telegraph etc. Even though she has yet to deliver a budget. Headline confirmation bias if ever was one.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 11:14:20 GMT
She comes across as being totally out of her depth. That's the constant narrative from the Telegraph etc. Even though she has yet to deliver a budget. Headline confirmation bias if ever was one. No. It's just my opinion after listening to her.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 11:15:01 GMT
Mind you Rachel Reeves did sound like a Dalek in her conference speech the other day. She comes across as being totally out of her depth. Well, she hasn't managed to crash the economy nor almost wipe out pension pots like Kwasi Kwarteng, who bizarrely still gets invited onto TV to tell Labour how to manage the economy!
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 25, 2024 11:16:19 GMT
Labour Government cabinet exposed. The Daily Express has discovered that in fact they are not human, but non binary Martians presenting as humanoids. According to a certain member of this forum Mind you Rachel Reeves did sound like a Dalek in her conference speech the other day. Now now, it took the BBC 2 years to develop the Dalek..Ms Reeves however..🤔
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 11:17:08 GMT
That's the constant narrative from the Telegraph etc. Even though she has yet to deliver a budget. Headline confirmation bias if ever was one. No. It's just my opinion after listening to her. Which of course you are entitled to, but there is, I would argue, zero evidence for or against her, yet. That will come over the balance of this financial year.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 11:21:28 GMT
She comes across as being totally out of her depth. Well, she hasn't managed to crash the economy nor almost wipe out pension pots like Kwasi Kwarteng, who bizarrely still gets invited onto TV to tell Labour how to manage the economy! We'll leave that to her first budget.
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 11:23:34 GMT
Well, she hasn't managed to crash the economy nor almost wipe out pension pots like Kwasi Kwarteng, who bizarrely still gets invited onto TV to tell Labour how to manage the economy! We'll leave that to her first budget. Precisely
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 11:26:22 GMT
Well, she hasn't managed to crash the economy nor almost wipe out pension pots like Kwasi Kwarteng, who bizarrely still gets invited onto TV to tell Labour how to manage the economy! We'll leave that to her first budget. The Tory press doesn't seem to want to, nor ex Tory MPs who are lining up to tell her how to run the country so efficiently..... The propaganda is working very well so far.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 25, 2024 11:57:03 GMT
Unions win non-binding vote calling for Labour to scrap winter fuel payment cuts..by Jennifer McKiernan, Political reporter, reporting from Liverpool
ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/3fbf/live/50217420-7b29-11ef-8c1a-df523ba43a9a.jpg Unite's Sharon Graham The conference moves onto taking a non-binding vote on whether to reversing the government's decision to means-test winter fuel payments. Despite some disquiet among Labour MPs and opposition from the other parties in Parliament, the government won its vote a fortnight ago to implement the cuts by a majority of 120. Throughout Labour's conference, trade unions have been urging Chancellor Rachel Reeves to U-turn on the cuts, which will see 10 million pensioners in England and Wales lose out on around £200-£300. In addition to calling for a reverse to the cut, Unite's motion also says "any public expenditure gaps" should be filled by "taxing wealth". Unite's Sharon Graham is back in the audience as we wait for other motions and speakers to be heard, getting to her feet to applaud a motion on equal pay for women. Then speakers from the floor are allowed to come to the stage. There are loud whoops and cheers and many more delegates get to their feet - maybe 400 - to applaud a speaker from Dover and Deal. "Every single year £200 comes into my bank account and every year I go and buy stuff for the food bank with it," she tells the hall. "Also we get a rise in our pensions next year." Delegates voted by a show of hands on a series of motions. When we got to the winter fuel payments part the vote was very close. There were shouts of "card vote" (i.e. not a show of hands) but the chair tells the hall shouting at her will do no good and declared the motion "carried" - the unions have won the non-binding vote. "Conference it was obviously a very emotional vote," she said, as shouted challenges continued. "My view still is that that was carried. I don't want to move to a card vote. The advice I've been given is that it was carried... On the basis of the rules of the party." There are cheers as she sticks to her guns. Speaking just after her win, Sharon Graham tells me that, although the vote was non-binding, it mirrors a feeling "in the real world". She adds that she thinks Rachel Reeves, who as we just mentioned won the parliamentary vote to cut winter fuel payments earlier this month, should now "U-turn". "Leadership is also about acknowledging when you've made a mis-step," she says. She also tells me that she was one of the voices calling for a card vote at the end, as that would have shown the strength of her win because union votes are weighted.
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 25, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
Growing unease in NHS about 'broken' messaging, BBC told Health Secretary Wes Streeting with a serious expression IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES Image caption, Wes Streeting has declared the NHS "broken" Article information Author, Nick Triggle Role, Health correspondent Twitter, @nicktriggle 25 September 2024 There is growing unease within the NHS about the government’s "broken" messaging, the BBC has learned. Senior sources in the health service have told the BBC they believe some of the claims have gone too far - and may result in patients being put off seeking help and causing lasting damage to staff morale. When Wes Streeting was made health secretary in England, he declared the NHS "broken" - a phrase he and others in government have used repeatedly since. That has been followed up recently with claims cancer is a "death sentence" because of NHS failings, while maternity services "shame" the nation. But the government said it was important "to be honest" about the scale of the challenge. The revelations come ahead of Mr Streeting addressing the Labour Party conference in Liverpool later. The BBC has spoken to senior people in the health service as well as officials within NHS England. One hospital leader told the BBC: "We understand the politics of what the government is doing - they feel they need establish in the public’s mind what a difficult inheritance they have been given. "It's something the Tories did very effectively in 2010 and even back in 1979 over the winter of discontent. "But there's an increasing nervousness that if it continues much longer it could spook patients and make it really difficult to raise staff morale. Hope is important." 'Wrong tone' Similar views are being expressed privately at NHS England. Sources there said officials had made the government aware of its concerns about the messaging and is monitoring the impact it is having on patients coming forward for check-ups and appointments. "We are not seeing anything in the figures to suggest it's having an impact, but we are keeping a close eye on it," one source said. Another hospital leader said: "If the government isn’t careful it will cause lasting damage. Yes, we know there are many problems, but there is also lots of great care out there that is not being recognised. "We need to see a shift - the cancer death sentence phrasing strikes completely the wrong tone." The death sentence claim was made in a written response from government to a story covered by the BBC last week about the variation in waiting times by different cancers, and in the House of Commons by Streeting on 12 September, the day Lord Ara Darzi published his report into the state of the NHS. In both cases, it was suggested Lord Darzi’s report found cancer was "more likely to be a death sentence for NHS patients than those in other countries". Lord Darzi did not use the phrase death sentence in his report, although he did point out the UK had higher cancer mortality rates. Lord Darzi has been approached for comment, but is yet to respond. When asked for a response to the language, Cancer Research UK pointed the BBC to data showing that one in two people diagnosed with cancer now survive at least 10 years. Meanwhile, the phrase "national shame" was used by Mr Streeting in response to a report by the Care Quality Commission report last week, which found two in three maternity units were not safe enough. Sir Julian Hartley, of NHS Providers, which represents health leaders, said it was important to recognise what the NHS was doing well and the efforts of staff who were working "flat out". "There’s a lot to be proud of despite ongoing concerns and difficulties," he added. Sir Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting addressing NHS staff at University College London Hospital As I said ghastly , you’ll find all the links if you Want to , you don’t want to , or are you going to claim the bbc is not a reliable link 🙄🙄 Could you copy and paste properly please, thanks no , you said a while ago you did not interact with me any more , so I will not interact with you , I.e I will not be cooperating with any requests from you to change my posts Any way why would you want to read my posts as this morning you said they were embarrassing 🙄🙄
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 12:38:11 GMT
"Speaking just after her win, Sharon Graham tells me that, although the vote was non-binding, it mirrors a feeling "in the real world". She adds that she thinks Rachel Reeves, who as we just mentioned won the parliamentary vote to cut winter fuel payments earlier this month, should now "U-turn". "Leadership is also about acknowledging when you've made a mis-step," she says."
Echoes what I said earlier in the thread. Leadership also requires guts and humility to admit making a mistake and then taking steps to correct that mistake.
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 25, 2024 12:44:28 GMT
Yep , forcing I’ll people back to work bt , but I’m sure the commies will be along soon to justify it , they applauded freezing old people to death , so this policy should be right down there alley 🙄🙄 Caring about other people, Ltdgas? Are you a closet socialist? 😘 Do socialists actually care about other people baldrick ? If they do there certainly not showing it , freezing old people to death , forcing people on benefits ( ill health ) back to work , checking benefit claimants bank accounts etc etc , not the caring party they alluded to before the election for sure As for me , I’ll describe myself as hard right , but I really don’t want to see old people from this country ( note from this country ) freeze , people in Ill health be forced out to work , and checking peoples bank accounts ,I must be going soft !! Nb I’ll give the unions there do,s , they do seem to care, listening to the unite leader I’ll give her , her dos , she was very passionate in her support of old people , unlike the commie party .
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 25, 2024 13:02:31 GMT
Sickness benefit claimants should look for work - PM Keir Starmer Article information Author, Kate Whannel Role, Political reporter 7 hours ago Keir Starmer has said he believes that people claiming long-term sickness benefits should be expected to look for work. He added that there would be "hard cases" and that the government and businesses should help those who may feel anxious about re-entering the workplace, but that the "basic proposition that you should look for work is right". The prime minister was speaking to the BBC's Today programme, following his party conference speech in which he said he wanted to "level" with the country about the "trade-offs" people would face. He told Labour activists: "If we want to maintain support for the welfare state, then we will legislate to stop benefit fraud, do everything we can to tackle worklessness." Starmer says he knows what's wrong - but can he fix it? 24 September 2024 Youngsters not in work or education rise to 870,000 24 August 2024 Why are we so ill? The working-age health crisis 22 April 2024 Following the speech, he was asked in an interview with the Today programme if he agreed with the proposition that virtually no-one should claim benefits without trying to get back to work. "The basic proposition that you should look for work is right," he replied. "People need to look for work, but they also need support. "That's why I've gone out to look at schemes where businesses are supporting people back into work from long-term sickness. "Quite often, I think what lies behind this is a fear for someone who's been on long term sickness that - 'can they get back into the workplace? Are they going to be able to cope? Is it all going to go hopelessly wrong?'" The inactivity rate - the number of people out of work and not looking for a job - surged during the Covid pandemic and has since remained at a persistently high level. Nearly 3 million people are out of work due to ill health, a 500,000 increase on 2019. The Office for Budget Responsibility says the cost of sickness and disability benefits will increase by £30bn in the next five years. Following Sir Keir's conference speech, Labour announced that doctors, expert in speeding up operations, would be sent to areas with the highest number of people out of work due to ill health. Health Secretary Wes Streeting set out the measure to Labour activists on the last day of the conference in Liverpool. He said "the best of the NHS" would help "get sick Brits back to health and back to work". Who are the millions of Britons not working? 11 June 2024 People arriving illegally could apply for asylum under Labour 28 June 2024 Speaking to the BBC, the prime minister was also pressed on other trade-offs he listed in his speech including the argument that the public had to accept pylons if they wanted cheaper electricity. He said people with concerns should be listened to but added: "We want cheaper electricity, we need cheaper power, we can't pretend that can be done without the need for pylons above the ground. "Politics is about being honest with people, saying: 'If you want xyz then we are going to have to do the following things'." On illegal migration, Sir Keir said there was a backlog of tens of thousands of asylum seekers waiting to have their claim processed, while the government was paying for their accommodation. He accused the previous Conservative government of "pretending there's some magical way to wish away that number". He said his government would process the backlog and return those who had no right to be in the UK. "But I was being clear, if you have that process, there will be people who are processed, who then are able to claim asylum." Around 97,000 people claimed asylum in the year to the end of June 2024, with the largest number coming from Afghanistan. Other nationalities applying in large numbers include those from Iran, Pakistan, Vietnam, India, and Bangladesh. In the same year, 7,190 people who were not granted asylum were returned to their home country. One of the prime minister's first decisions was to scrap the Conservative government's Rwanda scheme, which aimed to deter people trying to get to the UK illegally by crossing the Channel in small boats. The prime minister dismissed the policy as an expensive gimmick and have instead said they want to tackle the smuggling gangs that arrange the crossings. Related topics Keir Starmer Labour Party Conference Labour Party Top Stories LIVE Live, Israel carrying out 'extensive' strikes in Lebanon as Hezbollah fires missile at Tel Aviv BBC visits Lebanese tourist city deserted after Israeli attacks
There you go gastly , bbc article , not going well is it , denying the posts arnt true !! Though you do come across as nieve at best , so no doubt you got took in by all the we care bulls**t free gear keir spouted before the election 🙄🙄 Got me un- banned yet ?
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 25, 2024 13:08:47 GMT
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