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Post by francegas on Sept 13, 2024 14:41:30 GMT
About 2000 prisoners released on the Government early release scheme today ( I think). I wonder how long before one murders someone or hospitalised someone. Then general thievery. Etc. Don't suppose it'll take long. So the government release figures that the prison population has decreased by 2000 in a week. No sh1t sherlock, what did they think would happen when they've let the buggers out?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2024 15:06:31 GMT
Source please.... or is it an attempt at dark humour? Not got a lot of faith in your Labour Government then Chesh.😏 Not at all Bas, just so much rubbish and lies abounding at the moment even from so called media outlets!!
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Post by francegas on Sept 13, 2024 15:16:18 GMT
""More than one in five children in England are overweight or living with obesity by the time they start primary school, and this rises to more than one third by the time they leave." - and yet we are told we will have to provide free breakfasts at schools as the poor kids are not getting breakfast at home? Which side is true? I personally thing the effort should have been put in to ban gambling adverts. There are 14.5 million under 18s in the UK. 4.3 million of them living in low income families. Many of the children above low income do not eat healthily, too much food or the wrong type. Many of those in low income families do not get a healthy diet simply because their families can't afford it. People in the UK do not like the idea of means testing as we have seen with the Winter Fuel Allowance. If we could get over the embarrassment of means testing and the idea that those in poverty are all benefit scroungers then we might be able to target poorer families. It is a good idea to encourage the country to be healthy as they are the future workforce. North West Ambulance amongst others are ordering bariatric ambulances that can take people over the weight of 40 stones in weight. On numerous occasions they either have to double the teams on calls to be able to lift people or they have to call the fire service who have been known to hoist the largest people through windows. That is not good for anyone. Obesity is becoming a real problem so something needs to be done about it. Similarly we have to find a way to raise the eating standards of the poorest in society. Returned last week from a week back in the UK visiting my parents in Bournemouth and saw the air festival. I could see there is clearly an obesity problem in the UK people have certainly expanded since we lived there. I would also say how cheap food was in the local Asda (compared to here in France) in some instances namely meats they were 1/3 of the price in France. Even vegetables at £2 for a 2kg bag of carrots, potatoes being the same price and other veg being very cheap you could certainly make a very healthy meal for little money. If children living in above low income families are not eating healthy then the question has to be asked why. Is it poor parenting where they can't be bothered to cook because it's too easy to get takeaways or shove a pizza in the oven? If that is the case it'll be extremely difficult to change that mind set of the parents. Those in low income families again is it a case of living on McDonald's (which over the course of a week would be expensive) because it's too easy rather than do a shop in the supermarket at the prices I saw last week. I wholeheartedly agree that something needs to be done but personally do not believe banning junk food ads will make the blindest bit of difference.
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Post by aghast on Sept 13, 2024 18:46:01 GMT
""More than one in five children in England are overweight or living with obesity by the time they start primary school, and this rises to more than one third by the time they leave." - and yet we are told we will have to provide free breakfasts at schools as the poor kids are not getting breakfast at home? Which side is true? I personally thing the effort should have been put in to ban gambling adverts. I happen to agree with you on gambling adverts. But I think not eating properly and regularly at home is part of the obesity problem. Exactly. It's about eating healthily, not to excess. And I would support the provision of healthy breakfasts in a similar way to free school dinners or lunch as we now know it..... Frankly not all parents are capable of providing the correct dietary needs for their children and this is one area the state could usefully step into. It's got to be a good use of public funds surely?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 13, 2024 20:56:59 GMT
There are 14.5 million under 18s in the UK. 4.3 million of them living in low income families. Many of the children above low income do not eat healthily, too much food or the wrong type. Many of those in low income families do not get a healthy diet simply because their families can't afford it. People in the UK do not like the idea of means testing as we have seen with the Winter Fuel Allowance. If we could get over the embarrassment of means testing and the idea that those in poverty are all benefit scroungers then we might be able to target poorer families. It is a good idea to encourage the country to be healthy as they are the future workforce. North West Ambulance amongst others are ordering bariatric ambulances that can take people over the weight of 40 stones in weight. On numerous occasions they either have to double the teams on calls to be able to lift people or they have to call the fire service who have been known to hoist the largest people through windows. That is not good for anyone. Obesity is becoming a real problem so something needs to be done about it. Similarly we have to find a way to raise the eating standards of the poorest in society. Returned last week from a week back in the UK visiting my parents in Bournemouth and saw the air festival. I could see there is clearly an obesity problem in the UK people have certainly expanded since we lived there. I would also say how cheap food was in the local Asda (compared to here in France) in some instances namely meats they were 1/3 of the price in France. Even vegetables at £2 for a 2kg bag of carrots, potatoes being the same price and other veg being very cheap you could certainly make a very healthy meal for little money. If children living in above low income families are not eating healthy then the question has to be asked why. Is it poor parenting where they can't be bothered to cook because it's too easy to get takeaways or shove a pizza in the oven? If that is the case it'll be extremely difficult to change that mind set of the parents. Those in low income families again is it a case of living on McDonald's (which over the course of a week would be expensive) because it's too easy rather than do a shop in the supermarket at the prices I saw last week. I wholeheartedly agree that something needs to be done but personally do not believe banning junk food ads will make the blindest bit of difference. I find it's the same in Germany.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 13, 2024 21:00:06 GMT
A suspected rapist ,given early release by 2TK has almost immediately been arrested for suspected rape.
Maybe the Police decided to get him back in prison because he's such a danger,or maybe he got out and almost immediately raped a woman.
Spectacularly bad judgement from 2TK.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 13, 2024 21:04:43 GMT
Of the prison population in the UK of approx. 80,000 prisoners, 10% of then are foreign nationals. Wouldn't it be logical to just export that 10%?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 13, 2024 21:20:09 GMT
Of the prison population in the UK of approx. 80,000 prisoners, 10% of then are foreign nationals. Wouldn't it be logical to just export that 10%? The previous Government and this one will continue to do so. The Government has up to 18 months [increased from 12 months] to remove them if they eligible for repatriation provided that its not an unsafe country which many argue should not be a criteria to stop it. Under UK legislation, the government has a duty to consider deportation of foreign nationals convicted of an offence in the UK and sentenced to at least 12 months’ imprisonment. It can remove foreign national offenders before the end of their prison sentence through various schemes and through prisoner transfer agreements. The deportation of foreign national offenders is a government priority. During 2023, 3,926 foreign national offenders were returned. lordslibrary.parliament.uk/foreign-national-offenders-in-uk-prisons-powers-to-deport/#:~:text=As%20at%2031%20December%202023%2C%20there,were%2010%2C423%20foreign%20nationals%20in%20prison.%20 Table 1. Top 10 nationalities of foreign national offenders held in prisons in England and Wales Nationality Number of FNOs in 2023 Albanian 1,475 Polish 856 Romanian 758 Irish 624 - generally not repatriated under an agreement with the Irish Government Lithuanian 402 Jamaican 403 Pakistani 306 Somalian 281 Portuguese 300 Nigerian 199 Total foreign national prisoners 10,321 [total prison population at 29/12/2023 - 87,216, therefore foreign nationals at 11.8%] Edited to correct eligibility period to removal period.
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Post by francegas on Sept 14, 2024 7:07:13 GMT
I see that 7 members of the Rotherham child abuse gang were sentenced to 106 years in prison yesterday. Under Starmers regime that's 106 minus 60% divided by 7 ...that's roughly 6 years a piece. Not a lot for what they did. Here's a novel idea, if they do not hold a British passport and thus are not UK citizens put them on the next British Airways jet heading to Islamabad and make them serve their full sentence in Pakistan.
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Post by trymer on Sept 14, 2024 9:01:54 GMT
I see that 7 members of the Rotherham child abuse gang were sentenced to 106 years in prison yesterday. Under Starmers regime that's 106 minus 60% divided by 7 ...that's roughly 6 years a piece. Not a lot for what they did. Here's a novel idea, if they do not hold a British passport and thus are not UK citizens put them on the next British Airways jet heading to Islamabad and make them serve their full sentence in Pakistan. Raping 11 year old girls....should be the death penalty in a decent society.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 14, 2024 19:04:10 GMT
A suspected rapist ,given early release by 2TK has almost immediately been arrested for suspected rape. Maybe the Police decided to get him back in prison because he's such a danger,or maybe he got out and almost immediately raped a woman. Spectacularly bad judgement from 2TK. This man is now back in prison, court case booked. His early release went well. Quite the genius is 2TK.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 14, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
A suspected rapist ,given early release by 2TK has almost immediately been arrested for suspected rape. Maybe the Police decided to get him back in prison because he's such a danger,or maybe he got out and almost immediately raped a woman. Spectacularly bad judgement from 2TK. This man is now back in prison, court case booked. His early release went well. Quite the genius is 2TK. Link? There are two I'm aware of, one was arrested within seconds of leaving and another for groping a prison guard.
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Post by icegas on Sept 14, 2024 21:00:44 GMT
This man is now back in prison, court case booked. His early release went well. Quite the genius is 2TK. Link? There are two I'm aware of, one was arrested within seconds of leaving and another for groping a prison guard. Is this the ****? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdy22gje4o
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Post by baldrick on Sept 14, 2024 21:08:37 GMT
Possibly, although Bas said suspected rapist.
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Post by icegas on Sept 14, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
Also what this Government has done is like the dumbest thing that they could have ever done in regards to the early release of convicts! Ok, the prisons being over full may not be all their fault...I say that, as it was the Torries in office for the past 14 years. But they are not undefendable here in that regard...they could had challenged this over that time. Use hotels to hold the less "violence criminals" in our prison system, instead of letting in those illegal criminals entering our country via Dover! It's so simple, you must be thick not to understand!.. It would take a week or less to bring a modest hotel say on Weston super mare sea front... ( which is basically empty right now anyway) up to code, in order to look after prisoners on an... 'open prison level' or that just above there. Letting out hardened, violent criminals early is wreckless, immoral and disrespectful to their victims. This government is our worst ever, already.In weeks... And isn't this f**ker of a prime minister talking about bombing inside Russia with the USA soon!
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Post by baldrick on Sept 14, 2024 21:52:55 GMT
Also what this Government has done is like the dumbest thing that they could have ever done in regards to the early release of convicts! Ok, the prisons being over full may not be all their fault...I say that, as it was the Torries in office for the past 14 years. But they are not undefendable here in that regard...they could had challenged this over that time. Use hotels to hold the less "violence criminals" in our prison system, instead of letting in those illegal criminals entering our country via Dover! It's so simple, you must be thick not to understand!.. It would take a week or less to bring a modest hotel say on Weston super mare sea front... ( which is basically empty right now anyway) up to code, in order to look after prisoners on an... 'open prison level' or that just above there. Letting out hardened, violent criminals early is wreckless, immoral and disrespectful to their victims. This government is our worst ever, already.In weeks... And isn't this f**ker of a prime minister talking about bombing inside Russia with the USA soon! It's an extension to what the Conservatives had already started, 40% rather than 50% and those with sentences of over 4 years won't be considered. It's not perfect and maybe your suggestion has some merit. With regards to bombing Russia, that won't be us nor the US, if anything it's the not bombing Russia that is the sticking point with Ukraine.
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Post by aghast on Sept 14, 2024 22:19:06 GMT
I'm not sure the residents of Weston Super Mare would welcome a prison on the seafront.
Releasing prisoners early is clearly not a great solution long term but it's one of the only options available in the short term. The new government can't conjure up new (proper) prisons in a matter of weeks.
Designating hotels and the like for prisoners (even if low risk) would entail weeks or months of approvals, objections, injunctions and probably new legislation.
It's a fix the Labour government have found themselves in and it's not of their making.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 14, 2024 23:05:33 GMT
I see that 7 members of the Rotherham child abuse gang were sentenced to 106 years in prison yesterday. Under Starmers regime that's 106 minus 60% divided by 7 ...that's roughly 6 years a piece. Not a lot for what they did. Here's a novel idea, if they do not hold a British passport and thus are not UK citizens put them on the next British Airways jet heading to Islamabad and make them serve their full sentence in Pakistan. Their crime and sentences would make them ineligible for consideration. It's not a blanket reduction.
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Post by icegas on Sept 15, 2024 5:18:38 GMT
I'm not sure the residents of Weston Super Mare would welcome a prison on the seafront. Releasing prisoners early is clearly not a great solution long term but it's one of the only options available in the short term. The new government can't conjure up new (proper) prisons in a matter of weeks. Designating hotels and the like for prisoners (even if low risk) would entail weeks or months of approvals, objections, injunctions and probably new legislation. It's a fix the Labour government have found themselves in and it's not of their making. I'm sure the local Weston residents were not welcome to becoming the drug/heroin rehab centre of the UK either ( which it really is btw), or having many hotels taken over by illegal immigrants that were dumped there just like in every town and city in our country, so your point has no substance . What's the difference between hosting low level/risk criminals in a quickly redesigned Hotel to that is fit for purpose to do the job and letting hundreds of illegals immigrants that are unvetted stay in hotels. For me one is a high risk danger,and one is not. I personally would rather stay next to the new prison on the mares sea front!
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Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 6:54:19 GMT
This man is now back in prison, court case booked. His early release went well. Quite the genius is 2TK. Link? There are two I'm aware of, one was arrested within seconds of leaving and another for groping a prison guard. Farage,GB News. "A suspected rapist was let out of prison by Kier Starmer". Google that and you should find a short video of Nigel. On the GB News Facebook I think it's mentioned by one or two others too. It was'nt difficult to see the 2TK early release offenders reoffending.
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