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Post by baldrick on Oct 14, 2024 19:19:07 GMT
Poland will prevent further encroachment but not to stop taking parts of the Baltics in the first place. Hopefully the forward deployed forces will be enough of a tripwire he wont test, but you can't rule it out. Besides, if Nato isn't united like it is at the moment then he'll use salami tactics. Xi only has to push things, without active US involvement one day that door will open. Wrt Iran, I'm talking about serious escalation such as attacking Iranian sites as mooted recently. Isreal has every right to defend itself, getting the green light from Trump is not the same as tacit approval or disapproval. Ice said Trump prevents war, not for me. You are talking about hypothetical situations.We had Trump for four years and nothing.Its boring keep saying it but it's the truth. I believe Israel are going to heavily attack Iran in the next month before the election, in a way that we have never seen before..as they have said they will, and normally they follow through! I dint think Trump,Biden or Harris will stop that. This post is hypothetical but my previous critique wasn't.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 19:22:39 GMT
You are talking about hypothetical situations.We had Trump for four years and nothing.Its boring keep saying it but it's the truth. I believe Israel are going to heavily attack Iran in the next month before the election, in a way that we have never seen before..as they have said they will, and normally they follow through! I dint think Trump,Biden or Harris will stop that. This post is hypothetical but my previous critique wasn't. You are wasting your time Baldrick...they is either blind or lacking any form of ability to comprehend the evidence in front of him Did Trump order strikes in Syria? Asking for a friend
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 19:25:39 GMT
This post is hypothetical but my previous critique wasn't. You are wasting your time Baldrick...they is either blind or lacking any form of ability to comprehend the evidence in front of him Did Trump order strikes in Syria? Asking for a friend Did any wars start?
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 19:29:00 GMT
You are talking about hypothetical situations.We had Trump for four years and nothing.Its boring keep saying it but it's the truth. I believe Israel are going to heavily attack Iran in the next month before the election, in a way that we have never seen before..as they have said they will, and normally they follow through! I dint think Trump,Biden or Harris will stop that. This post is hypothetical but my previous critique wasn't. Not at all, I'm pointing out your are talking hypothetically about what Trump could do, where there is a four year record of no such thing suggesting that he will. I could be wrong and Trump will want to go out in a blaze if glory and take us with him.I doubt that will happen tho.Be to late then anyway!
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 19:36:46 GMT
You are wasting your time Baldrick...they is either blind or lacking any form of ability to comprehend the evidence in front of him Did Trump order strikes in Syria? Asking for a friend Did any wars start? The war was ongoing and Trump did nothing to stop it. In fact he joined in. He walked away from negotiations with Afghanistan and torpedoed the Iran deal. Leading us to where we are today. You can take an ultra simplistic view (atypical for Trump supporters), you can ignore the consequences, but the outcomes are there for all to see. A bit like the debt pile he accumulated ($8 Trillion). If he wasn't so stupid it would be funny. But it's not.
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Post by trymer on Oct 14, 2024 19:58:20 GMT
People seem to think that a Harris govt would be less isolationist than a Trump govt,but I doubt that Harris would want to get involved in a foreign war,they might supply friendly countries with arms and they might do some bombing but I dont think that they will send ground forces anywhere. I can see that nutter in North Korea starting a shooting war with South Korea and firing missiles at Japan, IF that happened its WW3, Russia,Iran already at war,once the fighting starts China might get involved,but what will India do ? I think that Trump would go anywhere and talk to any World leader to try and stop a war,Biden cant,he is too far gone and nobody would take him seriously,Netanyahu would ignore him and I cant see the North Koreans or the Chinese or Russia taking Harris seriously. I could see Trump saying that US influence finishes at Midway in the Pacific and at the Azores, they dont seem to want to get involved in Africa but Russia and China do because they want various raw materials, I dont see why the US would want to get involved in Europe any more. 😂😂😂😂😂 In the meantime www.reuters.com/world/us-send-anti-missile-system-israel-says-pentagon-2024-10-13/Ummmmm... Yes,I should have been more careful when I mentioned 'ground forces' as I had already heard that they were sending these missile batteries and troops, what I meant was ground forces to take part in fighting as in Korea,Afghanistan,Iraq, I could be wrong but I just dont see the appetite for these wars in the American public now. I actually wonder if Biden is sending these missile systems to Israel to try and get some credibility with the Israeli govt, they dont seem to take any notice when he tries to get cease fires or peace talks,my view is that they will take the armaments on offer but still ignore the old goat.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 20:04:03 GMT
Yes,I should have been more careful when I mentioned 'ground forces' as I had already heard that they were sending these missile batteries and troops, what I meant was ground forces to take part in fighting as in Korea,Afghanistan,Iraq, I could be wrong but I just dont see the appetite for these wars in the American public now. I actually wonder if Biden is sending these missile systems to Israel to try and get some credibility with the Israeli govt, they dont seem to take any notice when he tries to get cease fires or peace talks,my view is that they will take the armaments on offer but still ignore the old goat. None of the above. Simply put, they, the Americans, do not want Iran to win. It's as simple as that.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 14, 2024 20:20:42 GMT
This post is hypothetical but my previous critique wasn't. Not at all, I'm pointing out your are talking hypothetically about what Trump could do, where there is a four year record of no such thing suggesting that he will. I could be wrong and Trump will want to go out in a blaze if glory and take us with him.I doubt that will happen tho.Be to late then anyway! The consequences of Trump's last presidency led, in part if not entirely, to where we are now. Timings may infer he had little or nothing to do with it, but it did. Addressing this slightly differently, did Trump unite or divide the West?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 14, 2024 20:21:53 GMT
The war was ongoing and Trump did nothing to stop it. In fact he joined in. He walked away from negotiations with Afghanistan and torpedoed the Iran deal. Leading us to where we are today. You can take an ultra simplistic view (atypical for Trump supporters), you can ignore the consequences, but the outcomes are there for all to see. A bit like the debt pile he accumulated ($8 Trillion). If he wasn't so stupid it would be funny. But it's not. Moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem too.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 22:36:15 GMT
Not at all, I'm pointing out your are talking hypothetically about what Trump could do, where there is a four year record of no such thing suggesting that he will. I could be wrong and Trump will want to go out in a blaze if glory and take us with him.I doubt that will happen tho.Be to late then anyway! The consequences of Trump's last presidency led, in part if not entirely, to where we are now. Timings may infer he had little or nothing to do with it, but it did. Addressing this slightly differently, did Trump unite or divide the West? Good question. Not sure. Trump is the most controversial and without question the most divisive politican since Hitler.But that is largely due to him going against the establishment, and main stream media telling the world that Trump is the 2nd coming of Aldof, rather than any of his actions. Name any that are like Hitlers? Trump is nothing like Hitler...which is the most senseless argument any fool could make in a debate againt Trump by suggesting that he is. The left political circle were terrified of him winning during his first run that he would expose the frauds that many of them are, and revealing the underbelly of what they really stand for. Now is there more politically division in the west today? You could make the argument possibly.I dont believe so at politicians Level. There is more division on the ground today since 2015 in public opinion...as HUGE amounts of people love him, while huge amounts of people hate him. And that's why loons want to kill him!
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 22:43:17 GMT
The war was ongoing and Trump did nothing to stop it. In fact he joined in. He walked away from negotiations with Afghanistan and torpedoed the Iran deal. Leading us to where we are today. You can take an ultra simplistic view (atypical for Trump supporters), you can ignore the consequences, but the outcomes are there for all to see. A bit like the debt pile he accumulated ($8 Trillion). If he wasn't so stupid it would be funny. But it's not. I told you the other day, with respect to you family out there..and I honesty get where your mindset is coming from , I couldn't give a s**t about American home politics...right now.In a month, or in 2025 I'm sure that will change. I just want someone in office in Washington that's not basically going to make me take the next 200 year's off work due to them being stupid and pressing a big red button!
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Post by baldrick on Oct 15, 2024 1:15:37 GMT
The war was ongoing and Trump did nothing to stop it. In fact he joined in. He walked away from negotiations with Afghanistan and torpedoed the Iran deal. Leading us to where we are today. You can take an ultra simplistic view (atypical for Trump supporters), you can ignore the consequences, but the outcomes are there for all to see. A bit like the debt pile he accumulated ($8 Trillion). If he wasn't so stupid it would be funny. But it's not. I told you the other day, with respect to you family out there..and I honesty get where your mindset is coming from , I couldn't give a s**t about American home politics...right now.In a month, or in 2025 I'm sure that will change. I just want someone in office in Washington that's not basically going to make me take the next 200 year's off work due to them being stupid and pressing a big red button! Neither candidate will press 'the button'.
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Post by oldie on Oct 15, 2024 3:44:39 GMT
The consequences of Trump's last presidency led, in part if not entirely, to where we are now. Timings may infer he had little or nothing to do with it, but it did. Addressing this slightly differently, did Trump unite or divide the West? Good question. Not sure. Trump is the most controversial and without question the most divisive politican since Hitler.But that is largely due to him going against the establishment, and main stream media telling the world that Trump is the 2nd coming of Aldof, rather than any of his actions. Name any that are like Hitlers? Trump is nothing like Hitler...which is the most senseless argument any fool could make in a debate againt Trump by suggesting that he is. The left political circle were terrified of him winning during his first run that he would expose the frauds that many of them are, and revealing the underbelly of what they really stand for. Now is there more politically division in the west today? You could make the argument possibly.I dont believe so at politicians Level. There is more division on the ground today since 2015 in public opinion...as HUGE amounts of people love him, while huge amounts of people hate him. And that's why loons want to kill him! That has to be cut and paste. Who on this thread is comparing Trump to Hitler Strawman argument
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Post by oldie on Oct 15, 2024 3:51:48 GMT
The war was ongoing and Trump did nothing to stop it. In fact he joined in. He walked away from negotiations with Afghanistan and torpedoed the Iran deal. Leading us to where we are today. You can take an ultra simplistic view (atypical for Trump supporters), you can ignore the consequences, but the outcomes are there for all to see. A bit like the debt pile he accumulated ($8 Trillion). If he wasn't so stupid it would be funny. But it's not. I told you the other day, with respect to you family out there..and I honesty get where your mindset is coming from , I couldn't give a s**t about American home politics...right now.In a month, or in 2025 I'm sure that will change. I just want someone in office in Washington that's not basically going to make me take the next 200 year's off work due to them being stupid and pressing a big red button! Makes no sense You don't care about American domestic politics but you post endless, almost mindless, posts supporting Trump. The posts, it appears, being predicated on a false narrative that Harris would lead the world to war. The opposite is true of course when you have Trump, a man who General Milley (Trumps choice as Joint Chiefs Chairman) labelled a "Fascist to the Core", who manages to combine incompetence and stupidity to a degree that makes Corbyn look clever.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 15, 2024 5:58:57 GMT
I told you the other day, with respect to you family out there..and I honesty get where your mindset is coming from , I couldn't give a s**t about American home politics...right now.In a month, or in 2025 I'm sure that will change. I just want someone in office in Washington that's not basically going to make me take the next 200 year's off work due to them being stupid and pressing a big red button! Makes no sense You don't care about American domestic politics but you post endless, almost mindless, posts supporting Trump. The posts, it appears, being predicated on a false narrative that Harris would lead the world to war. The opposite is true of course when you have Trump, a man who General Milley (Trumps choice as Joint Chiefs Chairman) labelled a "Fascist to the Core", who manages to combine incompetence and stupidity to a degree that makes Corbyn look clever. You truely do come across as bizarre...your outlook, and apprent knowledge,or lack of of certain events honestly concens me - in regards to how one-sided your views are. But your comment about Corbyn, I agree with 👍.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 15, 2024 6:12:18 GMT
Good question. Not sure. Trump is the most controversial and without question the most divisive politican since Hitler.But that is largely due to him going against the establishment, and main stream media telling the world that Trump is the 2nd coming of Aldof, rather than any of his actions. Name any that are like Hitlers? Trump is nothing like Hitler...which is the most senseless argument any fool could make in a debate againt Trump by suggesting that he is. The left political circle were terrified of him winning during his first run that he would expose the frauds that many of them are, and revealing the underbelly of what they really stand for. Now is there more politically division in the west today? You could make the argument possibly.I dont believe so at politicians Level. There is more division on the ground today since 2015 in public opinion...as HUGE amounts of people love him, while huge amounts of people hate him. And that's why loons want to kill him! That has to be cut and paste. Who on this thread is comparing Trump to Hitler Strawman argument Again, bizarre... I'm not talking about on this thread,I'm talking in general. My opinion is based on any loonie-toon, anti Trumper argument over the past 8 years. Be it on here,or on social media... If I had time, and don't due to work.. then I could probably scroll through at least 10-20 comments on this forum alone over the past year, not including from post the 2015/16 period, where Trump has been talked about as the new Hitler.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 15, 2024 6:22:06 GMT
That has to be cut and paste. Who on this thread is comparing Trump to Hitler Strawman argument Again, bizarre... I'm not talking about on this thread,I'm talking in general. My opinion is based on any loonie-toon, anti Trumper argument over the past 8 years. Be it on here,or on social media... If I had time, and don't due to work.. then I could probably scroll through at least 10-20 comments on this forum alone over the past year, not including from post the 2015/16 period, where Trump has been talked about as the new Hitler. Has Hitler been brought up before? I certainly don't remember it, nor would I really expect a comparison. I did a search and only one referencing Vance's comment before this exchange.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 15, 2024 6:46:54 GMT
People seem to think that a Harris govt would be less isolationist than a Trump govt,but I doubt that Harris would want to get involved in a foreign war,they might supply friendly countries with arms and they might do some bombing but I dont think that they will send ground forces anywhere. I can see that nutter in North Korea starting a shooting war with South Korea and firing missiles at Japan, IF that happened its WW3, Russia,Iran already at war,once the fighting starts China might get involved,but what will India do ? I think that Trump would go anywhere and talk to any World leader to try and stop a war,Biden cant,he is too far gone and nobody would take him seriously,Netanyahu would ignore him and I cant see the North Koreans or the Chinese or Russia taking Harris seriously. I could see Trump saying that US influence finishes at Midway in the Pacific and at the Azores, they dont seem to want to get involved in Africa but Russia and China do because they want various raw materials, I dont see why the US would want to get involved in Europe any more. 😂😂😂😂😂 In the meantime www.reuters.com/world/us-send-anti-missile-system-israel-says-pentagon-2024-10-13/Ummmmm... These are defensive systems. Nothing wrong in protecting innocent civilians from the murdering terrorists.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 15, 2024 6:47:51 GMT
Again, bizarre... I'm not talking about on this thread,I'm talking in general. My opinion is based on any loonie-toon, anti Trumper argument over the past 8 years. Be it on here,or on social media... If I had time, and don't due to work.. then I could probably scroll through at least 10-20 comments on this forum alone over the past year, not including from post the 2015/16 period, where Trump has been talked about as the new Hitler. Has Hitler been brought up before? I certainly don't remember it, nor would I really expect a comparison. I did a search and only one referencing Vance's comment before this exchange. Yes. I'm talking over the past 8/9 years, pre Trump winning, as well as today... I would in fairness include the use of Arsechat..as some of us also have used that forum also. But mainly here.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 15, 2024 6:48:48 GMT
Yes,I should have been more careful when I mentioned 'ground forces' as I had already heard that they were sending these missile batteries and troops, what I meant was ground forces to take part in fighting as in Korea,Afghanistan,Iraq, I could be wrong but I just dont see the appetite for these wars in the American public now. I actually wonder if Biden is sending these missile systems to Israel to try and get some credibility with the Israeli govt, they dont seem to take any notice when he tries to get cease fires or peace talks,my view is that they will take the armaments on offer but still ignore the old goat. None of the above. Simply put, they, the Americans, do not want Iran to win. It's as simple as that. and not just the Americans, but every right minded person on this planet!
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