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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2024 20:32:34 GMT
I know you hate Trump,as many others do and I respectfully disagree with you on that. But Putin and co know that he is not a man to f**k around with.The thing you guys hate about him is the thing that kept us safe.You need alfa males in these situations.No let me change my wording here, a leader and someone fearless. Trump is a leader,and not false in anyway.He fearless as proven post him getting shot. The Russian, Iranian, Chinese, North Korean alliance know that. How much of Ukraine will be given to Russia? It's 1938, peace in our time. A bit too subtle for some Baldrick
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2024 20:46:54 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Oct 13, 2024 0:14:28 GMT
Knowingly lying about immigrants to stir racial unrest is racist, ice. I've done plenty of research, what are your sources ? Copy and paste from Trump's speeches or social media posts I think. For example, what exactly are "false people"? Humanoids? Aliens? AI generated images? What exactly? No people with no morales,integrity and are willing to be righteous bankrupt in order to further their pockets and careers. Please....I will stop you there - just like Trump, right? 😴
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Post by Icegas on Oct 13, 2024 0:31:15 GMT
Yeah, it's astounding we've almost become acclimatised to the noise. It's jumbled nonsense with triggering buzz words. I'm with ice on one thing, it's global security that concerns me going forward. I'm also similar in that I class myself as relatively ignorant of American politics, how they choose to distribute wealth and which parties campaign for what. I've learnt more in the past 6 months I suppose, but it's like a carnival. Where I am is probably siding with grown ups. Trump is basically verbalising his racism, his misogyny, and corruptness. Quite openly. Aside from that I don't know why I wouldn't feel comfortable about my childrens future with him at the wheel I am not with ice on global security. We, I believe, are at an inflection point. The world economic system is in a perilous position. It's a mess and countries like Russia and China are in deep trouble. Russia only survives because of its oil reserves, China is trying to dig itself out of a hole by printing money. What happens when they fail? Would any reasonable thinking human want a moron like Trump sat at the table? I fear it, I really do. I have 5 grandchildren with their lives to live. The prospect of a Trump victory fills me with dread I want your grandchildren to live,but we have people in power today that have no idea how to debate,negotiate.. or even truely converse with their fellow party members, yet alone others in regards to international and world affairs, and that's before we get onto our foes and enemies. Trump has done it, and has a record for it. I personally, don't give s**t about American politics right now. I apologise to yourself, as I think you have two sons out there and it's with no bad intent upon them that I express this view. I would rather go into a deep depression, or recession under Trump than the end of humanity if we are not. We need a person like Trump against the people we face, a leader and a fearless fighter who has balls. I care about the survival of all of mankind - all race's..religions, and sexies. To end, you say about China and it's hole, and Russia and oil.. Trump is a proven, cutthroat billionaire, so who better to have at the table in that regard?
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Post by Icegas on Oct 13, 2024 1:35:27 GMT
How much of Ukraine will be given to Russia? It's 1938, peace in our time. A bit too subtle for some Baldrick Bizarre, passive aggressive comment again.
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2024 6:22:34 GMT
I am not with ice on global security. We, I believe, are at an inflection point. The world economic system is in a perilous position. It's a mess and countries like Russia and China are in deep trouble. Russia only survives because of its oil reserves, China is trying to dig itself out of a hole by printing money. What happens when they fail? Would any reasonable thinking human want a moron like Trump sat at the table? I fear it, I really do. I have 5 grandchildren with their lives to live. The prospect of a Trump victory fills me with dread I want your grandchildren to live,but we have people in power today that have no idea how to debate,negotiate.. or even truely converse with their fellow party members, yet alone others in regards to international and world affairs, and that's before we get onto our foes and enemies. Trump has done it, and has a record for it. I personally, don't give s**t about American politics right now. I apologise to yourself, as I think you have two sons out there and it's with no bad intent upon them that I express this view. I would rather go into a deep depression, or recession under Trump than the end of humanity if we are not. We need a person like Trump against the people we face, a leader and a fearless fighter who has balls. I care about the survival of all of mankind - all race's..religions, and sexies. To end, you say about China and it's hole, and Russia and oil.. Trump is a proven, cutthroat billionaire, so who better to have at the table in that regard? You said it "people with no morales,integrity and are willing to be righteous bankrupt in order to further their pockets and careers. Please....I will stop you there - just like Trump, right? 😴"
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 13, 2024 13:39:46 GMT
I am not with ice on global security. We, I believe, are at an inflection point. The world economic system is in a perilous position. It's a mess and countries like Russia and China are in deep trouble. Russia only survives because of its oil reserves, China is trying to dig itself out of a hole by printing money. What happens when they fail? Would any reasonable thinking human want a moron like Trump sat at the table? I fear it, I really do. I have 5 grandchildren with their lives to live. The prospect of a Trump victory fills me with dread I want your grandchildren to live,but we have people in power today that have no idea how to debate,negotiate.. or even truely converse with their fellow party members, yet alone others in regards to international and world affairs, and that's before we get onto our foes and enemies. Trump has done it, and has a record for it. I personally, don't give s**t about American politics right now. I apologise to yourself, as I think you have two sons out there and it's with no bad intent upon them that I express this view. I would rather go into a deep depression, or recession under Trump than the end of humanity if we are not. We need a person like Trump against the people we face, a leader and a fearless fighter who has balls. I care about the survival of all of mankind - all race's..religions, and sexies. To end, you say about China and it's hole, and Russia and oil.. Trump is a proven, cutthroat billionaire, so who better to have at the table in that regard?But he is not a succesful one! Companies bankrupt 6 times - he says 4 [he counts the first 3 as 1] His wealth, much of which he inherited, has fallen from USD 10billion in 2016 to estimated USD2.5bln now. He is finding it increasingly difficult to borrow money to keep his 'empire' going. An insurance company was criticised by its investors for lending Trump money to cover legal fees. He is not trusted in the financial markets. He is having to pay USD454mn in damages for inflating the value of his assets to obtain borrowing and get better rates. Is that who you want running a country's finances?
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2024 14:23:23 GMT
I want your grandchildren to live,but we have people in power today that have no idea how to debate,negotiate.. or even truely converse with their fellow party members, yet alone others in regards to international and world affairs, and that's before we get onto our foes and enemies. Trump has done it, and has a record for it. I personally, don't give s**t about American politics right now. I apologise to yourself, as I think you have two sons out there and it's with no bad intent upon them that I express this view. I would rather go into a deep depression, or recession under Trump than the end of humanity if we are not. We need a person like Trump against the people we face, a leader and a fearless fighter who has balls. I care about the survival of all of mankind - all race's..religions, and sexies. To end, you say about China and it's hole, and Russia and oil.. Trump is a proven, cutthroat billionaire, so who better to have at the table in that regard?But he is not a succesful one! Companies bankrupt 6 times - he says 4 [he counts the first 3Â as 1] His wealth, much of which he inherited, has fallen from USD 10billion in 2016 to estimated USD2.5bln now. He is finding it increasingly difficult to borrow money to keep his 'empire' going. An insurance company was criticised by its investors for lending Trump money to cover legal fees. He is not trusted in the financial markets. He is having to pay USD454mn in damages for inflating the value of his assets to obtain borrowing and get better rates. Is that who you want running a country's finances? Precisely I find it absolutely amazing that people who support Trump and his ilk, believe what they want to believe despite the mountain of evidence staring them in the face
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 13, 2024 18:11:26 GMT
But he is not a succesful one! Companies bankrupt 6 times - he says 4 [he counts the first 3 as 1] His wealth, much of which he inherited, has fallen from USD 10billion in 2016 to estimated USD2.5bln now. He is finding it increasingly difficult to borrow money to keep his 'empire' going. An insurance company was criticised by its investors for lending Trump money to cover legal fees. He is not trusted in the financial markets. He is having to pay USD454mn in damages for inflating the value of his assets to obtain borrowing and get better rates. Is that who you want running a country's finances? Precisely I find it absolutely amazing that people who support Trump and his ilk, believe what they want to believe despite the mountain of evidence staring them in the face Can you list the business success of Harris.....or Biden......or O'bama....or.....or.....
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2024 19:14:58 GMT
Precisely I find it absolutely amazing that people who support Trump and his ilk, believe what they want to believe despite the mountain of evidence staring them in the face Can you list the business success of Harris.....or Biden......or O'bama....or.....or..... Ummmm....to the best of my knowledge none of them are running a campaign predicated upon their wealth or business background
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 13, 2024 23:07:57 GMT
Man arrested outside Trump rally had two guns and fake passports..by Paulin Kolaichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/81ff/live/04ffa650-898a-11ef-8936-1185f9e7d044.jpgA man armed with guns and a high-capacity magazine was arrested outside Donald Trump's rally in California on Saturday, police say Vem Miller, 49, was arrested near a checkpoint to the Coachella rally site. He was stopped and found to be in possession of multiple passports and driving licences in different names, and a fake licence plate The incident "did not impact the safety of former President Trump or attendees of the event", police say Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco says officers probably prevented a third assassination attempt, but the suspect was a "lunatic" Donald Trump defends his economic plan to raise tariffs to defend American carmakers. "I'll put 200 or 500%, I don't care," Trump said on Fox News. The policy has been criticised over the potential damage to the US economy Kamala Harris attends services at Koinonia Christian Center, a predominantly black church in Greenville, North Carolina, accusing opponents of "channeling peoples’ tragedies and sorrows into grievances and hatred" The two candidates' running mates appear on Fox News; Tim Walz to defend the vice president's views on stricter gun control laws, and JD Vance to repeat the former president's false claims that Venezuelan gangs were taking over Aurora, Colorado President Joe Biden surveys the damage caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida, promises $612m (£468m) in aid and urges Congress to do more - drawing a quick response from House Speaker Mike Johnson National polls suggest Harris remains slightly ahead of Trump but the numbers in battleground states are extremely close
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Post by aghast on Oct 13, 2024 23:43:21 GMT
Man arrested outside Trump rally had two guns and fake passports..by Paulin Kolaichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/81ff/live/04ffa650-898a-11ef-8936-1185f9e7d044.jpgA man armed with guns and a high-capacity magazine was arrested outside Donald Trump's rally in California on Saturday, police say Vem Miller, 49, was arrested near a checkpoint to the Coachella rally site. He was stopped and found to be in possession of multiple passports and driving licences in different names, and a fake licence plate The incident "did not impact the safety of former President Trump or attendees of the event", police say Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco says officers probably prevented a third assassination attempt, but the suspect was a "lunatic" Donald Trump defends his economic plan to raise tariffs to defend American carmakers. "I'll put 200 or 500%, I don't care," Trump said on Fox News. The policy has been criticised over the potential damage to the US economy Kamala Harris attends services at Koinonia Christian Center, a predominantly black church in Greenville, North Carolina, accusing opponents of "channeling peoples’ tragedies and sorrows into grievances and hatred" The two candidates' running mates appear on Fox News; Tim Walz to defend the vice president's views on stricter gun control laws, and JD Vance to repeat the former president's false claims that Venezuelan gangs were taking over Aurora, Colorado President Joe Biden surveys the damage caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida, promises $612m (£468m) in aid and urges Congress to do more - drawing a quick response from House Speaker Mike Johnson National polls suggest Harris remains slightly ahead of Trump but the numbers in battleground states are extremely close I know you worry greatly about the state of Oldie's health, so to save his blood pressure levels rising, what is the point of that seemingly random selection of news snippets? We can all read the news. Unless you've chosen certain ones for certain reasons? I have no idea of course.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 1:28:34 GMT
Man arrested outside Trump rally had two guns and fake passports..by Paulin Kolaichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/81ff/live/04ffa650-898a-11ef-8936-1185f9e7d044.jpgA man armed with guns and a high-capacity magazine was arrested outside Donald Trump's rally in California on Saturday, police say Vem Miller, 49, was arrested near a checkpoint to the Coachella rally site. He was stopped and found to be in possession of multiple passports and driving licences in different names, and a fake licence plate The incident "did not impact the safety of former President Trump or attendees of the event", police say Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco says officers probably prevented a third assassination attempt, but the suspect was a "lunatic" Donald Trump defends his economic plan to raise tariffs to defend American carmakers. "I'll put 200 or 500%, I don't care," Trump said on Fox News. The policy has been criticised over the potential damage to the US economy Kamala Harris attends services at Koinonia Christian Center, a predominantly black church in Greenville, North Carolina, accusing opponents of "channeling peoples’ tragedies and sorrows into grievances and hatred" The two candidates' running mates appear on Fox News; Tim Walz to defend the vice president's views on stricter gun control laws, and JD Vance to repeat the former president's false claims that Venezuelan gangs were taking over Aurora, Colorado President Joe Biden surveys the damage caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida, promises $612m (£468m) in aid and urges Congress to do more - drawing a quick response from House Speaker Mike Johnson National polls suggest Harris remains slightly ahead of Trump but the numbers in battleground states are extremely close I know you worry greatly about the state of Oldie's health, so to save his blood pressure levels rising, what is the point of that seemingly random selection of news snippets? We can all read the news. Unless you've chosen certain ones for certain reasons? I have no idea of course. In defence of Bluetornados, this is a thread about the upcoming US election,the most important one in history by far, which will effect global security like never before, thats if it goes wrong of course. He posted something very relevant about a possible 3rd, assassination attempt...which sadly won't be the last time someone trys to kill Donald Trump before November,or if he wins. The first two have been swiftly forgotten by some..including on here.So while I agree we all follow the news so are aware of events, blue is posting to encourage discussion about it, I guess. Maybe some on here want an attempt to succeed given the delusional and hateful language, along with thinking that come from some on here towards the former president. 🫤
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 4:50:57 GMT
I know you worry greatly about the state of Oldie's health, so to save his blood pressure levels rising, what is the point of that seemingly random selection of news snippets? We can all read the news. Unless you've chosen certain ones for certain reasons? I have no idea of course. In defence of Bluetornados, this is a thread about the upcoming US election,the most important one in history by far, which will effect global security like never before, thats if it goes wrong of course. He posted something very relevant about a possible 3rd, assassination attempt...which sadly won't be the last time someone trys to kill Donald Trump before November,or if he wins. The first two have been swiftly forgotten by some..including on here.So while I agree we all follow the news so are aware of events, blue is posting to encourage discussion about it, I guess. Maybe some on here want an attempt to succeed given the delusional and hateful language, along with thinking that come from some on here towards the former president. 🫤 The accusations of others being "delusional" with regard to Trump made me laugh
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 14, 2024 7:46:16 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Oct 14, 2024 8:34:51 GMT
I know you worry greatly about the state of Oldie's health, so to save his blood pressure levels rising, what is the point of that seemingly random selection of news snippets? We can all read the news. Unless you've chosen certain ones for certain reasons? I have no idea of course. In defence of Bluetornados, this is a thread about the upcoming US election,the most important one in history by far, which will effect global security like never before, thats if it goes wrong of course. He posted something very relevant about a possible 3rd, assassination attempt...which sadly won't be the last time someone trys to kill Donald Trump before November,or if he wins. The first two have been swiftly forgotten by some..including on here.So while I agree we all follow the news so are aware of events, blue is posting to encourage discussion about it, I guess. Maybe some on here want an attempt to succeed given the delusional and hateful language, along with thinking that come from some on here towards the former president. 🫤 I think the BT comment is more that it is a cut and paste rather than expressing a particular view and engaging in debate. A short precis, own opinion and link would probably be preferred but that's not obligatory. In terms of Trump's assassination attempts, I doubt anyone on here would welcome that, not only from a human point of view and an attack on democracy, it would cause so much unrest that it doesn't bear thinking about. Incidentally, you've mentioned before about backing Farage and Johnson, only to be let down and disappointed. What makes you so sure Trump won't make it a hat trick?
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 10:57:19 GMT
In defence of Bluetornados, this is a thread about the upcoming US election,the most important one in history by far, which will effect global security like never before, thats if it goes wrong of course. He posted something very relevant about a possible 3rd, assassination attempt...which sadly won't be the last time someone trys to kill Donald Trump before November,or if he wins. The first two have been swiftly forgotten by some..including on here.So while I agree we all follow the news so are aware of events, blue is posting to encourage discussion about it, I guess. Maybe some on here want an attempt to succeed given the delusional and hateful language, along with thinking that come from some on here towards the former president. 🫤 I think the BT comment is more that it is a cut and paste rather than expressing a particular view and engaging in debate. A short precis, own opinion and link would probably be preferred but that's not obligatory. In terms of Trump's assassination attempts, I doubt anyone on here would welcome that, not only from a human point of view and an attack on democracy, it would cause so much unrest that it doesn't bear thinking about. Incidentally, you've mentioned before about backing Farage and Johnson, only to be let down and disappointed. What makes you so sure Trump won't make it a hat trick? Four years previously of holding office. A point missed by many anti Trumpers.They seem to be attacking him with the same illogical hate filled mindset as in 2016.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 14, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
In defence of Bluetornados, this is a thread about the upcoming US election,the most important one in history by far, which will effect global security like never before, thats if it goes wrong of course. He posted something very relevant about a possible 3rd, assassination attempt...which sadly won't be the last time someone trys to kill Donald Trump before November,or if he wins. The first two have been swiftly forgotten by some..including on here.So while I agree we all follow the news so are aware of events, blue is posting to encourage discussion about it, I guess. Maybe some on here want an attempt to succeed given the delusional and hateful language, along with thinking that come from some on here towards the former president. 🫤 The accusations of others being "delusional" with regard to Trump made me laugh It didn't make you laugh at all, if did then your sense of humour is odd.
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Post by oldie on Oct 14, 2024 11:20:04 GMT
The accusations of others being "delusional" with regard to Trump made me laugh It didn't make you laugh at all, if did then your sense of humour is odd. Perhaps But if you don't laugh at the rhetoric around Trump and by Trump you would have to cry
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 14, 2024 11:45:26 GMT
I think the BT comment is more that it is a cut and paste rather than expressing a particular view and engaging in debate. A short precis, own opinion and link would probably be preferred but that's not obligatory. In terms of Trump's assassination attempts, I doubt anyone on here would welcome that, not only from a human point of view and an attack on democracy, it would cause so much unrest that it doesn't bear thinking about. Incidentally, you've mentioned before about backing Farage and Johnson, only to be let down and disappointed. What makes you so sure Trump won't make it a hat trick? Four years previously of holding office. A point missed by many anti Trumpers.They seem to be attacking him with the same illogical hate filled mindset as in 2016. Do you genuinely think Trump is for office with the weirder and weirder statements and claims he is coming out with?
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