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Post by icegas on Sept 11, 2024 20:17:46 GMT
Oldie, it's been done a million times before so I'm not looking to open that can of worms here as it just leads to arguments etc. By what did he say that was racist last night? Please remember, I've yet to watch the last 30mins. He accused migrants of eating local residents pets. He raised the issue of Harris's skin colour and race...anything else? Harris has openly changed what she identified herself as over the years. She never used to class herself as a woman of colour until recently.You can look at videos which have been posted on here, where she called herself Indian - American during the last election.
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Post by oldie on Sept 11, 2024 20:36:34 GMT
He accused migrants of eating local residents pets. He raised the issue of Harris's skin colour and race...anything else? Harris has openly changed what she identified herself as over the years. She never used to class herself as a woman of colour until recently.You can look at videos which have been posted on here, where she called herself Indian - American during the last election. You what? What on earth has her skin colour got to do with anything? Her father was of Jamaican extraction I believe and her mother of Indian Sub Continent extraction. I doubt she could claim she is white Caucasian ๐๐๐ What a profoundly stupid argument to make.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 11, 2024 21:39:49 GMT
Harris has openly changed what she identified herself as over the years. She never used to class herself as a woman of colour until recently.You can look at videos which have been posted on here, where she called herself Indian - American during the last election. You what? What on earth has her skin colour got to do with anything? Her father was of Jamaican extraction I believe and her mother of Indian Sub Continent extraction. I doubt she could claim she is white Caucasian ๐๐๐ What a profoundly stupid argument to make. "her" and the colour of her "skin" was why she was made VP. Let's not beat about the bush over this. She backed out of the race to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee before the very first vote as her team became aware that she wouldn't get any votes from her own party. She wasn't even voted in by her own Party to be the Presidential Nominee even now. She is only there by default.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 11, 2024 21:40:55 GMT
The view from America "Wednesday, September 11, 2024 โEven as Trump exploded, he was, like a dying supernova, shrinking before our eyes,โ Peter Wehner writes. โ Last night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris did to Donald Trump what Donald Trump had done to Joe Biden: She broke her opponent on a debate stage. Iโve been watching presidential debates since 1976, and Iโve even been peripherally involved in a few. And Iโve never seen a candidate execute a debate strategy as well as Harris did. The night, for Harris supporters, went better than even the most optimistic among them could have hoped. For Trump supporters, it was not just a defeat but a public humiliation, the crushing comeuppance they probably secretly feared might one day arrive but, until now, never quite had." Quite. Full article here (sorry BT, no pictures๐คญ) www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/kamala-harris-broke-donald-trump/679780/Les, no need to apologize, there are some pretty pictures at the link provided...here are a few just for you. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/11/15/89521247-13838699-image-a-8_1726066183267.jpgi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/11/20/89555683-13839867-image-a-1_1726083943448.jpgi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/09/11/20/89556637-13839867-image-a-3_1726084073816.jpg
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 11, 2024 21:42:00 GMT
The view from America "Wednesday, September 11, 2024 โEven as Trump exploded, he was, like a dying supernova, shrinking before our eyes,โ Peter Wehner writes. โ Last night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris did to Donald Trump what Donald Trump had done to Joe Biden: She broke her opponent on a debate stage. Iโve been watching presidential debates since 1976, and Iโve even been peripherally involved in a few. And Iโve never seen a candidate execute a debate strategy as well as Harris did. The night, for Harris supporters, went better than even the most optimistic among them could have hoped. For Trump supporters, it was not just a defeat but a public humiliation, the crushing comeuppance they probably secretly feared might one day arrive but, until now, never quite had." Quite. Full article here (sorry BT, no pictures๐คญ) www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/kamala-harris-broke-donald-trump/679780/Once again, you have chosen to link to a Democratic supporting website. Trump supporting websites will say something different. She didn't break Trump. In fact, the reality is that both of them were exposed as total frauds, as we know they are.
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Post by icegas on Sept 11, 2024 22:07:31 GMT
Harris has openly changed what she identified herself as over the years. She never used to class herself as a woman of colour until recently.You can look at videos which have been posted on here, where she called herself Indian - American during the last election. You what? What on earth has her skin colour got to do with anything? Her father was of Jamaican extraction I believe and her mother of Indian Sub Continent extraction. I doubt she could claim she is white Caucasian ๐๐๐ What a profoundly stupid argument to make. First off calm down.๐ Or are you looking for an argument? I stated I'm not going to go over race etc again here, as it been done to death. I never said it had anything to do with anything... You brought up race and Trump. Also, she is the one that used to call herself Indian - American.Google, even You tube it. Nothing to do with me.
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Post by aghast on Sept 11, 2024 22:19:19 GMT
What is the point of this debate about what she calls herself race-wise? She doesn't harp on about it. She wants to discuss the issues and her shameless opponent. We had a similar issue amongst dodgy right wingers on the internet when it became clear Obama was a threat to their warped values.
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Post by icegas on Sept 12, 2024 3:15:44 GMT
What is the point of this debate about what she calls herself race-wise? She doesn't harp on about it. She wants to discuss the issues and her shameless opponent. We had a similar issue amongst dodgy right wingers on the internet when it became clear Obama was a threat to their warped values. Garbage. Im sorry... I meant Bollox! First off, I couldn't care if a presidential candidate is black,white or Scottish...๐ฅด - it makes no difference to me.๐ She used to identify as an Indian - American until recently. If you look online there are videos of her saying so, never stating that she is a woman of colour. She has changed tactics since Biden was bullied out, and she started running as the Democrat leader by default. She is Virtue signaling,and point scoring for effect. We know that she is half Black, but before she never identified herself as such, now she does...I wonder why..?๐ค What was with the fake southern, or African American accent that she put on about from a few weeks ago, at one of her tiny rallies?
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 4:40:31 GMT
What is the point of this debate about what she calls herself race-wise? She doesn't harp on about it. She wants to discuss the issues and her shameless opponent. We had a similar issue amongst dodgy right wingers on the internet when it became clear Obama was a threat to their warped values. Garbage. Im sorry... I meant Bollox! First off, I couldn't care if a presidential candidate is black,white or Scottish...๐ฅด - it makes no difference to me.๐ She used to identify as an Indian - American until recently. If you look online there are videos of her saying so, never stating that she is a woman of colour. She has changed tactics since Biden was bullied out, and she started running as the Democrat leader by default. She is Virtue signaling,and point scoring for effect. We know that she is half Black, but before she never identified herself as such, now she does...I wonder why..?๐ค What was with the fake southern, or African American accent that she put on about from a few weeks ago, at one of her tiny rallies? "I stated I'm not going to go over race etc again here, as it been done to death. I never said it had anything to do with anything..." But then you bring it up
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 4:48:25 GMT
You what? What on earth has her skin colour got to do with anything? Her father was of Jamaican extraction I believe and her mother of Indian Sub Continent extraction. I doubt she could claim she is white Caucasian ๐๐๐ What a profoundly stupid argument to make. "her" and the colour of her "skin" was why she was made VP. Let's not beat about the bush over this. She backed out of the race to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee before the very first vote as her team became aware that she wouldn't get any votes from her own party. She wasn't even voted in by her own Party to be the Presidential Nominee even now. She is only there by default. Or Perhaps Maybe Because she was a respected former Attorney General for the State of California and subsequent Senator from there. Plus, perhaps, she represented a "wing" of the Democratic Party which Biden wanted, needed, the support of. In the same way Walz is the candidate for VP. Or is it because he is white?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 12, 2024 9:11:49 GMT
"her" and the colour of her "skin" was why she was made VP. Let's not beat about the bush over this. She backed out of the race to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee before the very first vote as her team became aware that she wouldn't get any votes from her own party. She wasn't even voted in by her own Party to be the Presidential Nominee even now. She is only there by default. Or Perhaps Maybe Because she was a respected former Attorney General for the State of California and subsequent Senator from there. Plus, perhaps, she represented a "wing" of the Democratic Party which Biden wanted, needed, the support of. In the same way Walz is the candidate for VP. Or is it because he is white? She didn't represent any 'wing' of the Democratic Party! Nobody voted for her in the Primaries ! Her own party didn't want her !
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 12, 2024 9:23:41 GMT
Race has always been an issue in the USA. It is built into their DNA. I have been putting together the tree and US census nearly always indicate the race of the individual. In fairness it is also a big issue here now. Whenever there is a major incident people start shouting if the police don't release the origin of the perpetrator. Perhaps that's why its been raised here.
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 11:59:28 GMT
Or Perhaps Maybe Because she was a respected former Attorney General for the State of California and subsequent Senator from there. Plus, perhaps, she represented a "wing" of the Democratic Party which Biden wanted, needed, the support of. In the same way Walz is the candidate for VP. Or is it because he is white? She didn't represent any 'wing' of the Democratic Party! Nobody voted for her in the Primaries ! Her own party didn't want her ! She was a Senator....I think Biden was before he became VP. What on earth are you talking about
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 12:00:07 GMT
Race has always been an issue in the USA. It is built into their DNA. I have been putting together the tree and US census nearly always indicate the race of the individual. In fairness it is also a big issue here now. Whenever there is a major incident people start shouting if the police don't release the origin of the perpetrator. Perhaps that's why its been raised here. Always the usual suspects as well
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 12, 2024 13:31:04 GMT
She didn't represent any 'wing' of the Democratic Party! Nobody voted for her in the Primaries ! Her own party didn't want her ! She was a Senator....I think Biden was before he became VP. What on earth are you talking about What on earth am I talking about? I thought you were clued up on US politics? When she ran to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee she withdrew from the race before the first vote because her team knew she had no votes ! Can you not remember this was during the time she called Biden a racist! So, in your opinion, what 'wing' of the Democratic Party does she represent?
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 15:15:26 GMT
She was a Senator....I think Biden was before he became VP. What on earth are you talking about What on earth am I talking about? I thought you were clued up on US politics? When she ran to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee she withdrew from the race before the first vote because her team knew she had no votes ! Can you not remember this was during the time she called Biden a racist! So, in your opinion, what 'wing' of the Democratic Party does she represent? Shall I repeat it? She was Attorney General for the State of California, elected, she was a State Senator for California elected. People of California voted for her in there tens of thousands. She expressed "Progressive" viewpoints, (by American standards) but was not a member of "The Squad". Competent as a State Prosecuter and no dramas as a Senator. Very useful to Biden. Nothing to do with skin colour. Only Trump and his fellow racists pump out that rhetoric. As we have witnessed. Oh, and her parents did not eat their neighbours pet cat or dog.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 12, 2024 17:02:29 GMT
What on earth am I talking about? I thought you were clued up on US politics? When she ran to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee she withdrew from the race before the first vote because her team knew she had no votes ! Can you not remember this was during the time she called Biden a racist! So, in your opinion, what 'wing' of the Democratic Party does she represent? Shall I repeat it? She was Attorney General for the State of California, elected, she was a State Senator for California elected. People of California voted for her in there tens of thousands. She expressed "Progressive" viewpoints, (by American standards) but was not a member of "The Squad". Competent as a State Prosecuter and no dramas as a Senator. Very useful to Biden. Nothing to do with skin colour. Only Trump and his fellow racists pump out that rhetoric. As we have witnessed. Oh, and her parents did not eat their neighbours pet cat or dog. Was it because she was a woman? Asking for a friend. ๐
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2024 17:22:16 GMT
Shall I repeat it? She was Attorney General for the State of California, elected, she was a State Senator for California elected. People of California voted for her in there tens of thousands. She expressed "Progressive" viewpoints, (by American standards) but was not a member of "The Squad". Competent as a State Prosecuter and no dramas as a Senator. Very useful to Biden. Nothing to do with skin colour. Only Trump and his fellow racists pump out that rhetoric. As we have witnessed. Oh, and her parents did not eat their neighbours pet cat or dog. Was it because she was a woman? Asking for a friend. ๐ That may well indeed have been a factor. But I doubt the Democrats would have chosen a shrill, inexperienced, incompetent person to be VP predicated on her gender or skin colour. Time to look right past that
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Post by baldrick on Sept 12, 2024 20:19:00 GMT
Trump rules out another head to head. In the meantime: "The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll currently has Ms Harris has a five percentage point lead among registered voters. Among voters who said they had heard at least something about Tuesday's debate, 53% said Ms Harris won and 24% said Mr Trump won. Some 52% of those familiar with the debate said Mr Trump stumbled and didn't appear sharp, while 21% said that of Ms Harris." news.sky.com/story/us-election-latest-donald-trump-kamala-harris-debate-swing-states-joe-biden-skynews-live-blog-polling-13209921?postid=8262175#liveblog-bodyOn a separate note, Swifties may be registering. "Independent US agency the General Services Administration said 405,999 people visited vote.gov using a custom link shared by the singer in the 24 hours after she shared her post. The website helps visitors to register to vote in their state. Swift, who declared she would be voting for Ms Harris, and described her as a "gifted leader", urged her 283 million followers to do their research before voting."
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Post by baldrick on Sept 12, 2024 20:20:50 GMT
"A Republican congressman has blasted Donald Trump's unfounded claims about Haitians eating cats and dogs in Ohio. Mike Lawler said he represents "one of the largest Haitian Diaspora in the country", and has a "very good relationship" with the community. "I think everyone would be well advised and do well not to just jump on rumours and make sure that there's concrete information that would support any such claim that is made," he told our US partner network NBC News. "On the issue of the Haitian people, the Haitian people are good people." He also criticised Mr Trump's debate performance saying he "took the bait" from Kamala Harris, and he "should have been clear" on whether he wants Ukraine to win its war against Russia." news.sky.com/story/us-election-latest-donald-trump-kamala-harris-debate-swing-states-joe-biden-skynews-live-blog-polling-13209921?postid=8262158#liveblog-body
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