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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 16, 2024 11:38:50 GMT
Sorry Oldie, but I have openly stated on here many times that I think Trump is an idiot. However, I do think it is an attack on Democracy when we witness these stupid legal battles in the courts that have been brought by the Democrats in an attempt to stop him running for the Presidency. You are constantly on here supporting these legal cases and you cannot see that these cases are actually helping Trump get re-elected. All they have pinned on him so far are a Misdemeanor which we all know will be thrown out on appeal. Being a Reform supporter in no way makes anyone a Trump supporter. In the same way that although I voted for Reform it does not mean I agree with everything Farage says or does. You really should stop this tribal nonsense. It's the politics of the blinkered. Well Then it's a balance of evidence. Do we choose to cast out votes for known idiots such as Trump & Farage, even just as a protest, or do we compromise on the least worse option? What doesn't help us the continuous line of attack on the media and judiciary. Because that avenue is exactly the line taken by Trump and Farage. First off your attempt to compare Trump to Farage is ridiculous. Regarding the 'continuous attacks on the judiciary' it's quite plain to see that it is the Democrats who have launched the attacks on Trump using the Judiciary! Not sure what attacks Farage has made against the Judiciary, but he was right to have a go at the BBC for the comments made by that newsreader!
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 16, 2024 11:41:05 GMT
The appointments clause of the US Constitution. Correct So, precedent is this "A special prosecutor is a prosecutor who is independent of an office that would normally exercise jurisdiction in a criminal investigation—to avoid potential conflicts of interest or to facilitate subject matter area expertise. At the federal level, under 28 CFR § 600.1, a special prosecutor is referred to as a “special counsel,” and may be appointed by the attorney general to criminally investigate an individual or matter in cases where a Justice Department investigation would present a conflict of interest, or in other “extraordinary circumstances.” Under Supreme Court precedent in Morrison v. Olson, Congress may also appoint a special counsel through the passage of legislation. Notable special counsels in U.S. history include Ken Starr of the Clinton Whitewater investigation and Lawrence Walsh of the Iran-Contra Affair." So on what basis did Judge Cannon determine that the appointment of the special prosecutor, appointed by Merrick Garland the Attorney General, breach the constitution and precedent set in jurisprudence? I have to hold my hands up and admit I am no expert on the US Constitution, nor the legal arguments that surround it. However, the Judge declared it was Unconstitutional, and I'm pretty sure she knows more about these things than either me or you.
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Post by oldie on Jul 16, 2024 12:31:28 GMT
Correct So, precedent is this "A special prosecutor is a prosecutor who is independent of an office that would normally exercise jurisdiction in a criminal investigation—to avoid potential conflicts of interest or to facilitate subject matter area expertise. At the federal level, under 28 CFR § 600.1, a special prosecutor is referred to as a “special counsel,” and may be appointed by the attorney general to criminally investigate an individual or matter in cases where a Justice Department investigation would present a conflict of interest, or in other “extraordinary circumstances.” Under Supreme Court precedent in Morrison v. Olson, Congress may also appoint a special counsel through the passage of legislation. Notable special counsels in U.S. history include Ken Starr of the Clinton Whitewater investigation and Lawrence Walsh of the Iran-Contra Affair." So on what basis did Judge Cannon determine that the appointment of the special prosecutor, appointed by Merrick Garland the Attorney General, breach the constitution and precedent set in jurisprudence? I have to hold my hands up and admit I am no expert on the US Constitution, nor the legal arguments that surround it. However, the Judge declared it was Unconstitutional, and I'm pretty sure she knows more about these things than either me or you. Not according to Lawyers in the States. She has twisted the words of Justice Clarence Thomas in his summation of the decision on Presidential Immunity. She has been sitting on this for over a year. It stinks. It's likely the Attorney General will appeal, but it will probably be too late. Trump will be elected and he will ensure all charges against him are dropped. A terrible distortion of the American judicial system and a very dangerous precedent. This path leads to a President doing whatever he chooses to do, without the constraints of an independent judiciary and without the checks and balances set in the Constitution in the form of the Congress and the Senate. As Mr Hayek once famously said "The Road to Serfdom"
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 16, 2024 15:45:27 GMT
I have to hold my hands up and admit I am no expert on the US Constitution, nor the legal arguments that surround it. However, the Judge declared it was Unconstitutional, and I'm pretty sure she knows more about these things than either me or you. Not according to Lawyers in the States. She has twisted the words of Justice Clarence Thomas in his summation of the decision on Presidential Immunity. She has been sitting on this for over a year. It stinks. It's likely the Attorney General will appeal, but it will probably be too late. Trump will be elected and he will ensure all charges against him are dropped. A terrible distortion of the American judicial system and a very dangerous precedent. This path leads to a President doing whatever he chooses to do, without the constraints of an independent judiciary and without the checks and balances set in the Constitution in the form of the Congress and the Senate. As Mr Hayek once famously said "The Road to Serfdom" and.....why haven't then gone for Biden as well as he had documents taken when he wasn't even President, but Vice-President ! Every President who ever served has done the same as the documents generally are for their Libraries. That's what stinks Oldie. Going after Trump for doing the same as every President who has ever served. Another useless prosecution, more votes for Trump. Nothing to do with a distortion of the judicial system.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 16, 2024 17:51:29 GMT
The other day, Vance said in jokingly manner,'maybe the UK will be the first Islamic nuclear armed country now that Labour are in charge '. Let's face it,some in Europe and the US are concerned by our ridiculous attitude to Islam. 40,000 suspected nutters ,that's the ones we know of. Labour Party scared of Islam and now the sectarian MPs.That's bloody awful. Many young Muslims apparently Hamas supporters. This on top of the usual rubbish we hear about this imported problem and threat to our civilisation. Vance may of chuckled,but he's laughing at the UK and our stupidity.
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Post by icegas on Jul 16, 2024 19:17:18 GMT
I have to hold my hands up and admit I am no expert on the US Constitution, nor the legal arguments that surround it. However, the Judge declared it was Unconstitutional, and I'm pretty sure she knows more about these things than either me or you. Not according to Lawyers in the States. She has twisted the words of Justice Clarence Thomas in his summation of the decision on Presidential Immunity. She has been sitting on this for over a year. It stinks. It's likely the Attorney General will appeal, but it will probably be too late. Trump will be elected and he will ensure all charges against him are dropped. A terrible distortion of the American judicial system and a very dangerous precedent. This path leads to a President doing whatever he chooses to do, without the constraints of an independent judiciary and without the checks and balances set in the Constitution in the form of the Congress and the Senate. As Mr Hayek once famously said "The Road to Serfdom" Last time I'm going to bring this up as you have now proven yourself as a clear,and distiful liar, along with being a coward to go with it. I've asked 3 times where I justified someone on here threatening violence and battery upon someone else, and all 3 times you've ignored the situation and not answered.You are a bully. The left in the real world,along with on here have proven what lack of class they have this week. Not that it matters, but any respect that I had for you in regards to opposing opinions and debate has gone as you have proven yourself as a slandous disgrace. End of discussion, to be "Frank"...
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Post by oldie on Jul 16, 2024 19:42:19 GMT
Not according to Lawyers in the States. She has twisted the words of Justice Clarence Thomas in his summation of the decision on Presidential Immunity. She has been sitting on this for over a year. It stinks. It's likely the Attorney General will appeal, but it will probably be too late. Trump will be elected and he will ensure all charges against him are dropped. A terrible distortion of the American judicial system and a very dangerous precedent. This path leads to a President doing whatever he chooses to do, without the constraints of an independent judiciary and without the checks and balances set in the Constitution in the form of the Congress and the Senate. As Mr Hayek once famously said "The Road to Serfdom" Last time I'm going to bring this up as you have now proven yourself as a clear,and distiful liar, along with being a coward to go with it. I've asked 3 times where I justified someone on here threatening violence and battery upon someone else, and all 3 times you've ignored the situation and not answered.You are a bully. The left in the real world,along with on here have proven what lack of class they have this week. Not that it matters, but any respect that I had for you in regards to opposing opinions and debate has gone as you have proven yourself as a slandous disgrace. End of discussion, to be "Frank"... Good.
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Post by oldie on Jul 16, 2024 19:43:07 GMT
The other day, Vance said in jokingly manner,'maybe the UK will be the first Islamic nuclear armed country now that Labour are in charge '. Let's face it,some in Europe and the US are concerned by our ridiculous attitude to Islam. 40,000 suspected nutters ,that's the ones we know of. Labour Party scared of Islam and now the sectarian MPs.That's bloody awful. Many young Muslims apparently Hamas supporters. This on top of the usual rubbish we hear about this imported problem and threat to our civilisation. Vance may of chuckled,but he's laughing at the UK and our stupidity. Quoting yourself again...
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Post by baselswh on Jul 16, 2024 19:49:07 GMT
Let's face it,some in Europe and the US are concerned by our ridiculous attitude to Islam. 40,000 suspected nutters ,that's the ones we know of. Labour Party scared of Islam and now the sectarian MPs.That's bloody awful. Many young Muslims apparently Hamas supporters. This on top of the usual rubbish we hear about this imported problem and threat to our civilisation. Vance may of chuckled,but he's laughing at the UK and our stupidity. Quoting yourself again... Thanks for the reminder.Again.
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Post by oldie on Jul 16, 2024 20:07:12 GMT
Not according to Lawyers in the States. She has twisted the words of Justice Clarence Thomas in his summation of the decision on Presidential Immunity. She has been sitting on this for over a year. It stinks. It's likely the Attorney General will appeal, but it will probably be too late. Trump will be elected and he will ensure all charges against him are dropped. A terrible distortion of the American judicial system and a very dangerous precedent. This path leads to a President doing whatever he chooses to do, without the constraints of an independent judiciary and without the checks and balances set in the Constitution in the form of the Congress and the Senate. As Mr Hayek once famously said "The Road to Serfdom" and.....why haven't then gone for Biden as well as he had documents taken when he wasn't even President, but Vice-President ! Every President who ever served has done the same as the documents generally are for their Libraries. That's what stinks Oldie. Going after Trump for doing the same as every President who has ever served. Another useless prosecution, more votes for Trump. Nothing to do with a distortion of the judicial system. I am glad you said this The Attorney General, Merrick Garland, did. He appointed Robert Hur to investigate as special counsel which was absolutely right given the desire to avoid "conflict of interest". The results concluded that papers were found but no proof was found that Biden mislead or wilfully lied to investigative authorities. Which is the opposite of the Trump scenario. Of course, under the ruling of judge Cannon, Mr Hur would have been found to be unconstitutionally appointed. Which he was not and his findings were accepted. This is a bitty debate, and there are arguments for both sides, but precedent has been set prior to Gannon's ruling. If anyone is interested this a detailed analysis from Syracuse University Law Faculty news.syr.edu/blog/2024/07/16/the-trump-documents-case-should-not-have-been-dismissed-says-law-prof/The "deep state" that Trump argues against is in fact any State that he doesn't like. Just like Reform Party rhetoric
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Post by icegas on Jul 16, 2024 20:09:07 GMT
Last time I'm going to bring this up as you have now proven yourself as a clear,and distiful liar, along with being a coward to go with it. I've asked 3 times where I justified someone on here threatening violence and battery upon someone else, and all 3 times you've ignored the situation and not answered.You are a bully. The left in the real world,along with on here have proven what lack of class they have this week. Not that it matters, but any respect that I had for you in regards to opposing opinions and debate has gone as you have proven yourself as a slandous disgrace. End of discussion, to be "Frank"... Good. The Accuser..you are a liar, and gutless and YOU know you are.
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Post by aghast on Jul 16, 2024 22:46:21 GMT
The Accuser..you are a liar, and gutless and YOU know you are. Not quite the end of the discussion then.🤣
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Post by oldie on Jul 16, 2024 22:51:03 GMT
The Accuser..you are a liar, and gutless and YOU know you are. Not quite the end of the discussion then.🤣 Don't...😂
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Post by icegas on Jul 16, 2024 23:49:26 GMT
The Accuser..you are a liar, and gutless and YOU know you are. Not quite the end of the discussion then.🤣 I'm not going to stop responding to anything that I post in regards to this subject until he does Once he does, then I will stop and it's the end. Im sorry, but I'm not letting him have the final word by saying "Good" or anything else - or by him thinking he has won an argument where he completely lied and refused to provide any proof of me saying what he accused me of.. f**k OFF.. I'm repeating myself, he is a liar and I've called him out on this 3 times, maybe here is now classed as the 4th..? Where is the evidence of me saying what you said that I have done what you said...? See it's been in the media this week, but it's this kinda of rhectic against Trump that lead to him being shot a few days ago be it by a Republican, or a Democrat. Calling him a nazis,a fascist, racist...etc... No proof, just slander. I stop once he stops.
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Post by icegas on Jul 17, 2024 21:36:03 GMT
Come on.....I get what you are trying to suggest, but this was either a crazy..woke,Democrat or it was a deepstate hit job. Im going with the latter. They know that they can't beat Trump, so they tried to kill him. One of the most iconic moments in modern day history was last night when he raised his fist and yelled "fight".. The 20 year old ,alleged to have shot at Trump, a kitchen worker.. registered Republican voter.... Just saw this... No.. He registered as a Republican to vote in a primary against Trump, and he donated $15 to a progressive turnout project.He then SHOT Trump... do the maths... He was not a Republican and neither were either of his parents, do your research.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 18, 2024 5:37:30 GMT
Joe Biden tests positive for Covid, White House says..by Ana Faguy, BBC News, Washington.
i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/04/87478773-13645969-image-a-2_1721274965678.jpg The maskless 81-year-old - whose political future is in jeopardy due to age-related concerns - walked very slowly off of Air Force One, pausing multiple timesJoe Biden has tested positive for Covid-19 and is suffering mild symptoms, the White House says. Karine Jean-Pierre, his press secretary, said the US president was vaccinated and boosted. He has tested positive for Covid twice before. Mr Biden, 81, was seen earlier on Wednesday visiting supporters in Las Vegas and speaking at an event. He cancelled a campaign speech later in the night. The illness comes as he faces increasing pressure to step aside because of his age. US media report that both Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Majority Leader Hakeem Jefferies - the top two Democrats in the US Congress - separately met Mr Biden privately and expressed deep concern that his candidacy could negatively impact other House and Senate races. Ms Jean-Pierre said the president planned to isolate at his home in Delaware while carrying out "all of his duties fully". The president's doctor, Kevin O'Connor, said Mr Biden had presented with upper respiratory symptoms, including a runny nose and a cough, and had been given his first dose of Paxlovid. He felt fine during his first event of the day but later tested positive, Dr O'Connor said. Mr Biden later used X/Twitter to thank everyone for "the well wishes" and said he would "work to get the job done for the American people" while in recovery. In another tweet his account stated "I'm sick" before replying back "... of Elon Musk and his rich buddies trying to buy this election. And if you agree, pitch in here".
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Post by baselswh on Jul 18, 2024 7:03:35 GMT
Looks like it might 'retirement ' for Joe then.It's been on the cards recently, as even his own party have 'eventually noticed' their man is struggling.
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Post by oldie on Jul 18, 2024 7:11:49 GMT
With Pelosi and Schemer allegedly telling him to step away from being the democrats nominee it's hard to see how he can hang on. But I thought having watched the "debate" I thought that then.
It's a bit of a forlorn task though to block Trump. Getting shot at has given him a huge boost. Now he has chosen JD Vance we can expect full on lunacy now. If it is possible to get any worse.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2024 7:56:00 GMT
The 20 year old ,alleged to have shot at Trump, a kitchen worker.. registered Republican voter.... Just saw this... No.. He registered as a Republican to vote in a primary against Trump, and he donated $15 to a progressive turnout project.He then SHOT Trump... do the maths... He was not a Republican and neither were either of his parents, do your research. In the same way that thousands of Tories joined the Labour Party for (was it three quid?) so they could vote for Magic Grandpa Corbyn !
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 18, 2024 15:50:33 GMT
The 20 year old ,alleged to have shot at Trump, a kitchen worker.. registered Republican voter.... Just saw this... No.. He registered as a Republican to vote in a primary against Trump, and he donated $15 to a progressive turnout project.He then SHOT Trump... do the maths... He was not a Republican and neither were either of his parents, do your research. So....how credible, or otherwise is it then ....that this guy..was set up 🤔... Jack Ruby conveniently shot Lee Harvey Oswald.... It is America..
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