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Post by oldie on Nov 7, 2024 15:52:12 GMT
I wonder if Donald will finish the wall he started last time. He's said he will. Cost a few bucks. It fell over |
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Post by oldie on Nov 7, 2024 15:56:21 GMT
10 reasons why Trump won (or Harris lost). In no particular order. I'm sure there are others. 1. "It's the economy, stupid". Bit harsh, as economic indicators are pointing in the right direction. Most incumbent Governments will fall as people feel they are poorer. Largely due to the hysterical reaction to Covid 19, inflationary furlough schemes, the cost of living crisis, and the war in Ukraine. 2. Joe Biden. Already languishing behind in the polls, a toe curling debate with Trump saw him (and by extension the Democrats) lose all credibility. 3. Working class Americans felt listened to by the Republicans. Biden/Harris are perceived as part of the liberal elite and out of touch. 4. The Republicans are perceived as patriotic. The Democrats are perceived as internationalists. Americans are patriotic (rightly or wrongly). Go figure. 5. JD Vance. Great back story. Great orator. Future President? The sooner the better! If Vance had stood against Harris it would have been a total rout. 6. Immigration. At the risk of being sent to prison for 2 years. IMMIGRATION. 7. The witch hunt against Trump. A massive own goal for the Democrats. The frothing at the mouth left wingers pursued him relentlessly through the courts. And the effect of this? Trump was perceived as being victimised. He played the victim card. And it worked. Oddly enough 'the right' pointed this out (well me & Nobby anyway). 'The left' didn't listen. Well done lefties. Now wipe that spittle from your chin. 8. The endorsements. Oh dear. Having relatively young people and inexperienced in business endorse the Democrats did not help. Just a bit embarrassing. 9. Harris adopted Biden's policies. Which she then couldn't explain. People voted for change. Could well be for the worse. Who knows? 10. Trump appears 'strong'. Harris appears 'weak'. Biden appeared to not know what day of the week it was. Will Trump deliver? Probably not. A lot of his election promises are clearly ludicrous. But he offered hope to the American electorate and they responded accordingly. That's democracy. I agree with a lot of that. Not all of it obviously, but there is a lot of truth in that list |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 16:30:16 GMT
So Trump has gained 10 million voters in 8 years during elections cycles, twice from his first victory in 2016? Bidens high numbers in 2020 was just down to the Democrats rebelling againt a successful Trump, that the media dressed up as Hitler. After 4 years of Biden and Harris they lose 15 million yet, Trump's remained the same from 2020? The reason being Trump is a credible, far from perfect candidate with a track record...While the Democrats ran only by attacking the new Hitler and calling everyone nazis. No policies.. no substance.. no soul. The radical left and it's supported media got exposed this week. Or, the majority that opposed Trump voted Harris (in hope) or sat on their hands. The same crowd that voted Trump in 2020 voted Trump in 2024. No more no less. But like I said before Trump could drag Jesus Christ out in chains in front of the White House and hang him on the White House Lawn and those people would still vote for him. That's based on no substance Oldie, and you know that. Your saying..or indicating ( Well hidden ) that Trump voters are thick and stupid and will follow him regardless. But this is what Democrats voters did this week, based on the figures above. Like I pointed out. He GAINED 10 million voters since he entered the political arena in 2016. While I agree that he kept the same figure from 2020 48 hours ago, but why is that? Why has Trump gained 10 million voters in 8 years and kept them, yet the Democrats lost 15 million in 4 years? What you just posted is what happened in regards to the party that you follow not Trump voters. This is based on facts and simple maths sir. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 16:31:22 GMT
10 reasons why Trump won (or Harris lost). In no particular order. I'm sure there are others. 1. "It's the economy, stupid". Bit harsh, as economic indicators are pointing in the right direction. Most incumbent Governments will fall as people feel they are poorer. Largely due to the hysterical reaction to Covid 19, inflationary furlough schemes, the cost of living crisis, and the war in Ukraine. 2. Joe Biden. Already languishing behind in the polls, a toe curling debate with Trump saw him (and by extension the Democrats) lose all credibility. 3. Working class Americans felt listened to by the Republicans. Biden/Harris are perceived as part of the liberal elite and out of touch. 4. The Republicans are perceived as patriotic. The Democrats are perceived as internationalists. Americans are patriotic (rightly or wrongly). Go figure. 5. JD Vance. Great back story. Great orator. Future President? The sooner the better! If Vance had stood against Harris it would have been a total rout. 6. Immigration. At the risk of being sent to prison for 2 years. IMMIGRATION. 7. The witch hunt against Trump. A massive own goal for the Democrats. The frothing at the mouth left wingers pursued him relentlessly through the courts. And the effect of this? Trump was perceived as being victimised. He played the victim card. And it worked. Oddly enough 'the right' pointed this out (well me & Nobby anyway). 'The left' didn't listen. Well done lefties. Now wipe that spittle from your chin. 8. The endorsements. Oh dear. Having relatively young people and inexperienced in business endorse the Democrats did not help. Just a bit embarrassing. 9. Harris adopted Biden's policies. Which she then couldn't explain. People voted for change. Could well be for the worse. Who knows? 10. Trump appears 'strong'. Harris appears 'weak'. Biden appeared to not know what day of the week it was. Will Trump deliver? Probably not. A lot of his election promises are clearly ludicrous. But he offered hope to the American electorate and they responded accordingly. That's democracy. I agree with a lot of that. Not all of it obviously, but there is a lot of truth in that list And I would 2nd that, apart from a few of the final ones. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 16:59:00 GMT
www.youtube.com/live/2fU-A4gO4G4?si=fWnH-d_vxbsE9HcSIs it me or is the man talking normal and seems happier? Why have both him and Harris given their best speeches post Trump won? He is acting like a different person! Btw...did he really just use the term "They busted their nuts" in a white house speech..🤣🤣🤣 If so, my respect has gone up for him.. ✋️ - go on Joe..!😅
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 17:02:25 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Nov 7, 2024 18:18:20 GMT
Just clever headlines, the article doesn't quite match. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 18:21:38 GMT
Just clever headlines, the article doesn't quite match. We will see... Putin is speaking currently on Trump part two. |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 7, 2024 19:37:47 GMT
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Post by trymer on Nov 7, 2024 20:00:19 GMT
I am convinced that the pollsters and msm were trying to influence the result of the election,its either that or gross incompetence.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 8, 2024 4:34:10 GMT
I am convinced that the pollsters and msm were trying to influence the result of the election,its either that or gross incompetence. Its Both Trymer. The gross incompetence part by the media is due to them being able to get away with their lies for so long,that they became complacent,and they became victims of their own lies. Trump's biggest Victory for me is how he has destroyed MSM, and that it now can't be viewed in any creditable way unless you are basically - Thick! As I pointed out, 3 nights ago I followed the whole night live via podcasts online.No BBC, Sky, CNN came on my screen.The views were in the millions of the people that I watched. Joe Rogan who wasn't one of then,however..for example, has far more creditablity than BBC or CNN, its not even close. Piers Morgan, who we all should know is a grade A C.O.C.K.. But with his platform on YouTube, and the guests that he has on, are far more credible than MSM. Same with a Tucker Carlson.I would even value a left side podcaster channel like the Young Turks, who I disagree with, but still value their content over MSM today. The pollsters are paid to release what the deepstate/left want the public to believe. Rogan said yesterday that Trump told him this off air last week. Remember the pre Brexit polls? Pre Trump round one in 2016? And all this past month saying Harris is leading or that it was even in the polls, even though someone like myself that followed everything Trump did could see how popular he was,and what was happening. They want you to believe their narrative... "Oh Harris is winning in Pennsylvania..( Which at one point I read..) trying to brainwash people into not voting as it would be a pointless effort and vote. Bullying, bulls**t all the time.Thats the MSM of today. |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 8, 2024 7:07:43 GMT
Musk cannot be the POTUS. He wasn't born in the US of A. Trump is a servant to billionaires [including Musk] and corporate entities. With his success in both being elected and in both houses of Congress he will have a free hand. He owes people. Trump has also stated - In December 2022, while continuing to push the false claim that he lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud, Trump suggested the "termination of all rules...even those found in the Constitution" was merited. Nothing is beyond possibility or probability now. He has a free hand. He hasn`t won both houses yet, Cheshire. There may be a crumb of comfort for the left, in the dark ( for them ) years ahead. |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 8, 2024 8:03:15 GMT
Welcome to the 21st century.
An age which many on the right see as being dominated by woke political correctness.
And which many on the left see as being practically the coming of the second Enlightenment.
And so the left ran a black, female candidate, and genuinely believed that was all that was needed. They honestly thought that people would vote for her, simply because it would be making a start along the journey of righting the prejudices of the past.
Forget the fact that she had no policies, and even if she did, very little ability to convince the electorate of her ability to carry out such policies. Forget all that.
And so she lost. To Donald Trump, for Christ`s sake. There can`t have been many people in the whole of the US who could have managed that. But Cackling Kamala did. And the left are astonished. And outraged.
They refuse to believe that so many working class people voted for Trump, because they hoped and believed that he would improve their financial situation. Not a bit of it. They voted for Trump because they`re fascists and racists and misogynists.
Fine. If the left don`t change their thinking on all this, then the US is going to have eight years of JD, to follow the next four years of Trump.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2024 8:20:44 GMT
More Americans had pro Trump placards up in their gardens this election.
The boring insult throwing Left had far less effect than they hoped for.Their shaming tactic failed.
"You're a racist for supporting Trump".
"f**k off you ****".
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Post by trymer on Nov 8, 2024 8:42:29 GMT
I am convinced that the pollsters and msm were trying to influence the result of the election,its either that or gross incompetence. Its Both Trymer. The gross incompetence part by the media is due to them being able to get away with their lies for so long,that they became complacent,and they became victims of their own lies. Trump's biggest Victory for me is how he has destroyed MSM, and that it now can't be viewed in any creditable way unless you are basically - Thick! As I pointed out, 3 nights ago I followed the whole night live via podcasts online.No BBC, Sky, CNN came on my screen.The views were in the millions of the people that I watched. Joe Rogan who wasn't one of then,however..for example, has far more creditablity than BBC or CNN, its not even close. Piers Morgan, who we all should know is a grade A C.O.C.K.. But with his platform on YouTube, and the guests that he has on, are far more credible than MSM. Same with a Tucker Carlson.I would even value a left side podcaster channel like the Young Turks, who I disagree with, but still value their content over MSM today. The pollsters are paid to release what the deepstate/left want the public to believe. Rogan said yesterday that Trump told him this off air last week. Remember the pre Brexit polls? Pre Trump round one in 2016? And all this past month saying Harris is leading or that it was even in the polls, even though someone like myself that followed everything Trump did could see how popular he was,and what was happening. They want you to believe their narrative... "Oh Harris is winning in Pennsylvania..( Which at one point I read..) trying to brainwash people into not voting as it would be a pointless effort and vote. Bullying, bulls**t all the time.Thats the MSM of today. I have a good friend who never watches msm for news,a woman in our dog walking group is the same and both of them think that Russia are going to give the Ukes a spanking AND that Trump would win the election...both of these conclusions are differnt to the message from msm. Here are some examples of msm misinformation,well they cant all be correct. North Koreans already deserting (this was a few weeks ago)... North Koreans being slaughtered by Ukes... North Koreans mistakenly kill Russian troops in a blue on blue incident... North Korean troops havent arrived at the front yet as they are still being equipped and trained... People pick out the story that they prefer to believe ? |
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Post by Icegas on Nov 8, 2024 9:52:15 GMT
Its Both Trymer. The gross incompetence part by the media is due to them being able to get away with their lies for so long,that they became complacent,and they became victims of their own lies. Trump's biggest Victory for me is how he has destroyed MSM, and that it now can't be viewed in any creditable way unless you are basically - Thick! As I pointed out, 3 nights ago I followed the whole night live via podcasts online.No BBC, Sky, CNN came on my screen.The views were in the millions of the people that I watched. Joe Rogan who wasn't one of then,however..for example, has far more creditablity than BBC or CNN, its not even close. Piers Morgan, who we all should know is a grade A C.O.C.K.. But with his platform on YouTube, and the guests that he has on, are far more credible than MSM. Same with a Tucker Carlson.I would even value a left side podcaster channel like the Young Turks, who I disagree with, but still value their content over MSM today. The pollsters are paid to release what the deepstate/left want the public to believe. Rogan said yesterday that Trump told him this off air last week. Remember the pre Brexit polls? Pre Trump round one in 2016? And all this past month saying Harris is leading or that it was even in the polls, even though someone like myself that followed everything Trump did could see how popular he was,and what was happening. They want you to believe their narrative... "Oh Harris is winning in Pennsylvania..( Which at one point I read..) trying to brainwash people into not voting as it would be a pointless effort and vote. Bullying, bulls**t all the time.Thats the MSM of today. I have a good friend who never watches msm for news,a woman in our dog walking group is the same and both of them think that Russia are going to give the Ukes a spanking AND that Trump would win the election...both of these conclusions are differnt to the message from msm. Here are some examples of msm misinformation,well they cant all be correct. North Koreans already deserting (this was a few weeks ago)... North Koreans being slaughtered by Ukes... North Koreans mistakenly kill Russian troops in a blue on blue incident... North Korean troops havent arrived at the front yet as they are still being equipped and trained... People pick out the story that they prefer to believe ? I personally would choose the last one if we are talking about things that MSM are saying is happening, but there is no proof to whether it is.. I could make a case for giving the same answer to all of them,depending on how I wanted MY version of the story to continue,and told. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 8, 2024 10:01:12 GMT
Trump is a servant to billionaires [including Musk] and corporate entities. With his success in both being elected and in both houses of Congress he will have a free hand. He owes people. Trump has also stated - In December 2022, while continuing to push the false claim that he lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud, Trump suggested the "termination of all rules...even those found in the Constitution" was merited. Nothing is beyond possibility or probability now. He has a free hand. He hasn`t won both houses yet, Cheshire. There may be a crumb of comfort for the left, in the dark ( for them ) years ahead. You are indeed correct Alf. I think the Democrats will be in the dark for a long time to come if Donald puts in to action the things he and his backers have said they want to do. And so will a lot of people outside America. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2024 15:17:09 GMT
The 100 odd Commie Labour Oldie types,that went to the US to help Kamala.
Their record ,where they helped out,was 100% loss.
Were they listening to Oldie?
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 8, 2024 15:20:15 GMT
Not sure here, but I thought that any President could only serve for Two terms, or possibly two consecutive terms at the most.🤔
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Post by baldrick on Nov 8, 2024 15:42:23 GMT
Not sure here, but I thought that any President could only serve for Two terms, or possibly two consecutive terms at the most.🤔 They can't, the Constitution was amended after FDR. In theory it could be changed again but the thresholds required make that unlikely. |
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