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Post by baselswh on Jun 24, 2024 11:32:28 GMT
Farage makes a great speech in Leeds.
Johnson ko-ed! Starmer ko-ed!
He receives another good reception.
Vote Reform.
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Post by trymer on Jun 24, 2024 16:26:05 GMT
Simon jenkins in the Guardian online agreeing with Farage on his Ukraine comments ! must be a first for anyone from that lefty rag to agree with NF/Reform..he is also critical of the sort of politicians who go on a junket to ukraine and have a picture with Zelensky.
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 16:54:09 GMT
This is what Jenkins actually said, something not captured in presenting a headline.
"But ultimately the west behaved with care. It did nothing to provoke Russia over its brutality in Chechnya or its invasion and annexation of Georgian territory in 2008. It remained an observer in 2014 over Russia’s reoccupation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukrainian Donbas. It certainly did not seriously contemplate admitting Ukraine to Nato, which would have unquestionably been provocative. If there was some historic validity in Farage’s charge of provocation, it is surely spent by now."
Exactly Farage's effort is pure headline grabbing.
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Post by trymer on Jun 24, 2024 17:02:30 GMT
Simon jenkins in the Guardian online agreeing with Farage on his Ukraine comments ! must be a first for anyone from that lefty rag to agree with NF/Reform..he is also critical of the sort of politicians who go on a junket to ukraine and have a picture with Zelensky. I wonder if Blue Tornado could find and put up the whole article ? that will stop anyone from posting a paragraph and pretending that its the whole article. The Independent saying that the latest poll of 10,000 people puts Reform above the Tories AND taking votes from Labour 1
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Post by baselswh on Jun 24, 2024 17:03:03 GMT
This is what Jenkins actually said, something not captured in presenting a headline. "But ultimately the west behaved with care. It did nothing to provoke Russia over its brutality in Chechnya or its invasion and annexation of Georgian territory in 2008. It remained an observer in 2014 over Russia’s reoccupation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukrainian Donbas. It certainly did not seriously contemplate admitting Ukraine to Nato, which would have unquestionably been provocative. If there was some historic validity in Farage’s charge of provocation, it is surely spent by now." Exactly Farage's effort is pure headline grabbing. Plenty agree with Farage. "Headline grabbing" or not ,Nigel is all over the media ay Oldie. I told you he had been studying Donald Trump and was clever enough to realise that not all things travel across the pond well. Hopefully,when Rovers score at the Mem this season, you won't be shouting "HOT DOG"!🇺🇸
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Post by trymer on Jun 24, 2024 17:14:42 GMT
This is what Jenkins actually said, something not captured in presenting a headline. "But ultimately the west behaved with care. It did nothing to provoke Russia over its brutality in Chechnya or its invasion and annexation of Georgian territory in 2008. It remained an observer in 2014 over Russia’s reoccupation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukrainian Donbas. It certainly did not seriously contemplate admitting Ukraine to Nato, which would have unquestionably been provocative. If there was some historic validity in Farage’s charge of provocation, it is surely spent by now." Exactly Farage's effort is pure headline grabbing. Plenty agree with Farage. "Headline grabbing" or not ,Nigel is all over the media ay Oldie. I told you he had been studying Donald Trump and was clever enough to realise that not all things travel across the pond well. Hopefully,when Rovers score at the Mem this season, you won't be shouting "HOT DOG"!🇺🇸 Read the whole article Bas,I was unaware that Russia had applied to join NATO !
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 17:16:58 GMT
In other relevant election news, Tories hiding, or trying to.
The Tories have instructed lawyers to fight the release of documents showing the impact of a cut to Universal Credit ahead of the General Election.
Not that it matters in terms of the election
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 17:21:00 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 17:40:38 GMT
More shouting today from Farage about an invasion. Meanwhile the Institute of Fiscal Studies (IFS) has a pop
"But he was attacked on a different front, as the Institute for Fiscal Studies accused Reform of “unattainable” tax claims he said had helped to “poison the entire political debate”.
The IFS accused parties of a “conspiracy of silence” over “painful” economic decisions after the election - and said it would be a surprise if there are no further tax rises in the next five years."
Exactly.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 24, 2024 17:48:27 GMT
I reckon that lesser mortals will be paying 25% direct tax by the end of the next parliament ,with extra " hidden tax " somewhere in the region of 7.5% . Now is the time to die if you want to avoid paying yourself, make sure you get a good tax advisor first thou' and.....sort your will out (before you go) đź¤
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 18:07:19 GMT
I reckon that lesser mortals will be paying 25% direct tax by the end of the next parliament ,with extra " hidden tax " somewhere in the region of 7.5% . Now is the time to die if you want to avoid paying yourself, make sure you get a good tax advisor first thou' and.....sort your will out (before you go) 🤠It is a fact (I believe) LiS that political leaders are not being straight with us on the nations finances. We are either going to have to pay more in taxes to fund our expectations of public services or accept less service. The Tories are desperate not to have their record scrutinised since 2010, Labour are desperate not to declare enough detail of their manifesto so as not to be challenged and of course Reform, in true Farage style, are just making it up. The IFS are correct, (they usually are), the country is in a mess and political leaders are not being straight with us.
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Post by trymer on Jun 24, 2024 18:17:36 GMT
I reckon that lesser mortals will be paying 25% direct tax by the end of the next parliament ,with extra " hidden tax " somewhere in the region of 7.5% . Now is the time to die if you want to avoid paying yourself, make sure you get a good tax advisor first thou' and.....sort your will out (before you go) 🤠Well Reform want to get rid of the TV license so that should help a few people,not Gary Lineker and co of course but no doubt they will get highly paid jobs elsewhere no doubt .....
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Post by baselswh on Jun 24, 2024 19:10:47 GMT
George Robertson,a Labour Party MP,Secutary of Defence and former 10th General Secretary Of NATO agrees with Farage .In the last fortnight or so he has said 'the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is a direct result of European Union expansion'.
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 20:53:54 GMT
Not really "realists such as the academic John Mearsheimer, is that Nato expansion in eastern Europe was the reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Robertson dismissed the idea. “I met Putin nine times during my time at Nato. He never mentioned Nato enlargement once.” What Robertson said next was interesting: “He’s not bothered about Nato, or Nato enlargement. He’s bothered by the European Union. The whole Ukraine crisis started with the offer of an [EU] accession agreement to Ukraine [in 2014].” This from May of this year www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2024/05/george-robertson-nato-why-russia-fears-european-unionIt's the EU, not NATO. All nationalist loonies fear liberal societies bound by treaty and the rule of law. They hate it, it dilutes their power
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Post by baselswh on Jun 24, 2024 21:24:25 GMT
Not really "realists such as the academic John Mearsheimer, is that Nato expansion in eastern Europe was the reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Robertson dismissed the idea. “I met Putin nine times during my time at Nato. He never mentioned Nato enlargement once.” What Robertson said next was interesting: “He’s not bothered about Nato, or Nato enlargement. He’s bothered by the European Union. The whole Ukraine crisis started with the offer of an [EU] accession agreement to Ukraine [in 2014].” This from May of this year www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2024/05/george-robertson-nato-why-russia-fears-european-unionIt's the EU, not NATO. All nationalist loonies fear liberal societies bound by treaty and the rule of law. They hate it, it dilutes their power "Not really".A bit of a wet response Oldie. Not EUs fault the fault is with Putin,but Farage is right now and he was right in 2014 when telling Brussels and predicting war, 'don't poke the bear'. Farage was and is right. A big Labour man,massively experienced in UK Defence and NATO agrees with Farage. Great speech from Nigel today up in Leeds. 🇬🇧
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Post by oldie on Jun 24, 2024 23:20:53 GMT
Not really "realists such as the academic John Mearsheimer, is that Nato expansion in eastern Europe was the reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Robertson dismissed the idea. “I met Putin nine times during my time at Nato. He never mentioned Nato enlargement once.” What Robertson said next was interesting: “He’s not bothered about Nato, or Nato enlargement. He’s bothered by the European Union. The whole Ukraine crisis started with the offer of an [EU] accession agreement to Ukraine [in 2014].” This from May of this year www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2024/05/george-robertson-nato-why-russia-fears-european-unionIt's the EU, not NATO. All nationalist loonies fear liberal societies bound by treaty and the rule of law. They hate it, it dilutes their power "Not really".A bit of a wet response Oldie. Not EUs fault the fault is with Putin,but Farage is right now and he was right in 2014 when telling Brussels and predicting war, 'don't poke the bear'. Farage was and is right. A big Labour man,massively experienced in UK Defence and NATO agrees with Farage. Great speech from Nigel today up in Leeds. 🇬🇧 The difference is I actually quoted Robertson Not interpreting in a way that I want to read. Robertson was unequivocal, it was the EU and liberal free markets that Putin feared, not NATO as such. Farage just makes it up to suit his agenda.
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Post by oldie on Jun 25, 2024 1:40:21 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 25, 2024 4:31:21 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jun 25, 2024 6:10:20 GMT
"Not really".A bit of a wet response Oldie. Not EUs fault the fault is with Putin,but Farage is right now and he was right in 2014 when telling Brussels and predicting war, 'don't poke the bear'. Farage was and is right. A big Labour man,massively experienced in UK Defence and NATO agrees with Farage. Great speech from Nigel today up in Leeds. 🇬🇧 The difference is I actually quoted Robertson Not interpreting in a way that I want to read. Robertson was unequivocal, it was the EU and liberal free markets that Putin feared, not NATO as such. Farage just makes it up to suit his agenda. Potential enemies on his door step.He does'nt want that. Farage first spoke of this in 2014,others lambasted him. Farage was right on the ball. 25th June,the EU and Moldova will open talks that may lead to Moldova becoming an EU member.This could take years.Hmm.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 25, 2024 7:02:03 GMT
Starmer promises Brexit will be safe. No going back. 🇬🇧
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