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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 14:44:59 GMT
This always makes me laugh "Meanwhile, on Monday, Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said he returned to the political frontline as βnothing actually works anymoreβ and that the Tories had failed to implement Brexit properly." It reminds me of the old communists who, when defending the ideas of communism, would accept no criticism when the old Soviet Union was raised as an example, claiming "they had not done it properly" Extremists eh, who would believe them....oh...hang on Meanwhile www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-single-market-government-uk-b2564042.htmlπ²
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 14:47:46 GMT
Saying that's true then, you cannot claim that Reform is the "radical alternative" it and it's supporters claim? You seem to be concentrating on the 'costings' and ignoring the policies. Doctor's and Nurses having their student loans wiped out after serving for 10 years in the NHS. Don't you think this is a good idea to help with staff retention? Increasing the base rate threshold for tax to 20,000. Don't you think this helps those on lower wages? Or are you happier to stick to character assassination politics? Are Reform radical? No, I don't think so. However, they are the only party that will not raise taxes to pay for their policies, unlike Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc etc. There is not a single tax increase in their policies. The good news is that if Reform are taking a lot of flak, it means they are over the target ! I don't know if that was intentional or not but you are confirming that Reforms policies do not add up?
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 14:53:39 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jun 18, 2024 14:55:59 GMT
Saying that's true then, you cannot claim that Reform is the "radical alternative" it and it's supporters claim? You seem to be concentrating on the 'costings' and ignoring the policies. Doctor's and Nurses having their student loans wiped out after serving for 10 years in the NHS. Don't you think this is a good idea to help with staff retention? Increasing the base rate threshold for tax to 20,000. Don't you think this helps those on lower wages? Or are you happier to stick to character assassination politics? Are Reform radical? No, I don't think so. However, they are the only party that will not raise taxes to pay for their policies, unlike Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc etc. There is not a single tax increase in their policies. The good news is that if Reform are taking a lot of flak, it means they are over the target ! The Β£20,000 earnt and pay no tax is surely a real motivation for the unemployed, those chained to benifits ,to break free,get a job and get their lives going. A real game changer.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 18, 2024 15:02:38 GMT
Labour avoid the word "immigration " at all costs.Full stop. π
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:09:28 GMT
You seem to be concentrating on the 'costings' and ignoring the policies. Doctor's and Nurses having their student loans wiped out after serving for 10 years in the NHS. Don't you think this is a good idea to help with staff retention? Increasing the base rate threshold for tax to 20,000. Don't you think this helps those on lower wages? Or are you happier to stick to character assassination politics? Are Reform radical? No, I don't think so. However, they are the only party that will not raise taxes to pay for their policies, unlike Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc etc. There is not a single tax increase in their policies. The good news is that if Reform are taking a lot of flak, it means they are over the target ! The Β£20,000 earnt and pay no tax is surely a real motivation for the unemployed, those chained to benifits ,to break free,get a job and get their lives going. A real game changer. How are we going to pay for that? "The UK government's borrowing rate, or the difference between its public sector spending and income, varies from month to month. In April 2024, the UK government's borrowing was Β£20.5 billion, which was the fourth highest April borrowing since 1993. As of April 2024, the UK government's debt was 97.9% of its GDP, and 89.9% when excluding the Bank of England's debt. This is the highest debt the UK government has incurred since the early 1960" Go Nigel....πππ
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:11:14 GMT
Labour avoid the word "immigration " at all costs.Full stop. π Have you thought that is because there are other issues, as highlighted on this thread?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 18, 2024 15:11:29 GMT
You seem to be concentrating on the 'costings' and ignoring the policies. Doctor's and Nurses having their student loans wiped out after serving for 10 years in the NHS. Don't you think this is a good idea to help with staff retention? Increasing the base rate threshold for tax to 20,000. Don't you think this helps those on lower wages? Or are you happier to stick to character assassination politics? Are Reform radical? No, I don't think so. However, they are the only party that will not raise taxes to pay for their policies, unlike Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc etc. There is not a single tax increase in their policies. The good news is that if Reform are taking a lot of flak, it means they are over the target ! I don't know if that was intentional or not but you are confirming that Reforms policies do not add up? Nobodies policies add up! Do you really think Labour's add up? Seriously?
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Post by baselswh on Jun 18, 2024 15:12:57 GMT
Labour avoid the word "immigration " at all costs.Full stop. π Have you thought that is because there are other issues, as highlighted on this thread? Haha!π
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 18, 2024 15:13:33 GMT
Oh dear, so Labour are proposing to increase 'devolution' across England? That went so well for Scotland and Wales didn't it.
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:14:10 GMT
I don't know if that was intentional or not but you are confirming that Reforms policies do not add up? Nobodies policies add up! Do you really think Labour's add up? Seriously? There are holes, wishful thinking and then there is rank stupidity. Reform are squarely in the latter
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:14:30 GMT
Have you thought that is because there are other issues, as highlighted on this thread? Haha!π Exactly
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 18, 2024 15:17:19 GMT
The Β£20,000 earnt and pay no tax is surely a real motivation for the unemployed, those chained to benifits ,to break free,get a job and get their lives going. A real game changer. How are we going to pay for that? "The UK government's borrowing rate, or the difference between its public sector spending and income, varies from month to month. In April 2024, the UK government's borrowing was Β£20.5 billion, which was the fourth highest April borrowing since 1993. As of April 2024, the UK government's debt was 97.9% of its GDP, and 89.9% when excluding the Bank of England's debt. This is the highest debt the UK government has incurred since the early 1960" Go Nigel....πππ Are you aware that the thresholds on NI and Income Tax bands are set as they are until 2028? This means as pay rises, more and more people will pay more. It's called Fiscal Drag.
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:17:35 GMT
Oh dear, so Labour are proposing to increase 'devolution' across England? That went so well for Scotland and Wales didn't it. ππ Let's ignore the Institute for Government appraisal shall we....
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 18, 2024 15:19:54 GMT
Oh dear, so Labour are proposing to increase 'devolution' across England? That went so well for Scotland and Wales didn't it. ππ Let's ignore the Institute for Government appraisal shall we.... Sorry, who are they? I'd rather see myself, using both Scotland and Wales as examples of Devolution. Do you think Devolution has been a success so far?
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:20:13 GMT
How are we going to pay for that? "The UK government's borrowing rate, or the difference between its public sector spending and income, varies from month to month. In April 2024, the UK government's borrowing was Β£20.5 billion, which was the fourth highest April borrowing since 1993. As of April 2024, the UK government's debt was 97.9% of its GDP, and 89.9% when excluding the Bank of England's debt. This is the highest debt the UK government has incurred since the early 1960" Go Nigel....πππ Are you aware that the thresholds on NI and Income Tax bands are set as they are until 2028? This means as pay rises, more and more people will pay more. It's called Fiscal Drag. Stop it, you are making me laugh. So on one hand you say raising the threshold is a good thing, but then suggesting that this will be funded by people paying more in tax...the mind boggles
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:23:21 GMT
ππ Let's ignore the Institute for Government appraisal shall we.... Sorry, who are they? I'd rather see myself, using both Scotland and Wales as examples of Devolution. Do you think Devolution has been a success so far? An independent appraiser of government. Whether it works for Scotland or Wales is a matter for the people of those countries. What I do believe is that over centralisation of power and decision making in England has not worked.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 18, 2024 15:24:42 GMT
Are you aware that the thresholds on NI and Income Tax bands are set as they are until 2028? This means as pay rises, more and more people will pay more. It's called Fiscal Drag. Stop it, you are making me laugh. So on one hand you say raising the threshold is a good thing, but then suggesting that this will be funded by people paying more in tax...the mind boggles No Oldie. As always your view of things are just black & white. You do seem to be unable to look at things realistically. The threshold is for lower paid workers. You do understand that? Guess what, there are other tax brackets available!
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Post by baselswh on Jun 18, 2024 15:24:59 GMT
The Β£20,000 earnt and pay no tax is surely a real motivation for the unemployed, those chained to benifits ,to break free,get a job and get their lives going. A real game changer. How are we going to pay for that? "The UK government's borrowing rate, or the difference between its public sector spending and income, varies from month to month. In April 2024, the UK government's borrowing was Β£20.5 billion, which was the fourth highest April borrowing since 1993. As of April 2024, the UK government's debt was 97.9% of its GDP, and 89.9% when excluding the Bank of England's debt. This is the highest debt the UK government has incurred since the early 1960" Go Nigel....πππ Reform will drain a few swamps here and there,they have plans. So much more positive than Labour. Incentivise the unemployed to work! With a real wage packet. Change peoples lives. Not just pay them to stay at home,rotting,in mind,body and soul. As Labour will do.
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2024 15:27:35 GMT
Stop it, you are making me laugh. So on one hand you say raising the threshold is a good thing, but then suggesting that this will be funded by people paying more in tax...the mind boggles No Oldie. As always your view of things are just black & white. You do seem to be unable to look at things realistically. The threshold is for lower paid workers. You do understand that? Guess what, there are other tax brackets available! Yeah ok, if you say 2+2=4 is too "black & white...then guilty as charged. But I still cannot believe you are promoting increasing the tax takeπ€π€
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