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Sept 13, 2024 21:10:47 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2024 21:10:47 GMT
Anyone who pretends Reform are not just a single issue party is either misinformed or in denial. They only have other "policies" because they have to fill more than one page in their manifesto. It would be embarrassing otherwise. Ok, some people vote Reform. Quite a few actually. But no way on this earth are they voting Reform because of their dynamic new economic policies. Funny, but before the last election, Reform were saying that the NHS doesn't need more money, it needs a reform. None of the other parties were saying that. What are Labour saying now? The NHS doesn't need more money, but it needs a reform. However, the reform that Labour are proposing just doesn't cut it. More rubbish. Wes Streeting, pre election. "They can’t use the usual get out of jail free card of saying ‘we want investment in the NHS’. Of course we all want investment in the NHS, a Labour government will deliver investment in the NHS, but it takes time to build that NHS capacity back, and people have to be honest about that.” Streeting has repeatedly underlined how his priority as health secretary would be to reform the NHS. But he said: “The lesson of the last Labour government is that it’s investment plus reform that delivers results … We did it before and we’ll do it again.” In the meantime, the Reform Party were prattling on about immigration. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 14, 2024 5:41:53 GMT
Funny, but before the last election, Reform were saying that the NHS doesn't need more money, it needs a reform. None of the other parties were saying that. What are Labour saying now? The NHS doesn't need more money, but it needs a reform. However, the reform that Labour are proposing just doesn't cut it. More rubbish. Wes Streeting, pre election. "They can’t use the usual get out of jail free card of saying ‘we want investment in the NHS’. Of course we all want investment in the NHS, a Labour government will deliver investment in the NHS, but it takes time to build that NHS capacity back, and people have to be honest about that.” Streeting has repeatedly underlined how his priority as health secretary would be to reform the NHS. But he said: “The lesson of the last Labour government is that it’s investment plus reform that delivers results … We did it before and we’ll do it again.” In the meantime, the Reform Party were prattling on about immigration. Shall I type a bit slower for you. Reform were saying no investment/ money needed, but a reform. It was in their contract. Labour, as you have posted, were saying investment & reform. Labour now say no investment, but reform. |
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Sept 14, 2024 7:27:21 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 14, 2024 7:27:21 GMT
More rubbish. Wes Streeting, pre election. "They can’t use the usual get out of jail free card of saying ‘we want investment in the NHS’. Of course we all want investment in the NHS, a Labour government will deliver investment in the NHS, but it takes time to build that NHS capacity back, and people have to be honest about that.” Streeting has repeatedly underlined how his priority as health secretary would be to reform the NHS. But he said: “The lesson of the last Labour government is that it’s investment plus reform that delivers results … We did it before and we’ll do it again.” In the meantime, the Reform Party were prattling on about immigration. Shall I type a bit slower for you. Reform were saying no investment/ money needed, but a reform. It was in their contract. Labour, as you have posted, were saying investment & reform. Labour now say no investment, but reform. There was a classic line which made me laugh last week. Referring to the need for capital investment into the NHS .. "It's equivalent to training bus drivers but have no buses to drive" From the Darzi report "Starving” the service of vital capital funding has left “crumbling buildings, mental health patients being accommodated in Victorian-era cells infested with vermin with 17 men sharing two showers, and parts of the NHS operating in decrepit portable buildings”. Efforts to improve early diagnosis of cancer saw “no progress whatsoever made … between 2013 and 2021”, despite many lives depending on that." |
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Sept 14, 2024 9:20:38 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 14, 2024 9:20:38 GMT
More rubbish. Wes Streeting, pre election. "They can’t use the usual get out of jail free card of saying ‘we want investment in the NHS’. Of course we all want investment in the NHS, a Labour government will deliver investment in the NHS, but it takes time to build that NHS capacity back, and people have to be honest about that.” Streeting has repeatedly underlined how his priority as health secretary would be to reform the NHS. But he said: “The lesson of the last Labour government is that it’s investment plus reform that delivers results … We did it before and we’ll do it again.” In the meantime, the Reform Party were prattling on about immigration. Shall I type a bit slower for you. Reform were saying no investment/ money needed, but a reform. It was in their contract.Labour, as you have posted, were saying investment & reform. Labour now say no investment, but reform. Is that the contract which they have now abandoned Nobby? |
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Sept 20, 2024 7:04:40 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 7:04:40 GMT
It's the Reform Party conference start this weekend.
It's esteemed leader "Our Nige" Farage kicks the weekend off by lying as to why he has not held any MP surgeries in Clacton. He claimed the Speakers Office advised him not to.
The Speakers Office say they advised no such thing.
The man cannot speak a word without either making it up, or just outright lying.
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Sept 20, 2024 7:12:33 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Sept 20, 2024 7:12:33 GMT
The Reform Conference should see numbers added to the 80,000 membership.
I imagine the plans to make the party more democratic will be officially announced.
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Sept 20, 2024 9:28:33 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2024 9:28:33 GMT
More rubbish. Wes Streeting, pre election. "They can’t use the usual get out of jail free card of saying ‘we want investment in the NHS’. Of course we all want investment in the NHS, a Labour government will deliver investment in the NHS, but it takes time to build that NHS capacity back, and people have to be honest about that.” Streeting has repeatedly underlined how his priority as health secretary would be to reform the NHS. But he said: “The lesson of the last Labour government is that it’s investment plus reform that delivers results … We did it before and we’ll do it again.” In the meantime, the Reform Party were prattling on about immigration. Shall I type a bit slower for you. Reform were saying no investment/ money needed, but a reform. It was in their contract. Labour, as you have posted, were saying investment & reform. Labour now say no investment, but reform. The contract that was dropped immediately after the election Nobby, that contract. By the way Nobby I owe you an apology. I repeated an article that had misinformation in it. I repeated Nigel Farage's statement that he had been advised by the Speaker's Office on violence and not holding surgery's accordingly for fear of knife attack. It appears that was untrue and has been denied by the Speaker's office. My apologies. |
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Sept 20, 2024 9:38:30 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 9:38:30 GMT
Shall I type a bit slower for you. Reform were saying no investment/ money needed, but a reform. It was in their contract. Labour, as you have posted, were saying investment & reform. Labour now say no investment, but reform. The contract that was dropped immediately after the election Nobby, that contract. By the way Nobby I owe you an apology. I repeated an article that had misinformation in it. I repeated Nigel Farage's statement that he had been advised by the Speaker's Office on violence and not holding surgery's accordingly for fear of knife attack. It appears that was untrue and has been denied by the Speaker's office. My apologies. The contract was not 'dropped'. The election was over so time to move on. Do you expect them to keep that same contract for the next five years until the next election? |
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Sept 20, 2024 9:40:56 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 9:40:56 GMT
It's the Reform Party conference start this weekend. It's esteemed leader "Our Nige" Farage kicks the weekend off by lying as to why he has not held any MP surgeries in Clacton. He claimed the Speakers Office advised him not to. The Speakers Office say they advised no such thing. The man cannot speak a word without either making it up, or just outright lying. I don't think it would be a good idea for Farage to be in a room alone, one-on-one, with 'some' of the general public. He has every right to fear for his safety. He was attacked twice during the GE campaign. No other party leader was attacked. |
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Sept 20, 2024 9:45:35 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 9:45:35 GMT
It's the Reform Party conference start this weekend. It's esteemed leader "Our Nige" Farage kicks the weekend off by lying as to why he has not held any MP surgeries in Clacton. He claimed the Speakers Office advised him not to. The Speakers Office say they advised no such thing. The man cannot speak a word without either making it up, or just outright lying. I don't think it would be a good idea for Farage to be in a room alone, one-on-one, with 'some' of the general public. He has every right to fear for his safety. He was attacked twice during the GE campaign. No other party leader was attacked. Perhaps But why lie about the advice he did not receive? In fact all MPs are sadly under threat from the lunatic fringes of society. Look at some of comments on here...I have been called a "traitor", scum and just the other day and enabler of sexual violence towards women. That from a Reform Party supporter |
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Sept 20, 2024 10:00:13 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2024 10:00:13 GMT
It's the Reform Party conference start this weekend. It's esteemed leader "Our Nige" Farage kicks the weekend off by lying as to why he has not held any MP surgeries in Clacton. He claimed the Speakers Office advised him not to. The Speakers Office say they advised no such thing. The man cannot speak a word without either making it up, or just outright lying. I don't think it would be a good idea for Farage to be in a room alone, one-on-one, with 'some' of the general public. He has every right to fear for his safety. He was attacked twice during the GE campaign. No other party leader was attacked. He had drinks thrown over him, which I agree is classed as assault. Who says he has to be alone? Why doesn't he have security, he usually has some hefty looking thugs with him when he's out and about. The police often help out if there is a real threat. Either he has no confidence in his security team or it's just another reason not to do his elected job. Why do people always try to excuse him from doing want he is elected and paid to do? Others seem to be able to do their job. |
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Sept 20, 2024 11:32:07 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 11:32:07 GMT
I don't think it would be a good idea for Farage to be in a room alone, one-on-one, with 'some' of the general public. He has every right to fear for his safety. He was attacked twice during the GE campaign. No other party leader was attacked. He had drinks thrown over him, which I agree is classed as assault. Who says he has to be alone? Why doesn't he have security, he usually has some hefty looking thugs with him when he's out and about. The police often help out if there is a real threat. Either he has no confidence in his security team or it's just another reason not to do his elected job. Why do people always try to excuse him from doing want he is elected and paid to do? Others seem to be able to do their job. He is (Farage) a liar Cheshire. And people fall, have fallen, for it |
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Sept 20, 2024 11:37:44 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2024 11:37:44 GMT
He had drinks thrown over him, which I agree is classed as assault. Who says he has to be alone? Why doesn't he have security, he usually has some hefty looking thugs with him when he's out and about. The police often help out if there is a real threat. Either he has no confidence in his security team or it's just another reason not to do his elected job. Why do people always try to excuse him from doing want he is elected and paid to do? Others seem to be able to do their job. He is (Farage) a liar Cheshire. And people fall, have fallen, for it What I find utterly bizarre is the same people saying that politicians are all the same, slagging off Labour for 'lying' and being 'Red Tories' will back to the hilt a man with a reputation for rhetoric with no substance and who is almost as economical with the truth as Boris Johnson was. And as they have dropped their so called contract with the people shouted loud by its leaders, the Reform Party Limited have no mandate from the people who voted for them..... |
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Sept 20, 2024 11:42:08 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Sept 20, 2024 11:42:08 GMT
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Sept 20, 2024 11:43:14 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 11:43:14 GMT
He is (Farage) a liar Cheshire. And people fall, have fallen, for it What I find utterly bizarre is the same people saying that politicians are all the same, slagging off Labour for 'lying' and being 'Red Tories' will back to the hilt a man with a reputation for rhetoric with no substance and who is almost as economical with the truth as Boris Johnson was. And as they have dropped their so called contract with the people shouted loud by its leaders, the Reform Party Limited have no mandate from the people who voted for them..... Precisely put. But hey, as long as Reform keep banging the immigration drum some will keep following, a bit like the Pied Piper of Hamelin. |
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Sept 20, 2024 12:04:21 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 12:04:21 GMT
Sigh....The solution is not returning boats back to France, but stopping them from launching in the first place. The main way to stop this is to have a deterrent in place, which was the intention of the Rwanda policy. Rwanda wasn't about actually taking people there but designed to stop people coming over if they knew if they were caught they'd be sent to Rwanda ! Labour have scrapped it without anything else in place, so now there is no deterrent. Why are they looking at Albania? |
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Sept 20, 2024 12:07:13 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 12:07:13 GMT
What I find utterly bizarre is the same people saying that politicians are all the same, slagging off Labour for 'lying' and being 'Red Tories' will back to the hilt a man with a reputation for rhetoric with no substance and who is almost as economical with the truth as Boris Johnson was. And as they have dropped their so called contract with the people shouted loud by its leaders, the Reform Party Limited have no mandate from the people who voted for them..... Precisely put. But hey, as long as Reform keep banging the immigration drum some will keep following, a bit like the Pied Piper of Hamelin. You are a head in the sand type aren't you. You are aware that immigration is the hottest ticket in town politically all across Europe? You are aware that Germany are ripping up the Schengen Agreement? Holland and others want to follow suit as well, because of immigration. Or maybe you are just unaware. |
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Sept 20, 2024 12:11:02 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Sept 20, 2024 12:11:02 GMT
Sigh....The solution is not returning boats back to France, but stopping them from launching in the first place. The main way to stop this is to have a deterrent in place, which was the intention of the Rwanda policy. Rwanda wasn't about actually taking people there but designed to stop people coming over if they knew if they were caught they'd be sent to Rwanda ! Labour have scrapped it without anything else in place, so now there is no deterrent. Why are they looking at Albania? Why the sigh? Bas wanted them returned and didn't believe me when I said it was against international law. Tice is seen here repeating it. |
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Sept 20, 2024 12:12:09 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Sept 20, 2024 12:12:09 GMT
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Sept 20, 2024 12:23:41 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Sept 20, 2024 12:23:41 GMT
4000 attend the Reform Conference.
Ant Middleton amongst the speakers.
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