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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 12:08:27 GMT
Reform now have over 70,000 members. 🇬🇧 Evidence?
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Jul 23, 2024 12:21:53 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 12:21:53 GMT
No Oldie, let's try this again. Your responses were just your opinions and not facts. Let's try this again. My opinion(s) are predicated upon the printed and original statements from Reform, which I quoted, word for word. I have not just made it up. Unlike statements on here, such as "taxes will rise" (which indeed they may) but without any evidence other than a personal opinion. I hope that helps Jesus H......They are your opinions, nothing else ! I know you have not made up the statements from Reform, but your responses are just your opinion, without any evidence! Can you point out the factual evidence in your responses? "I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense." "Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?" "😂😂 "I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge."
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Jul 23, 2024 12:46:46 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 23, 2024 12:46:46 GMT
Nobby Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine. Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents. Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic. Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said ' Most people are concerned... ' nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. Your opinion not facts. PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News? I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting. So Farage can be quoted but you require the full text, noted for future reference when Starmer and Labour are misquoted on here. EU rights, a.o. right to travel, work and own property freely without restriction. Right to use EU institutions such as Erasmus. The freedom to conduct a business in accordance with Union law and national laws and practices is recognised. Better working conditions - note recent Telegraph article where London banks are complaining about EU workers rights. Rights of assembly better than those in the UK which were eroded by the last Government. Science institutions working together across the EU, something which British scientists have been frustrated with where they could not have full membership such as Copernicus, Euratom R&D etc Etc etc I have no problem with dual nationality. Only the hypocrisy of those who damn the EU like Farage, Dyson and Ratcliffe and then exploit opportunities within it. I don't have an issue with opinion, but when it is treated like fact e.g. 'Most people are concerned...' intimating that a known majority are against something when in fact that is not the case. If you said 'in my opinion...' or 'my view is...' I have no problem, but that is not what you were saying. As for pub debate, since Brexit I try not to discuss politics in the pub with anyone other than those I know can have a reasoned conversation or debate. After being told on a number of occasions by Brexiteers to 'f**k off, you lost, get over it' when talking about the banking market and the impact of Brexit, which I know a bit about but it differed from what they had read in the Daily Mail, Sun and Express.... I no longer engage with those in the pub who think I am not entitled to an opinion different from their own. PS Farage can live where the hell he wants as his family are domiciled as German citizens freely living with the benefit of EU citizenship in Brussels, but I expect him to be like any other MPs working for his constituents. In my opinion he doesn't give a toss about Clacton. A bit like when he was an MEP representing Fishing and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. He didn't care about anyone other than Nigel then and his actions and words [mostly about Nigel, Donald or immigrants] indicate he hasn't changed.
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Jul 23, 2024 12:55:46 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 12:55:46 GMT
I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting. So Farage can be quoted but you require the full text, noted for future reference when Starmer and Labour are misquoted on here. EU rights, a.o. right to travel, work and own property freely without restriction. Right to use EU institutions such as Erasmus. The freedom to conduct a business in accordance with Union law and national laws and practices is recognised. Better working conditions - note recent Telegraph article where London banks are complaining about EU workers rights. Rights of assembly better than those in the UK which were eroded by the last Government. Science institutions working together across the EU, something which British scientists have been frustrated with where they could not have full membership such as Copernicus, Euratom R&D etc Etc etc I have no problem with dual nationality. Only the hypocrisy of those who damn the EU like Farage, Dyson and Ratcliffe and then exploit opportunities within it. I don't have an issue with opinion, but when it is treated like fact e.g. 'Most people are concerned...' intimating that a known majority are against something when in fact that is not the case. If you said 'in my opinion...' or 'my view is...' I have no problem, but that is not what you were saying. As for pub debate, since Brexit I try not to discuss politics in the pub with anyone other than those I know can have a reasoned conversation or debate. After being told on a number of occasions by Brexiteers to 'f**k off, you lost, get over it' when talking about the banking market and the impact of Brexit, which I know a bit about but it differed from what they had read in the Daily Mail, Sun and Express.... I no longer engage with those in the pub who think I am not entitled to an opinion different from their own. But you are taking Farage's words out of context. I live in the UK. I work in Germany. I own property in both the UK and Germany. I travel to Germany every six weeks, usually by driving through France, Belgium and Holland, quite freely and without restriction. Workers Rights? Are you suggesting that Worker's Rights have been eroded in the UK since Brexit? I do know that the EU Workers Directive is causing some problems in the EU. I do know for a fact that my working conditions improved quite a lot after transferring my contract from Frankfurt to London.
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Jul 23, 2024 12:59:45 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 12:59:45 GMT
Let's try this again. My opinion(s) are predicated upon the printed and original statements from Reform, which I quoted, word for word. I have not just made it up. Unlike statements on here, such as "taxes will rise" (which indeed they may) but without any evidence other than a personal opinion. I hope that helps Jesus H......They are your opinions, nothing else ! I know you have not made up the statements from Reform, but your responses are just your opinion, without any evidence! Can you point out the factual evidence in your responses? "I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense." "Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?" "😂😂 "I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge." Ok I give up. I quote evidence for my opinions, but that's not evidence according to you. Makes sense
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Jul 23, 2024 13:17:05 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 13:17:05 GMT
Jesus H......They are your opinions, nothing else ! I know you have not made up the statements from Reform, but your responses are just your opinion, without any evidence! Can you point out the factual evidence in your responses? "I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense." "Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?" "😂😂 "I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge." Ok I give up. I quote evidence for my opinions, but that's not evidence according to you. Makes sense Yes, please give up. If you cannot see that you are just voicing your own opinions then it's pointless carrying on to be frank.
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Jul 23, 2024 13:28:49 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 23, 2024 13:28:49 GMT
So Farage can be quoted but you require the full text, noted for future reference when Starmer and Labour are misquoted on here. EU rights, a.o. right to travel, work and own property freely without restriction. Right to use EU institutions such as Erasmus. The freedom to conduct a business in accordance with Union law and national laws and practices is recognised. Better working conditions - note recent Telegraph article where London banks are complaining about EU workers rights. Rights of assembly better than those in the UK which were eroded by the last Government. Science institutions working together across the EU, something which British scientists have been frustrated with where they could not have full membership such as Copernicus, Euratom R&D etc Etc etc I have no problem with dual nationality. Only the hypocrisy of those who damn the EU like Farage, Dyson and Ratcliffe and then exploit opportunities within it. I don't have an issue with opinion, but when it is treated like fact e.g. 'Most people are concerned...' intimating that a known majority are against something when in fact that is not the case. If you said 'in my opinion...' or 'my view is...' I have no problem, but that is not what you were saying. As for pub debate, since Brexit I try not to discuss politics in the pub with anyone other than those I know can have a reasoned conversation or debate. After being told on a number of occasions by Brexiteers to 'f**k off, you lost, get over it' when talking about the banking market and the impact of Brexit, which I know a bit about but it differed from what they had read in the Daily Mail, Sun and Express.... I no longer engage with those in the pub who think I am not entitled to an opinion different from their own. But you are taking Farage's words out of context. I live in the UK. I work in Germany. I own property in both the UK and Germany. I travel to Germany every six weeks, usually by driving through France, Belgium and Holland, quite freely and without restriction. Workers Rights? Are you suggesting that Worker's Rights have been eroded in the UK since Brexit? I do know that the EU Workers Directive is causing some problems in the EU. I do know for a fact that my working conditions improved quite a lot after transferring my contract from Frankfurt to London. So for work purposes are you classed as a German or UK citizen? Are you restricted to 180 days abiding in Germany, as UK citizens are? Or have you a visa/residency?
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 14:05:13 GMT
Ok I give up. I quote evidence for my opinions, but that's not evidence according to you. Makes sense Yes, please give up. If you cannot see that you are just voicing your own opinions then it's pointless carrying on to be frank. I agree. If you cannot see evidence from the source and justification for my comments as "evidence" then it is pointless
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Jul 23, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
But you are taking Farage's words out of context. I live in the UK. I work in Germany. I own property in both the UK and Germany. I travel to Germany every six weeks, usually by driving through France, Belgium and Holland, quite freely and without restriction. Workers Rights? Are you suggesting that Worker's Rights have been eroded in the UK since Brexit? I do know that the EU Workers Directive is causing some problems in the EU. I do know for a fact that my working conditions improved quite a lot after transferring my contract from Frankfurt to London. So for work purposes are you classed as a German or UK citizen? Are you restricted to 180 days abiding in Germany, as UK citizens are? Or have you a visa/residency? My work contract is in the UK. I pay tax in the UK on my wages. I am a UK citizen, always have been. I have never been a German citizen. Yes, I am limited to 180 days working in Germany for tax purposes, but I will not get even close to that, even though I do hold a German Residence Permit. Working and moving around the EU is not a problem. It is a myth built-up by those who have never tried it, nor probably will.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 23, 2024 18:19:11 GMT
So for work purposes are you classed as a German or UK citizen? Are you restricted to 180 days abiding in Germany, as UK citizens are? Or have you a visa/residency? My work contract is in the UK. I pay tax in the UK on my wages. I am a UK citizen, always have been. I have never been a German citizen. Yes, I am limited to 180 days working in Germany for tax purposes, but I will not get even close to that, even though I do hold a German Residence Permit. Working and moving around the EU is not a problem. It is a myth built-up by those who have never tried it, nor probably will. So you are restricted tax wise if your company needed you to work 180 days plus in Germany, and you have a German Residence Permit which means you are not subject to other restrictions which UK citizens without a permit are. Thanks, that gives a clearer understanding.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 20:02:21 GMT
My work contract is in the UK. I pay tax in the UK on my wages. I am a UK citizen, always have been. I have never been a German citizen. Yes, I am limited to 180 days working in Germany for tax purposes, but I will not get even close to that, even though I do hold a German Residence Permit. Working and moving around the EU is not a problem. It is a myth built-up by those who have never tried it, nor probably will. So you are restricted tax wise if your company needed you to work 180 days plus in Germany, and you have a German Residence Permit which means you are not subject to other restrictions which UK citizens without a permit are. Thanks, that gives a clearer understanding. My company will never require me to work more than 180 days a year in Germany, in fact nowhere near that amount. I only go to Germany every six weeks or so. I sometimes also work in Paris or Amsterdam for a few days. As I have said, working and movement within the EU is not a problem. It's just a scare story propagated by those who have never done it nor ever will. The Residence Permit does not give me anything. It is just a paper exercise following Brexit. Just good ole German beaurocracy.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 8:01:03 GMT
’Makes me sick with Rage’: Richard Tice lets rip at ‘lefty luvvies’ in furious rant after 12 migrants die in Channel tragedy..by Ben Chapmani.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/30/12/85509637-0-image-m-45_1717068096739.jpgRichard Tice told GB News he is “sick with rage and fury” after at least 12 migrants were confirmed dead. They died after their boat sank trying to cross the English Channel. The French coastguard confirmed the deaths after up to 65 people were rescued off the coast of Cap Gris-Nez on Tuesday. Speaking to Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tice took aim at “lefty luvvies” and groups like Care4Calais who he says are facilitating migrants making the perilous journey. “It’s utterly horrific”, he said. “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back. “Do you know what makes me sick with fury and rage? It’s the bleating and whining from people like Care4Calais and the Refugee Council and do-good bodies who say we need more legal routes. “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths. “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” GB News’s Jacob Rees-Mogg waded in on the discussion to take aim at the Government, saying they are guilty of adopting “platitudes” as opposed to an actual strategy for dealing with the gangs that help migrants cross the Channel illegally. Tice added: “What we’re seeing is the numbers increasing. The gangs are far from scared about the Home Secretary. “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. “They’re cramming these single-use dinghies with people.” Home Secretary Yvette Cooper branded the incident “horrifying and deeply tragic” as she said “vital” efforts to dismantle “dangerous and criminal smuggler gangs” and to boost border security “must proceed apace”. French interior minister Gerald Darmanin described it as a “terrible shipwreck”, adding in a post on X, formerly Twitter: “The provisional toll stands at 12 dead, two missing and several injured. “All government services are mobilised to find the missing and take care of the victims.” Home Office figures show 351 people made the journey in six boats on Monday, taking the provisional total for 2024 to date 21,403.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 10:43:05 GMT
’Makes me sick with Rage’: Richard Tice lets rip at ‘lefty luvvies’ in furious rant after 12 migrants die in Channel tragedy..by Ben Chapmani.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/30/12/85509637-0-image-m-45_1717068096739.jpgRichard Tice told GB News he is “sick with rage and fury” after at least 12 migrants were confirmed dead. They died after their boat sank trying to cross the English Channel. The French coastguard confirmed the deaths after up to 65 people were rescued off the coast of Cap Gris-Nez on Tuesday. Speaking to Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tice took aim at “lefty luvvies” and groups like Care4Calais who he says are facilitating migrants making the perilous journey. “It’s utterly horrific”, he said. “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back. “Do you know what makes me sick with fury and rage? It’s the bleating and whining from people like Care4Calais and the Refugee Council and do-good bodies who say we need more legal routes. “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths. “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” GB News’s Jacob Rees-Mogg waded in on the discussion to take aim at the Government, saying they are guilty of adopting “platitudes” as opposed to an actual strategy for dealing with the gangs that help migrants cross the Channel illegally. Tice added: “What we’re seeing is the numbers increasing. The gangs are far from scared about the Home Secretary. “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. “They’re cramming these single-use dinghies with people.” Home Secretary Yvette Cooper branded the incident “horrifying and deeply tragic” as she said “vital” efforts to dismantle “dangerous and criminal smuggler gangs” and to boost border security “must proceed apace”. French interior minister Gerald Darmanin described it as a “terrible shipwreck”, adding in a post on X, formerly Twitter: “The provisional toll stands at 12 dead, two missing and several injured. “All government services are mobilised to find the missing and take care of the victims.” Home Office figures show 351 people made the journey in six boats on Monday, taking the provisional total for 2024 to date 21,403. So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and whn pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 4, 2024 11:00:05 GMT
’Makes me sick with Rage’: Richard Tice lets rip at ‘lefty luvvies’ in furious rant after 12 migrants die in Channel tragedy..by Ben Chapmani.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/30/12/85509637-0-image-m-45_1717068096739.jpgRichard Tice told GB News he is “sick with rage and fury” after at least 12 migrants were confirmed dead. They died after their boat sank trying to cross the English Channel. The French coastguard confirmed the deaths after up to 65 people were rescued off the coast of Cap Gris-Nez on Tuesday. Speaking to Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tice took aim at “lefty luvvies” and groups like Care4Calais who he says are facilitating migrants making the perilous journey. “It’s utterly horrific”, he said. “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back. “Do you know what makes me sick with fury and rage? It’s the bleating and whining from people like Care4Calais and the Refugee Council and do-good bodies who say we need more legal routes. “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths. “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” GB News’s Jacob Rees-Mogg waded in on the discussion to take aim at the Government, saying they are guilty of adopting “platitudes” as opposed to an actual strategy for dealing with the gangs that help migrants cross the Channel illegally. Tice added: “What we’re seeing is the numbers increasing. The gangs are far from scared about the Home Secretary. “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. “They’re cramming these single-use dinghies with people.” Home Secretary Yvette Cooper branded the incident “horrifying and deeply tragic” as she said “vital” efforts to dismantle “dangerous and criminal smuggler gangs” and to boost border security “must proceed apace”. French interior minister Gerald Darmanin described it as a “terrible shipwreck”, adding in a post on X, formerly Twitter: “The provisional toll stands at 12 dead, two missing and several injured. “All government services are mobilised to find the missing and take care of the victims.” Home Office figures show 351 people made the journey in six boats on Monday, taking the provisional total for 2024 to date 21,403. So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and whn pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown. I hope you had a nice and refreshing holiday Chesh. You won't be surprised to read I agree with RT. Reform are the party to stop the Communists and Tory mass immigration policies.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 11:28:29 GMT
’Makes me sick with Rage’: Richard Tice lets rip at ‘lefty luvvies’ in furious rant after 12 migrants die in Channel tragedy..by Ben Chapmani.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/30/12/85509637-0-image-m-45_1717068096739.jpgRichard Tice told GB News he is “sick with rage and fury” after at least 12 migrants were confirmed dead. They died after their boat sank trying to cross the English Channel. The French coastguard confirmed the deaths after up to 65 people were rescued off the coast of Cap Gris-Nez on Tuesday. Speaking to Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tice took aim at “lefty luvvies” and groups like Care4Calais who he says are facilitating migrants making the perilous journey. “It’s utterly horrific”, he said. “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back. “Do you know what makes me sick with fury and rage? It’s the bleating and whining from people like Care4Calais and the Refugee Council and do-good bodies who say we need more legal routes. “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths. “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” GB News’s Jacob Rees-Mogg waded in on the discussion to take aim at the Government, saying they are guilty of adopting “platitudes” as opposed to an actual strategy for dealing with the gangs that help migrants cross the Channel illegally. Tice added: “What we’re seeing is the numbers increasing. The gangs are far from scared about the Home Secretary. “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. “They’re cramming these single-use dinghies with people.” Home Secretary Yvette Cooper branded the incident “horrifying and deeply tragic” as she said “vital” efforts to dismantle “dangerous and criminal smuggler gangs” and to boost border security “must proceed apace”. French interior minister Gerald Darmanin described it as a “terrible shipwreck”, adding in a post on X, formerly Twitter: “The provisional toll stands at 12 dead, two missing and several injured. “All government services are mobilised to find the missing and take care of the victims.” Home Office figures show 351 people made the journey in six boats on Monday, taking the provisional total for 2024 to date 21,403. So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and whn pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown. Welcome back Terry. Hope you had a good holiday. The problem with your post is that you are just attacking the man (Tice) and completely ignoring the real issue.
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Sept 4, 2024 13:24:23 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 13:24:23 GMT
So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and whn pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown. I hope you had a nice and refreshing holiday Chesh. You won't be surprised to read I agree with RT. Reform are the party to stop the Communists and Tory mass immigration policies. Thanks Bas, interested in who you think the communists are when the far left attack Labour for being not left enough and call them 'Red Tories'
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Sept 4, 2024 13:49:44 GMT
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 13:49:44 GMT
So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and when pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown. Welcome back Terry. Hope you had a good holiday. The problem with your post is that you are just attacking the man (Tice) and completely ignoring the real issue. Thanks Nobby, it was great and very relaxing. It was interesting being in a hotel in Cyprus with some Russian staff and also Russian guests although they seemed to very much keep their heads down. A multi cultural mix of staff [ranging from locals to Nepalese to Central Europeans] who were all pleasant, worked well together and focussed on customer service. Would certainly revisit the hotel. As for Tice, its difficult to separate him from the party as they come across as a one trick pony. The only issue they comment on is immigration. Other than that it seems to be about making money for themselves with media appearances and little else. They are a profit making limited company and don't even pretend to be a political party serving their constituents. Unlike most other MPs they haven't opened local offices or held surgeries. His colleague, Farage, has spent more time in the USA rather than Clacton. The Reform Party Limited has also already backtracked on its 'contract with the people' manifesto pledge. So for me they have lost all rights to be considered seriously as a political party, just a mouthpiece for its owners.
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Sept 4, 2024 13:59:23 GMT
Post by trymer on Sept 4, 2024 13:59:23 GMT
The funniest part of this thread is that most of the posts are from anti Reform posters,whats the saying 'the flak is heaviest over the target'?
I think that the Lib/Lab/Con club and their voters are starting to see that an increasing amount of people are dissatisfied and want alternative parties,it isnt just in Britain either,France,Germany,Italy,Sweden,Netherlands etc etc are seeing the old tired parties lose voters and newer parties with more modern fresh ideas gain momentum.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 14:34:23 GMT
The funniest part of this thread is that most of the posts are from anti Reform posters,whats the saying 'the flak is heaviest over the target'? I think that the Lib/Lab/Con club and their voters are starting to see that an increasing amount of people are dissatisfied and want alternative parties,it isnt just in Britain either, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands etc etc are seeing the old tired parties lose voters and newer parties with more modern fresh ideas gain momentum. The parties may be 'new' but their usual single policy is as old as the hills. The anti immigration and blame everything on immigrants policy has been used for over a 100 years. Appeal to the masses with a threat which distracts them from the real problem makers, politicians and the rich who sponsor them. Reform Part Ltd itself is simply the evolution of a number of parties that go back to the 70s but have gained 'respectability' along the way. Across Europe the parties are gaining votes and using the same tactics and focus. But its not immigrants we need to fear its those who have gained incredible wealth exploiting the bulk of people while distracting them with the 'migrant who is coming to steal benefits and their jobs' propaganda. They know it works as history has proven it.
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Sept 4, 2024 14:54:51 GMT
Post by trymer on Sept 4, 2024 14:54:51 GMT
The funniest part of this thread is that most of the posts are from anti Reform posters,whats the saying 'the flak is heaviest over the target'? I think that the Lib/Lab/Con club and their voters are starting to see that an increasing amount of people are dissatisfied and want alternative parties,it isnt just in Britain either, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands etc etc are seeing the old tired parties lose voters and newer parties with more modern fresh ideas gain momentum. The parties may be 'new' but their usual single policy is as old as the hills. The anti immigration and blame everything on immigrants policy has been used for over a 100 years. Appeal to the masses with a threat which distracts them from the real problem makers, politicians and the rich who sponsor them. Reform Part Ltd itself is simply the evolution of a number of parties that go back to the 70s but have gained 'respectability' along the way. Across Europe the parties are gaining votes and using the same tactics and focus. But its not immigrants we need to fear its those who have gained incredible wealth exploiting the bulk of people while distracting them with the 'migrant who is coming to steal benefits and their jobs' propaganda. They know it works as history has proven it. Ah,so we should blame the rich like the Communists and their associates have been doing for over 100 years ? Class War tried that and they dont exist any more. The problem for me with that idea is that i havent got any envy for people who have got on in life, in the USSR they werent all equal either,the party hierarchy had nice limousines and Dacha's but the workers got to stand in queues and live in a sh*tty little flat,so the leftist idea doesnt appeal to me.
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