Reform

Precisely Cheshire

"said:What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled."

My comments on Reform and their policies are about Reform and their policies, not your personal views and whether you are excited or rattled by them.

Nobby
Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine.
Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents.
Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic.

Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it.  
Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said 'Most people are concerned... 'nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. 
Your opinion not facts.

PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News?

The reason for people like Oldie's concern is that they are well aware that when Labour fail to live up to their promises their voters will desert them,where will these voters go ? not to the Tories so quite possibly to Reform.

Exactly, Farage has said that he cant stand Putin  but he then said something like "but he outwitted you lot over Syria" this gets twisted into Farage lauds Putin....remember what Dr Goebbels said about big lies.
I have loads of relatives and friends in Europe, its true 'love Europe hate the EU' but some people think that Europe = EU...its not so.
I havent met anyone who thinks that this Labour govt will end up being better than the Tories (they're both shyte) most people that I talk to expect taxes to go up considerably.

One thing about building houses, small bungalows would be good for older people to downsize (freeing up bigger houses for families) however builders hate that idea because they can build a 3/4 bed house on that plot and make more profit.

We could also go back to the original post that started this thread. Oldie's answer's are just his opinion, not fact. So, this thread was started on the basis of someone's "opinion", not fact. Was Oldie pulled up on this error Terry?


"Given that I appear to be the only one who thinks that Reform are a joke, given that nobody has articulated why they support them having said they do, other than because of their dislike for every other party, I thought I would have a look at their current published offer to voters.

It started badly and went downhill in a hurry.

Front Page
"Let's make Great Britain Great"

I thought this was a spoof, but no.

This is their intro

"As a nation we have so much potential, so much that we should be optimistic about. We can make Britain great again. To do this, reform is essential in the way our country is run and managed, so it works properly for the people. In many areas, just the application of basic common sense would be a good start! The nation faces many challenges, but we can overcome them. To succeed, we need to do Brexit properly and save the Union by protecting Northern Ireland. We must grow our way out of the crisis, we cannot tax our way out of it. We must stand up for our core democratic values, our civil liberties, our right to free speech. Let’s celebrate our pride in being British: our amazing culture, our unbreakable communities, our incredible heritage. Let’s stop all the woke nonsense that is holding us back. Let’s have a proper immigration policy that works for our country and protects our borders. This means net zero immigration so we can train and support our own people. It means zero illegal immigration. Together, let’s make great things happen!"

😂😂

I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem"
Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense.

Then the economy

"1. Reform our Economy: To succeed faster growth is vital. Higher growth rates are the only way to better wages and more tax revenues that can be invested in better healthcare and other public services. Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way. This will generate much faster growth than seen in recent decades. We must also stop wasting taxpayers’ money."

Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?).
Or will they slash public services?

Allegedly not

"2. Reform our Public Sector: We must be ambitious, seeking faster, more efficient public services that work better for us all. For example, with health, we should demand zero waiting lists and we have a bold plan to achieve this vision. Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals. Our schools must educate our children properly to prepare them for a competitive, challenging world, whilst protecting them from age inappropriate sex education"

😂😂

I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge.

And yet some on here would actually vote to inflict this on the country.
Unbelievable"

Of course. But....
The dividing line is when an opinion is stated as a fact, without any supporting evidence

Farage predicts more Conservative MPs will soon be leaving them to join Reform.

From 19.00 to 20.00 on GB News tonight is Nigel.

Moggy from 20.00 to 21.00.

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Reform now have over 70,000 members.

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