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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 21:14:47 GMT
What. He said Harris was a black African. Hilarious What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. Rather than come after me personally, per Cheshire's request, you could prove my comments on Farage and the Reform Party wrong.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 22, 2024 21:27:02 GMT
What. He said Harris was a black African. Hilarious (1) What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. (2) Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. (1) Farage and Reform get constant attacks because of their outpourings, such as the deputy saying he would leave boat people to drown; the fact that Farage lauds Putin; that they do a lot of shouting without any fact base evidence; that when they are challenged Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone, but never does; and the fact that they get a significantly disproportionate amount of air time when compared to the Liberal Democrats who have significantly more MPs, the Greens who have a similar amount, and the SNP - more MPs. They are also employed by GBNews to spout whatever they like. Farage has yet to hold a surgery in Clacton which he hasn't visited since Election Day, whereas all other parties' MPs are setting up offices and staffing them. Farage is also a hypocrite holding an EU passport, living in Brussels, whilst remonstrating against the EU and has no intention of living in or near his constituency. (2) Who do you mean by saying - Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government? and especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. where are the statistics to back that up?
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Jul 22, 2024 21:43:46 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 21:43:46 GMT
(1) What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. (2) Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. (1) Farage and Reform get constant attacks because of their outpourings, such as the deputy saying he would leave boat people to drown; the fact that Farage lauds Putin; that they do a lot of shouting without any fact base evidence; that when they are challenged Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone, but never does; and the fact that they get a significantly disproportionate amount of air time when compared to the Liberal Democrats who have significantly more MPs, the Greens who have a similar amount, and the SNP - more MPs. They are also employed by GBNews to spout whatever they like. Farage has yet to hold a surgery in Clacton which he hasn't visited since Election Day, whereas all other parties' MPs are setting up offices and staffing them. Farage is also a hypocrite holding an EU passport, living in Brussels, whilst remonstrating against the EU and has no intention of living in or near his constituency. (2) Who do you mean by saying - Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government? and especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. where are the statistics to back that up? Precisely Cheshire
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Jul 23, 2024 5:40:13 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 5:40:13 GMT
What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. Rather than come after me personally, per Cheshire's request, you could prove my comments on Farage and the Reform Party wrong. Wow, can you please point out where in the post I "came after you personally"?
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Jul 23, 2024 5:46:59 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 5:46:59 GMT
Rather than come after me personally, per Cheshire's request, you could prove my comments on Farage and the Reform Party wrong. Wow, can you please point out where in the post I "came after you personally"? "said:What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled." My comments on Reform and their policies are about Reform and their policies, not your personal views and whether you are excited or rattled by them.
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Jul 23, 2024 6:06:50 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 6:06:50 GMT
(1) What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. (2) Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. (1) Farage and Reform get constant attacks because of their outpourings, such as the deputy saying he would leave boat people to drown; the fact that Farage lauds Putin; that they do a lot of shouting without any fact base evidence; that when they are challenged Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone, but never does; and the fact that they get a significantly disproportionate amount of air time when compared to the Liberal Democrats who have significantly more MPs, the Greens who have a similar amount, and the SNP - more MPs. They are also employed by GBNews to spout whatever they like. Farage has yet to hold a surgery in Clacton which he hasn't visited since Election Day, whereas all other parties' MPs are setting up offices and staffing them. Farage is also a hypocrite holding an EU passport, living in Brussels, whilst remonstrating against the EU and has no intention of living in or near his constituency. (2) Who do you mean by saying - Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government? and especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. where are the statistics to back that up? Hello Terry, Farage does not laud Putin. He never has, and he never will. A lot of shouting without any fact based evidence? Just your opinion I'm afraid. Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone? New one on me. I don't think I've seen any of that. Disproportionate air time? Only because the MSM are transfixed with going after Reform, instead of scrutinizing the current government of the day. You can't blame Reform if the MSM follow them everywhere ie. Like Farage in the US. Every channel had a team/reporter following him! It's not his fault that the MSM cover his every move and utterance. Reform are not employed by GBNews. Farage does not hold an EU passport. Such a thing doesn't exist. What is wrong with having a residence in Brussels? Nobody has anything against the Europeans, nor Europe. The problem is with the political construct that is the EU! Don't you think it is a bit narrow minded to think that if someone is against the EU they should be against anything European? I'm anti-EU but I still work in Germany. Farage and his constituency? What do the top politicians do for their constituencies? What does Starmer do? He doesn't hold surgeries either, nor do many of the top politicians. They have a staff that covers these things for them. Why highlight this with Farage when it's the same for many other MP's? It's almost as if people are desperate too throw mud at Farage/Reform, yet they conveniently forget that the other main parties do exactly the same. How many MP's of other parties were 'parachuted' into their constituencies before the election? You know as well as I do that this is a common practice. So it's ok for Labour, Libdems and the Tories to do this, but bad if Reform do it? Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Two policies spring to mind off the top of my head. They will never build 1.5 million homes in five years. This would mean something like 820 homes being completed every day. Two of the main housebuilders, Wimply and Barrett's, have just announced they are reducing the number of new builds in the next year due to "decreased demand". Plus, do the government really expect builders to build more affordable homes, which means a reduced unit profit for the builders? They expect the builders to increase production of new homes by 100% and accept reduced unit profit? That's not going to happen is it. Energy - Yep. Let's stop new drilling in the North Sea. They will also create a GB Energy company, that doesn't produce any energy, to provide cheap energy to the country. If the UK doesn't produce the energy it needs then it will have to be imported. There goes the energy security that we have all discovered since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, as strategically vital to the country. Plus, imported energy will always be more expensive than energy produced in the UK. Rent controls? It has been proven in the past, and most recently in Scotland, that rent controls do not work. They never have, and never will. I thought that lesson had been learnt years ago!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 23, 2024 7:58:02 GMT
Nobby Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine. Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents. Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic.
Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said 'Most people are concerned... 'nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. Your opinion not facts.
PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News?
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Jul 23, 2024 9:20:10 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 9:20:10 GMT
Labour and Conservative are clearly concerned with The Reform Party,it's potential and its leader.
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Jul 23, 2024 9:31:17 GMT
Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 9:31:17 GMT
What. He said Harris was a black African. Hilarious What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. The reason for people like Oldie's concern is that they are well aware that when Labour fail to live up to their promises their voters will desert them,where will these voters go ? not to the Tories so quite possibly to Reform.
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Jul 23, 2024 9:39:32 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 9:39:32 GMT
Nobby Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine. Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents. Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic. Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said ' Most people are concerned... ' nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. Your opinion not facts. PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News? I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting.
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Jul 23, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
(1) Farage and Reform get constant attacks because of their outpourings, such as the deputy saying he would leave boat people to drown; the fact that Farage lauds Putin; that they do a lot of shouting without any fact base evidence; that when they are challenged Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone, but never does; and the fact that they get a significantly disproportionate amount of air time when compared to the Liberal Democrats who have significantly more MPs, the Greens who have a similar amount, and the SNP - more MPs. They are also employed by GBNews to spout whatever they like. Farage has yet to hold a surgery in Clacton which he hasn't visited since Election Day, whereas all other parties' MPs are setting up offices and staffing them. Farage is also a hypocrite holding an EU passport, living in Brussels, whilst remonstrating against the EU and has no intention of living in or near his constituency. (2) Who do you mean by saying - Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government? and especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. where are the statistics to back that up? Hello Terry, Farage does not laud Putin. He never has, and he never will. A lot of shouting without any fact based evidence? Just your opinion I'm afraid. Richard Tice threatens to sue everyone? New one on me. I don't think I've seen any of that. Disproportionate air time? Only because the MSM are transfixed with going after Reform, instead of scrutinizing the current government of the day. You can't blame Reform if the MSM follow them everywhere ie. Like Farage in the US. Every channel had a team/reporter following him! It's not his fault that the MSM cover his every move and utterance. Reform are not employed by GBNews. Farage does not hold an EU passport. Such a thing doesn't exist. What is wrong with having a residence in Brussels? Nobody has anything against the Europeans, nor Europe. The problem is with the political construct that is the EU! Don't you think it is a bit narrow minded to think that if someone is against the EU they should be against anything European? I'm anti-EU but I still work in Germany. Farage and his constituency? What do the top politicians do for their constituencies? What does Starmer do? He doesn't hold surgeries either, nor do many of the top politicians. They have a staff that covers these things for them. Why highlight this with Farage when it's the same for many other MP's? It's almost as if people are desperate too throw mud at Farage/Reform, yet they conveniently forget that the other main parties do exactly the same. How many MP's of other parties were 'parachuted' into their constituencies before the election? You know as well as I do that this is a common practice. So it's ok for Labour, Libdems and the Tories to do this, but bad if Reform do it? Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Two policies spring to mind off the top of my head. They will never build 1.5 million homes in five years. This would mean something like 820 homes being completed every day. Two of the main housebuilders, Wimply and Barrett's, have just announced they are reducing the number of new builds in the next year due to "decreased demand". Plus, do the government really expect builders to build more affordable homes, which means a reduced unit profit for the builders? They expect the builders to increase production of new homes by 100% and accept reduced unit profit? That's not going to happen is it. Energy - Yep. Let's stop new drilling in the North Sea. They will also create a GB Energy company, that doesn't produce any energy, to provide cheap energy to the country. If the UK doesn't produce the energy it needs then it will have to be imported. There goes the energy security that we have all discovered since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, as strategically vital to the country. Plus, imported energy will always be more expensive than energy produced in the UK. Rent controls? It has been proven in the past, and most recently in Scotland, that rent controls do not work. They never have, and never will. I thought that lesson had been learnt years ago! Exactly, Farage has said that he cant stand Putin but he then said something like "but he outwitted you lot over Syria" this gets twisted into Farage lauds Putin....remember what Dr Goebbels said about big lies. I have loads of relatives and friends in Europe, its true 'love Europe hate the EU' but some people think that Europe = EU...its not so. I havent met anyone who thinks that this Labour govt will end up being better than the Tories (they're both shyte) most people that I talk to expect taxes to go up considerably. One thing about building houses, small bungalows would be good for older people to downsize (freeing up bigger houses for families) however builders hate that idea because they can build a 3/4 bed house on that plot and make more profit.
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Jul 23, 2024 9:45:03 GMT
Post by trymer on Jul 23, 2024 9:45:03 GMT
Nobby Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine. Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents. Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic. Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said ' Most people are concerned... ' nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. Your opinion not facts. PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News? I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting. In fact you sometimes learn things talking to people that dont get mentioned in the media,for instance a nurse that i talk to walking the dogs telling me about blokes in their 50s who are alcoholics suffering from early onset dementia and having to wear nappies in hospital !....another woman who works with offenders told me that in a womans prison near Bristol 86% of inmates are drug addicts/alcoholics.
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Jul 23, 2024 9:45:30 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 9:45:30 GMT
We could also go back to the original post that started this thread. Oldie's answer's are just his opinion, not fact. So, this thread was started on the basis of someone's "opinion", not fact. Was Oldie pulled up on this error Terry?
"Given that I appear to be the only one who thinks that Reform are a joke, given that nobody has articulated why they support them having said they do, other than because of their dislike for every other party, I thought I would have a look at their current published offer to voters.
It started badly and went downhill in a hurry.
Front Page "Let's make Great Britain Great"
I thought this was a spoof, but no.
This is their intro
"As a nation we have so much potential, so much that we should be optimistic about. We can make Britain great again. To do this, reform is essential in the way our country is run and managed, so it works properly for the people. In many areas, just the application of basic common sense would be a good start! The nation faces many challenges, but we can overcome them. To succeed, we need to do Brexit properly and save the Union by protecting Northern Ireland. We must grow our way out of the crisis, we cannot tax our way out of it. We must stand up for our core democratic values, our civil liberties, our right to free speech. Let’s celebrate our pride in being British: our amazing culture, our unbreakable communities, our incredible heritage. Let’s stop all the woke nonsense that is holding us back. Let’s have a proper immigration policy that works for our country and protects our borders. This means net zero immigration so we can train and support our own people. It means zero illegal immigration. Together, let’s make great things happen!"
😂😂
I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense.
Then the economy
"1. Reform our Economy: To succeed faster growth is vital. Higher growth rates are the only way to better wages and more tax revenues that can be invested in better healthcare and other public services. Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way. This will generate much faster growth than seen in recent decades. We must also stop wasting taxpayers’ money."
Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?
Allegedly not
"2. Reform our Public Sector: We must be ambitious, seeking faster, more efficient public services that work better for us all. For example, with health, we should demand zero waiting lists and we have a bold plan to achieve this vision. Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals. Our schools must educate our children properly to prepare them for a competitive, challenging world, whilst protecting them from age inappropriate sex education"
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I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge.
And yet some on here would actually vote to inflict this on the country. Unbelievable"
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Jul 23, 2024 10:41:47 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 10:41:47 GMT
What is hilarious is your constant attacks on Farage and Reform when they have so few MP's. Coming from nowhere, and the support they have generated has obviously got you rattled. Most people are concerned over the possible upcoming car crash that is the Labour government. They have a huge majority with just over 9 million votes. Reform got 4 million votes and have a small amount of MP's. Reform are on the rise, the Tories are still in freefall. The next election will be interesting, especially as nobody expects Labour to improve things. The reason for people like Oldie's concern is that they are well aware that when Labour fail to live up to their promises their voters will desert them,where will these voters go ? not to the Tories so quite possibly to Reform. In fact, that is not my concern at all.
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Jul 23, 2024 10:43:59 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 10:43:59 GMT
Nobby Putin - Farage has said on a number of occasions that Putin is the leader he most admires, all documented; he has acted as an apologist for Putin saying that the growth of the EU forced his hand - sovereign countries applied of their own accord - and NATO expansion - only started expanding again after Russia invaded Ukraine. Clacton - Farage is not Prime Minister, he is an MP and should hold surgeries and visit his constituents. Farage has a German passport [so is also an EU Citizen and has access to all EU rights as such] if you want to be pedantic. Car crash Labour - obviously I do not have any statistics, and to even ask for them as part of your debate is really not the way to go is it. Really? I asked you to back up your quotes as you said ' Most people are concerned... ' nobody expects Labour to improve things' I just wondered how you felt that you could speak for 'most people' and that 'nobody' had expectations. Simple. Your opinion not facts. PS you do know that Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are employees of GB News? I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting. Of course. But.... The dividing line is when an opinion is stated as a fact, without any supporting evidence
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Jul 23, 2024 10:48:33 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 10:48:33 GMT
We could also go back to the original post that started this thread. Oldie's answer's are just his opinion, not fact. So, this thread was started on the basis of someone's "opinion", not fact. Was Oldie pulled up on this error Terry? "Given that I appear to be the only one who thinks that Reform are a joke, given that nobody has articulated why they support them having said they do, other than because of their dislike for every other party, I thought I would have a look at their current published offer to voters. It started badly and went downhill in a hurry. Front Page "Let's make Great Britain Great" I thought this was a spoof, but no. This is their intro "As a nation we have so much potential, so much that we should be optimistic about. We can make Britain great again. To do this, reform is essential in the way our country is run and managed, so it works properly for the people. In many areas, just the application of basic common sense would be a good start! The nation faces many challenges, but we can overcome them. To succeed, we need to do Brexit properly and save the Union by protecting Northern Ireland. We must grow our way out of the crisis, we cannot tax our way out of it. We must stand up for our core democratic values, our civil liberties, our right to free speech. Let’s celebrate our pride in being British: our amazing culture, our unbreakable communities, our incredible heritage. Let’s stop all the woke nonsense that is holding us back. Let’s have a proper immigration policy that works for our country and protects our borders. This means net zero immigration so we can train and support our own people. It means zero illegal immigration. Together, let’s make great things happen!" 😂😂 I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense. Then the economy "1. Reform our Economy: To succeed faster growth is vital. Higher growth rates are the only way to better wages and more tax revenues that can be invested in better healthcare and other public services. Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way. This will generate much faster growth than seen in recent decades. We must also stop wasting taxpayers’ money." Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services? Allegedly not "2. Reform our Public Sector: We must be ambitious, seeking faster, more efficient public services that work better for us all. For example, with health, we should demand zero waiting lists and we have a bold plan to achieve this vision. Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals. Our schools must educate our children properly to prepare them for a competitive, challenging world, whilst protecting them from age inappropriate sex education" 😂😂 I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge. And yet some on here would actually vote to inflict this on the country. Unbelievable" So I quoted directly from Reform, but somehow that is not quoting a fact....ummmmm
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Jul 23, 2024 10:56:44 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 10:56:44 GMT
Farage predicts more Conservative MPs will soon be leaving them to join Reform.
From 19.00 to 20.00 on GB News tonight is Nigel.
Moggy from 20.00 to 21.00.
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Jul 23, 2024 11:11:55 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 11:11:55 GMT
We could also go back to the original post that started this thread. Oldie's answer's are just his opinion, not fact. So, this thread was started on the basis of someone's "opinion", not fact. Was Oldie pulled up on this error Terry? "Given that I appear to be the only one who thinks that Reform are a joke, given that nobody has articulated why they support them having said they do, other than because of their dislike for every other party, I thought I would have a look at their current published offer to voters. It started badly and went downhill in a hurry. Front Page "Let's make Great Britain Great" I thought this was a spoof, but no. This is their intro "As a nation we have so much potential, so much that we should be optimistic about. We can make Britain great again. To do this, reform is essential in the way our country is run and managed, so it works properly for the people. In many areas, just the application of basic common sense would be a good start! The nation faces many challenges, but we can overcome them. To succeed, we need to do Brexit properly and save the Union by protecting Northern Ireland. We must grow our way out of the crisis, we cannot tax our way out of it. We must stand up for our core democratic values, our civil liberties, our right to free speech. Let’s celebrate our pride in being British: our amazing culture, our unbreakable communities, our incredible heritage. Let’s stop all the woke nonsense that is holding us back. Let’s have a proper immigration policy that works for our country and protects our borders. This means net zero immigration so we can train and support our own people. It means zero illegal immigration. Together, let’s make great things happen!" 😂😂 I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense. Then the economy "1. Reform our Economy: To succeed faster growth is vital. Higher growth rates are the only way to better wages and more tax revenues that can be invested in better healthcare and other public services. Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way. This will generate much faster growth than seen in recent decades. We must also stop wasting taxpayers’ money." Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services? Allegedly not "2. Reform our Public Sector: We must be ambitious, seeking faster, more efficient public services that work better for us all. For example, with health, we should demand zero waiting lists and we have a bold plan to achieve this vision. Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals. Our schools must educate our children properly to prepare them for a competitive, challenging world, whilst protecting them from age inappropriate sex education" 😂😂 I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge. And yet some on here would actually vote to inflict this on the country. Unbelievable" So I quoted directly from Reform, but somehow that is not quoting a fact....ummmmm No Oldie, let's try this again. Your responses were just your opinions and not facts.
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Jul 23, 2024 11:59:02 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jul 23, 2024 11:59:02 GMT
Reform now have over 70,000 members.
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oldie
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Reform
Jul 23, 2024 12:06:55 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 23, 2024 12:06:55 GMT
So I quoted directly from Reform, but somehow that is not quoting a fact....ummmmm No Oldie, let's try this again. Your responses were just your opinions and not facts. Let's try this again. My opinion(s) are predicated upon the printed and original statements from Reform, which I quoted, word for word. I have not just made it up. Unlike statements on here, such as "taxes will rise" (which indeed they may) but without any evidence other than a personal opinion. I hope that helps
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