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Post by baselswh on May 6, 2024 7:40:46 GMT
Apparently 40 people were elected in the local elections based on their stance on Palestine.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 6, 2024 8:00:28 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas? |
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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2024 15:36:27 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas? No free elections in Gaza since 2007. A repulsive, oppressive regime. There is only one democracy in the Middle East, Israel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 9:29:37 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas? Refreshing? More relieved that Israelis can demonstrate against their own government without fear of reprisal (I think and hope). You cannot compare the circumstances in Israel with Theocratic Fascist States like Saudi (deemed friendly) or Iran (deemed unfriendly) or just pure fascists like HAMAS. The reason I posted that link was to show that Israelis themselves are demonstrating against their own government and it's policies and actions. Of course getting their hostages back is a primary driver but there were very large demonstrations against their government prior to the events of October 7th. A government constructed as a coalition of a variety of right wing nut jobs one or two of whom mirror images the Theocratic fascists elsewhere. To enforce their proposed policies they were trying to change the constitution to avoid Court review. Ring any bells? |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:39:08 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas? Refreshing? More relieved that Israelis can demonstrate against their own government without fear of reprisal (I think and hope). You cannot compare the circumstances in Israel with Theocratic Fascist States like Saudi (deemed friendly) or Iran (deemed unfriendly) or just pure fascists like HAMAS. The reason I posted that link was to show that Israelis themselves are demonstrating against their own government and it's policies and actions. Of course getting their hostages back is a primary driver but there were very large demonstrations against their government prior to the events of October 7th. A government constructed as a coalition of a variety of right wing nut jobs one or two of whom mirror images the Theocratic fascists elsewhere. To enforce their proposed policies they were trying to change the constitution to avoid Court review. Ring any bells? You can look at any free democracy and you'll always have someone who oppose what the government is doing. What do you think is wrong with people protesting? Why do you think this? |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 9:46:45 GMT
Refreshing? More relieved that Israelis can demonstrate against their own government without fear of reprisal (I think and hope). You cannot compare the circumstances in Israel with Theocratic Fascist States like Saudi (deemed friendly) or Iran (deemed unfriendly) or just pure fascists like HAMAS. The reason I posted that link was to show that Israelis themselves are demonstrating against their own government and it's policies and actions. Of course getting their hostages back is a primary driver but there were very large demonstrations against their government prior to the events of October 7th. A government constructed as a coalition of a variety of right wing nut jobs one or two of whom mirror images the Theocratic fascists elsewhere. To enforce their proposed policies they were trying to change the constitution to avoid Court review. Ring any bells? You can look at any free democracy and you'll always have someone who oppose what the government is doing. What do you think is wrong with people protesting? Why do you think this? I don't think it's wrong, I support it. But of course I get labelled a "woke" lefties out of touch with "working class" aspirations. You will recall I supported demonstrations against our governments law that acts as a suppression to the Right to Assemble |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:51:31 GMT
You can look at any free democracy and you'll always have someone who oppose what the government is doing. What do you think is wrong with people protesting? Why do you think this? I don't think it's wrong, I support it. But of course I get labelled a "woke" lefties out of touch with "working class" aspirations. You will recall I supported demonstrations against our governments law that acts as a suppression to the Right to Assemble So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel? |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 9:58:29 GMT
I don't think it's wrong, I support it. But of course I get labelled a "woke" lefties out of touch with "working class" aspirations. You will recall I supported demonstrations against our governments law that acts as a suppression to the Right to Assemble So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel? Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 10:07:49 GMT
So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel? Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward Nobody anywhere has said this. Are you making things up again? |
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Post by oldie on May 7, 2024 10:17:56 GMT
Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward Nobody anywhere has said this. Are you making things up again? You want me to quote more than one member of this forum? |
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Post by bluetornados on May 16, 2024 20:28:33 GMT
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Post by baselswh on May 16, 2024 20:56:01 GMT
Nobody anywhere has said this. Are you making things up again? You want me to quote more than one member of this forum? Actually for the record yes please. You may be right,but I seem to remember it was you making out Jews being antisemitic because they were protesting for a cease fire,or some such thing. I think Nobby pointed out how good it was that Israelis could demonstrate against a Government decision and asked or suggested what would happen to Palestinians that protested against Hamas. Hmm. |
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 1:47:33 GMT
You want me to quote more than one member of this forum? Actually for the record yes please. You may be right,but I seem to remember it was you making out Jews being antisemitic because they were protesting for a cease fire,or some such thing. I think Nobby pointed out how good it was that Israelis could demonstrate against a Government decision and asked or suggested what would happen to Palestinians that protested against Hamas. Hmm. No I didn't, you could not comprehend my sarcasm |
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2024 6:18:00 GMT
So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel? Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward "We"? Are the two different protests the same? Are Jewish protesters in Tel Aviv chanting " from the river to the sea",or "badges' of hang gliders ( reference to October 7th ),carrying hate filled slogans? |
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 6:40:56 GMT
Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward "We"? Are the two different protests the same? Are Jewish protesters in Tel Aviv chanting " from the river to the sea",or "badges' of hang gliders ( reference to October 7th ),carrying hate filled slogans? How many of those demos have you been on?? |
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2024 6:48:24 GMT
"We"? Are the two different protests the same? Are Jewish protesters in Tel Aviv chanting " from the river to the sea",or "badges' of hang gliders ( reference to October 7th ),carrying hate filled slogans? How many of those demos have you been on?? None. |
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 7:04:25 GMT
How many of those demos have you been on?? None. So you cannot know what the majority of demonstrators feel, shout and believe. Nobody in their right mind or with an ounce of intelligence would quote what the Daily Mail, Daily Express prints or the utter garbage which is GB News. One of the problems for demonstrations is that they are open and attract a degree of lunacy from all sides. I put it to you that the primary thrust of the demos, in the UK, on the campuses in America and in Israel, was a call for a ceasefire and the proper establishment of a Palestinian State. Of course the Israelis were also shouting at their government over the handling of hostages. Being Anti Zionist is NOT equivalent to being antisemitic. Something you clearly do not understand. |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 17, 2024 7:08:55 GMT
One question Oldie. The Palestinians have been offered their own State in the past, and every time they have turned it down. Why was that?
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Post by baselswh on May 17, 2024 7:27:08 GMT
So you cannot know what the majority of demonstrators feel, shout and believe. Nobody in their right mind or with an ounce of intelligence would quote what the Daily Mail, Daily Express prints or the utter garbage which is GB News. One of the problems for demonstrations is that they are open and attract a degree of lunacy from all sides. I put it to you that the primary thrust of the demos, in the UK, on the campuses in America and in Israel, was a call for a ceasefire and the proper establishment of a Palestinian State. Of course the Israelis were also shouting at their government over the handling of hostages. Being Anti Zionist is NOT equivalent to being antisemitic. Something you clearly do not understand. There is much film footage of the London protest. |
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Post by eppinggas on May 17, 2024 8:20:16 GMT
One question Oldie. The Palestinians have been offered their own State in the past, and every time they have turned it down. Why was that? One thing about the Palestinians, they never miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity. A two state solution has been offered in the past, but their leaders decided to pursue a 'river to the sea policy instead'. ie. We don't want our own country, we want to kill every Jew in Israel and claim all that land for ourselves. Until Hamas have been eradicated, there is no hope for a two state solution - which has to be the way forward. And Israel has to give back all their disgusting land grab in the West Bank. But that's just me being balanced. You won't get that kind of rhetoric on the regular hate marches we see in London, glorifying and celebrating the atrocities of October 7th. |
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