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Post by alftupper on Dec 24, 2023 7:21:50 GMT
How about we stop footballers from provoking a situation, in the first place? Also, as someone who became more than somewhat angry on this forum, ( remember "Shorty" ? ) I would have thought that maybe you`d have more empathy for others, who allow themselves to become provoked. I don't (shorty?) But I will accept that I have allowed my frustration to show through on occasion. I regret that, but I don't regret calling out racism or plain lies. But that's a whole different world from getting visually angry and aggressive because a man child on the pitch makes childlike gestures. That's a classic false equivalence. Racism and plain lies? Nobody mentioned them, until you ( inevitably ) introduced them. You lost your temper with another forumer, and abandoned cogent argument, in favour of base insults appertaining to his apparent lack of stature. Coming back to you? What angers one person, won`t necessarily another. Stopping one man child ( footballer ) from provoking another man child ( supporter ) during the passionate atmosphere of a football game, doesn`t seem unreasonable to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 10:27:12 GMT
I think Jay Stansfield succeeded in winding up the Argyle fans yesterday.
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Post by hamdonmart on Dec 24, 2023 12:33:07 GMT
I think Jay Stansfield succeeded in winding up the Argyle fans yesterday. Given the absolutely abhorrent abuse he has previously received from a minority of Argyle fans referencing his late dad, he had every right to do what he did yesterday. Agree with Oldie's post earlier in the thread, he's spot on. Some fans need to grow up. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 24, 2023 21:48:15 GMT
I think Jay Stansfield succeeded in winding up the Argyle fans yesterday. Given the absolutely abhorrent abuse he has previously received from a minority of Argyle fans referencing his late dad, he had every right to do what he did yesterday. Agree with Oldie's post earlier in the thread, he's spot on. Some fans need to grow up. Normally I might agree with you but the fact that he had pre-determined to wind up the Argyle lot by wearing the T-shirt which I presume he had had printed and put it on well in advance of the kick off then I’m pretty sure I don’t agree. I agree over the fact that some fans need to ‘grow up’ but I’m also pretty sure that given what happened after Watkins reaction in the Brentford v Villa match last week and the incident in the Argyle v Brum match I do think players have a greater responsibility to behave and not wind the opposition fans up deliberately. And given what Stansfield did to prepare for this match I’m not sure I have much sympathy for him. UTG! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 25, 2023 7:13:59 GMT
I think Jay Stansfield succeeded in winding up the Argyle fans yesterday. Given the absolutely abhorrent abuse he has previously received from a minority of Argyle fans referencing his late dad, he had every right to do what he did yesterday. Agree with Oldie's post earlier in the thread, he's spot on. Some fans need to grow up. I agree with him too. Some fans DO need to grow up. Some footballers too. And anything that can be done to help prevent a situation developing during the passionate and often hostile atmosphere of a football match, should be done. Merry Christmas, one and all. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 25, 2023 13:11:22 GMT
Given the absolutely abhorrent abuse he has previously received from a minority of Argyle fans referencing his late dad, he had every right to do what he did yesterday. Agree with Oldie's post earlier in the thread, he's spot on. Some fans need to grow up. I agree with him too. Some fans DO need to grow up. Some footballers too. And anything that can be done to help prevent a situation developing during the passionate and often hostile atmosphere of a football match, should be done. Merry Christmas, one and all. Merry Christmas Alf |
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 25, 2023 16:03:13 GMT
The reason I got into football 50 odd years ago was because I like my sport to have some
aggressiion in it. Otherwise there would be no point to it, If it’s not for you then
iBristol Besrs Lugby team would welcome you with open arms.
I have no issues with player’s winding up the opposing fans, as quite often it comes back to
Bit them. Keep football real it’s about the only aspect in life not ruined by the snowflakes.
Merry Xmas gasheads UTFG
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Post by oldie on Dec 25, 2023 17:17:41 GMT
The reason I got into football 50 odd years ago was because I like my sport to have some aggressiion in it. Otherwise there would be no point to it, If it’s not for you then iBristol Besrs Lugby team would welcome you with open arms. I have no issues with player’s winding up the opposing fans, as quite often it comes back to Bit them. Keep football real it’s about the only aspect in life not ruined by the snowflakes. Merry Xmas gasheads UTFG I bet my dad can beat up your dad.🤭🤭 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2023 17:52:45 GMT
The reason I got into football 50 odd years ago was because I like my sport to have some aggressiion in it. Otherwise there would be no point to it, If it’s not for you then iBristol Besrs Lugby team would welcome you with open arms. I have no issues with player’s winding up the opposing fans, as quite often it comes back to Bit them. Keep football real it’s about the only aspect in life not ruined by the snowflakes. Merry Xmas gasheads UTFG I have to agree I am always waiting for the moment for events to bite fans on the arse just like yesterday when Jay was able to release his revenge on those who had abused him and his lovely family. Suck it up Argyle. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 25, 2023 19:32:17 GMT
The reason I got into football 50 odd years ago was because I like my sport to have some aggressiion in it. Otherwise there would be no point to it, If it’s not for you then iBristol Besrs Lugby team would welcome you with open arms. I have no issues with player’s winding up the opposing fans, as quite often it comes back to Bit them. Keep football real it’s about the only aspect in life not ruined by the snowflakes. Merry Xmas gasheads UTFG I have to agree I am always waiting for the moment for events to bite fans on the arse just like yesterday when Jay was able to release his revenge on those who had abused him and his lovely family. Suck it up Argyle. Whatever your pov I bet Rooney is hopping mad that Stansfield's actions seemed to energise Argyle and help create the atmosphere that Argyle were able to take a point when Brum were in charge. As is often said if you’re an away team try and quieten the opposition fans, not do the opposite. We won’t hear about it but I bet Rooney will have had ‘words’! UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2023 19:55:55 GMT
I have to agree I am always waiting for the moment for events to bite fans on the arse just like yesterday when Jay was able to release his revenge on those who had abused him and his lovely family. Suck it up Argyle. Whatever your pov I bet Rooney is hopping mad that Stansfield's actions seemed to energise Argyle and help create the atmosphere that Argyle were able to take a point when Brum were in charge. As is often said if you’re an away team try and quieten the opposition fans, not do the opposite. We won’t hear about it but I bet Rooney will have had ‘words’! UTG! Strange then that Brum went 3-1 up after the event, Stansfield's goal being the first, and Stansfield was subbed after 62 minutes. Argyle pulled the 2 goals back after he had left the pitch so maybe Rooney's action cost Brum 2 points. Just an alternative POV |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 25, 2023 21:09:13 GMT
Whatever your pov I bet Rooney is hopping mad that Stansfield's actions seemed to energise Argyle and help create the atmosphere that Argyle were able to take a point when Brum were in charge. As is often said if you’re an away team try and quieten the opposition fans, not do the opposite. We won’t hear about it but I bet Rooney will have had ‘words’! UTG! Strange then that Brum went 3-1 up after the event, Stansfield's goal being the first, and Stansfield was subbed after 62 minutes. Argyle pulled the 2 goals back after he had left the pitch so maybe Rooney's action cost Brum 2 points. Just an alternative POVIndeed. There are plenty of those and the forum is stronger for it. My point was about Brum being in charge of the game and that perhaps the actions of a Brum player fired everyone up and irrespective of the scoring sequence it got Argyle fired up and they got a derived point when it looked unlikely. Anyway, as you say, alternative views and mine is that Stansfield deliberately wound up the Argyle fans as shown by his pre- prepared t shirt, not a reaction to anything on the day. And for clarity I was/am an admirer of Adam Stansfield having seen him many times for Yeovil before he moved on to Hereford and later Exeter. Best way to answer idiots in any crowd is to ignore them and help your club to 3 points. UTG! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 26, 2023 7:06:36 GMT
I agree with him too. Some fans DO need to grow up. Some footballers too. And anything that can be done to help prevent a situation developing during the passionate and often hostile atmosphere of a football match, should be done. Merry Christmas, one and all. Merry Christmas Alf You too. Hope it was a good `un. |
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Post by hamdonmart on Dec 26, 2023 7:47:49 GMT
Given the absolutely abhorrent abuse he has previously received from a minority of Argyle fans referencing his late dad, he had every right to do what he did yesterday. Agree with Oldie's post earlier in the thread, he's spot on. Some fans need to grow up. Normally I might agree with you but the fact that he had pre-determined to wind up the Argyle lot by wearing the T-shirt which I presume he had had printed and put it on well in advance of the kick off then I’m pretty sure I don’t agree. I agree over the fact that some fans need to ‘grow up’ but I’m also pretty sure that given what happened after Watkins reaction in the Brentford v Villa match last week and the incident in the Argyle v Brum match I do think players have a greater responsibility to behave and not wind the opposition fans up deliberately. And given what Stansfield did to prepare for this match I’m not sure I have much sympathy for him. UTG! The t-shirt was a reaction to the abuse he has received previously from Argyle fans (last November, I think) so yes, it was pre-meditated of course. However, whether it was or not, the fact remains that some of Plymouth's finest let their club down when abusing his late father and Jay replied in the best way possible & then made his point again. Let's not forget that Jay is only 21 years old now & IMO, is more than entitled to shut up the PAFC idiots in whatever way he chooses. As southdevongas rightly says, this was karma given the way that Jay & his family had been abused before. He was cautioned (within the LOTG) so has been punished and no doubt Rooney will have a word with him though knowing WR, it'll probably be more like "Nice one, Stanno, good on you lad!" rather than a rollicking. |
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 26, 2023 8:55:12 GMT
Going back to our previous manager I would hazard a guess there was a significant number of Gas who quietly sided with the opposing fans as it hastened his departure. Oh JB you are a nasty man and I hate you’ really wouldn’t ‘cut it’
Likewise when we get an absolute s**t ref Surely he needs to be made aware in no uncertain terms what we think of him.
Or an ex s**thead playing for the opposing team - Should we ignore that minor detail or should we give him both barrels?
Football is a mans game not jolly hockey sticks! UTG
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 26, 2023 9:17:21 GMT
Normally I might agree with you but the fact that he had pre-determined to wind up the Argyle lot by wearing the T-shirt which I presume he had had printed and put it on well in advance of the kick off then I’m pretty sure I don’t agree. I agree over the fact that some fans need to ‘grow up’ but I’m also pretty sure that given what happened after Watkins reaction in the Brentford v Villa match last week and the incident in the Argyle v Brum match I do think players have a greater responsibility to behave and not wind the opposition fans up deliberately. And given what Stansfield did to prepare for this match I’m not sure I have much sympathy for him. UTG! The t-shirt was a reaction to the abuse he has received previously from Argyle fans (last November, I think) so yes, it was pre-meditated of course. However, whether it was or not, the fact remains that some of Plymouth's finest let their club down when abusing his late father and Jay replied in the best way possible & then made his point again. Let's not forget that Jay is only 21 years old now & IMO, is more than entitled to shut up the PAFC idiots in whatever way he chooses. As southdevongas rightly says, this was karma given the way that Jay & his family had been abused before. He was cautioned (within the LOTG) so has been punished and no doubt Rooney will have a word with him though knowing WR, it'll probably be more like "Nice one, Stanno, good on you lad!" rather than a rollicking. Fair enough response. 👍 He is entitled to respond but not in any ‘whatever way he chooses’. Where do you draw the line? But I can agree with much of that and as has been said many times all clubs have their fair share of idiots and Argyle are no exception. I just believe professional players have a greater responsibility not to make situations worse, so where it appears that players go out of their way to do the winding up it can’t be good. But I accept others may have a different opinion. Perhaps clubs need to do more to stop fans saying some of those things but I won’t hold my breath. UTG! |
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Post by ltdgas on Dec 26, 2023 9:17:31 GMT
Where I work we’ve forest , derby , blades , Sunderland , Leicester & gas , it gets very heated at time mostly between forest / derby , but it’s just banter , and in 99% of cases the same on the terraces , just adds too the atmosphere
I normally tell them there all glory hunters , which sets forest off with there European cup stories , though doubt any are old enough too have been even born then , but that doesn’t stop them
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Post by hamdonmart on Dec 29, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
The t-shirt was a reaction to the abuse he has received previously from Argyle fans (last November, I think) so yes, it was pre-meditated of course. However, whether it was or not, the fact remains that some of Plymouth's finest let their club down when abusing his late father and Jay replied in the best way possible & then made his point again. Let's not forget that Jay is only 21 years old now & IMO, is more than entitled to shut up the PAFC idiots in whatever way he chooses. As southdevongas rightly says, this was karma given the way that Jay & his family had been abused before. He was cautioned (within the LOTG) so has been punished and no doubt Rooney will have a word with him though knowing WR, it'll probably be more like "Nice one, Stanno, good on you lad!" rather than a rollicking. Fair enough response. 👍 He is entitled to respond but not in any ‘whatever way he chooses’. Where do you draw the line? But I can agree with much of that and as has been said many times all clubs have their fair share of idiots and Argyle are no exception. I just believe professional players have a greater responsibility not to make situations worse, so where it appears that players go out of their way to do the winding up it can’t be good. But I accept others may have a different opinion. Perhaps clubs need to do more to stop fans saying some of those things but I won’t hold my breath. UTG! I don't think it's something I would do myself, WG, but then I am 55 and Jay is 21 and I haven't been on the end of that sort of abuse at all, so I'm looking at it through different glasses. Wish you and the family all the best for 2024, enjoy debating with folk like you on here. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 29, 2023 12:29:04 GMT
Think he is well within the bounds of decency to respond as he did. To give him any abuse over the death of his dad is beyond the pale so any club that does this deserves all they get back in return. As fans I think we have to be big enough to expect and accept some back if we dish it out. Definitely a line though as to what is acceptable or not and it is a hard line to draw. Death or injury/illness of a loved one is definitely the wrong side for me
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 29, 2023 14:38:43 GMT
Fair enough response. 👍 He is entitled to respond but not in any ‘whatever way he chooses’. Where do you draw the line? But I can agree with much of that and as has been said many times all clubs have their fair share of idiots and Argyle are no exception. I just believe professional players have a greater responsibility not to make situations worse, so where it appears that players go out of their way to do the winding up it can’t be good. But I accept others may have a different opinion. Perhaps clubs need to do more to stop fans saying some of those things but I won’t hold my breath. UTG! I don't think it's something I would do myself, WG, but then I am 55 and Jay is 21 and I haven't been on the end of that sort of abuse at all, so I'm looking at it through different glasses. Wish you and the family all the best for 2024, enjoy debating with folk like you on here. No, nor would I. I often received verbal abuse, I was a headteacher for 27 years in a variety of schools !! (😉), and had to bite my tongue and I came in on the start of Facebook etc. so I had plenty of online ‘comments’ which probably just stayed away from outright abuse to go with it. Had to rise above it and concentrate on the issue and keep explaining. My dad died in his 50s of the dreaded ‘C’ and I sympathise with Jay S but just know that he will do better to rise above it and use his anger internally and turn it into determination. Good luck to the young man, he’s forging a good career in the upper reaches of the EFL. Similar vintage to you, a few years older so I can remember when it was just a playful booing players had to endure. Now… Anyway, always good to read your take, esp upon Yeovil, who I can now enjoy liking again and wishing them well as I always did from the 60s. Although they have just done Taunton T well and proper and should complete an easy double this weekend. But Taunton and Yeovil in the same League!!! Unreal. 👍 Wishing you and yours all the best for 2024. UTG! |
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