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Post by JeffNZ on Dec 19, 2023 8:51:37 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence.
I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it.
Unfortunately, most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation.
Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen.
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Post by oldie on Dec 19, 2023 9:03:48 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence. I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it. Unfortunately most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation. Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen. People intent on causing trouble, even violence, will find a reason. |
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Post by petecolley on Dec 19, 2023 10:57:56 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence. I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it. Unfortunately, most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation. Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen. As if there weren't enough yellow cards in the game already ! |
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Post by trymer on Dec 19, 2023 12:21:10 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence. I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it. Unfortunately, most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation. Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen. Fans give it out (when they are in big mobs ) they have to accept it back. I was at Barnet when Rovers support constantly abused John Akinde all match,inevitably he scored and then put his hands behind his ears,the fans reaction was pathetic "ref,ref" "ref book him" etc etc,like a lot of overgrown toddlers really,very sad but quite predictable. |
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 19, 2023 12:45:44 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence. I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it. Unfortunately, most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation. Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen. Mmm. Interesting idea. I think it already happens to an extent in that players can be booked for their reactions in front of fans. Players are professionals and need to rise above abuse and what they get from fans but it must be difficult when they’ve taken crap all afternoon. Human reactions and all that makes it understandable. If fans want to give it out then they must be prepared to take it. Would you say that Olly Watkins after being abused (allegedly) all afternoon by a fan was justified in his reaction? It was mild but very pointed but it triggered a really unpleasant incident that changed the whole match atmosphere. I thought he was wrong but I understood why he did it. It’s about taking the heat out of the situation and players and fans having a cool head. On Saturday at AFCB immediately Tom L went down the bloke next to me started shouting at him to get up and get on with it but those around him realised it was serious and told him he apologised straight away and went as quiet as the rest of us. Football’s an emotional game and sometimes that emotion boils over and so long as humans play the game they will show human emotions including giving it back when they’ve been receiving it all match. Sense needed by fans, players and officials which does happen most of the time. I guess I’d leave it as it is is at the moment and allow refs to exercise some judgement and deal with it when it happens. UTG! |
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Post by imanobody on Dec 19, 2023 15:37:09 GMT
To be honest I would want to give a yellow card to a Rovers player if he ever got the chance to score a last minute winner against City and didn’t give the hand against the ear as he was running down to his own supporters. Everyone loves a pantomime villain surely?
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Post by alftupper on Dec 19, 2023 17:31:02 GMT
Rovers related as I've seen the "finger to the lips" and other tactics used in Rovers games but I think it's time to make winding up opposition fans a cautionable offence. I get that fans provoke opposition players but as professionals, players must show discipline and rise above it. Unfortunately, most football crowds have their fair share of neaderthals who have the potential to react violently to such provocation. Yellow card for provoking fans has to happen. I think it already happens to an extent in that players can be booked for their reactions in front of fans. Players are professionals and need to rise above abuse and what they get from fans but it must be difficult when they’ve taken crap all afternoon. Human reactions and all that makes it understandable. If fans want to give it out then they must be prepared to take it. UTG! That`s fair enough, but I`ve been to Rovers games where opposition players ( who haven`t received any abuse from our fans ) have scored, and then run in front of our supporters, cupping their ears or putting a finger to their lips. Where do you stand on that? |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 19, 2023 22:58:09 GMT
I think it already happens to an extent in that players can be booked for their reactions in front of fans. Players are professionals and need to rise above abuse and what they get from fans but it must be difficult when they’ve taken crap all afternoon. Human reactions and all that makes it understandable. If fans want to give it out then they must be prepared to take it. UTG! That`s fair enough, but I`ve been to Rovers games where opposition players ( who haven`t received any abuse from our fans ) have scored, and then run in front of our supporters, cupping their ears or putting a finger to their lips. Where do you stand on that? Tbh alf I’m not sure cupping ears, fingers to the lips is that bad. Yes, it’s probably annoying when you’ve lost a goal but when you see what some do to wind up others it’s nothing. I haven’t seen that reaction too much but when I do I tend to ignore it. And in the big scheme of things it’s not that bad is it really? Not in the same scale as someone giving it big in front of rival fans. But I guess we all have our own thermometer about what is bad and what is not and yours and mine may be different. UTG! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 20, 2023 7:39:36 GMT
That`s fair enough, but I`ve been to Rovers games where opposition players ( who haven`t received any abuse from our fans ) have scored, and then run in front of our supporters, cupping their ears or putting a finger to their lips. Where do you stand on that? Tbh alf I’m not sure cupping ears, fingers to the lips is that bad. Yes, it’s probably annoying when you’ve lost a goal but when you see what some do to wind up others it’s nothing. I haven’t seen that reaction too much but when I do I tend to ignore it. And in the big scheme of things it’s not that bad is it really? Not in the same scale as someone giving it big in front of rival fans. But I guess we all have our own thermometer about what is bad and what is not and yours and mine may be different. UTG! Fair enough. All about opinions. I agree with the original post, and have thought the same for a while now. It seems ridiculous to me, that a player can receive a yellow card for removing his shirt, ( an act probably greatly appreciated at Brighton ), but remains unpunished for goading opposition fans. |
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Post by trymer on Dec 20, 2023 9:57:33 GMT
Would players get a yellow card when they score and react to abuse from their own 'supporters' ? I am thinking of times like Steve White and Harold Jarman flicking the V sign to people who had been abusing them, in the North enclosure of course.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 20, 2023 10:03:17 GMT
Tbh alf I’m not sure cupping ears, fingers to the lips is that bad. Yes, it’s probably annoying when you’ve lost a goal but when you see what some do to wind up others it’s nothing. I haven’t seen that reaction too much but when I do I tend to ignore it. And in the big scheme of things it’s not that bad is it really? Not in the same scale as someone giving it big in front of rival fans. But I guess we all have our own thermometer about what is bad and what is not and yours and mine may be different. UTG! Fair enough. All about opinions. I agree with the original post, and have thought the same for a while now. It seems ridiculous to me, that a player can receive a yellow card for removing his shirt, ( an act probably greatly appreciated at Brighton ), but remains unpunished for goading opposition fans. Now that I can agree with. Totally ridiculous.👍 UTG! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 20, 2023 11:07:41 GMT
Disagree with op.
Peaceful protest should always be respected even in the heights of emotional trauma.
Bantz works both ways, and in the eternal struggle to have the last laugh, both sides provide a fascinating side dish to the main course that's invariably unique in the sporting world, and the competition football we come to love.
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Post by alftupper on Dec 21, 2023 7:10:25 GMT
Disagree with op. Peaceful protest should always be respected even in the heights of emotional trauma. Bantz works both ways, and in the eternal struggle to have the last laugh, both sides provide a fascinating side dish to the main course that's invariably unique in the sporting world, and the competition football we come to love. When the, er, bantz, is working both ways, then that`s fair enough. My issue is when players start goading fans, who hitherto had not shown any disrespect to the said player. It`s creating a situation. I see a Leicester player was booked for trying to wind up Birmingham fans, after he`d scored. Correct decision! In fact, having been drinking in the Mardyke when a dozen Birmingham fans tried to gain entry, I`d have sent the Leicester player off for his own safety. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 21, 2023 7:32:49 GMT
Imagine
Becoming upset because a player in the opposition team holds his hand as an aid to his ear, or places his/her finger to their lips.
Getting upset with young men or women displaying the maturity of a child. Get upset or provoked.
I think that says more about the spectator than anything else.
Let's face it's pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 8:29:10 GMT
Footballer provoking supporters is foolish.
Supporters reacting badly is foolish.
We're all meant to be there to enjoy sport.
Pantomime and all, if you like.
We can all behave better. Some especially.
Let's start by leaders setting examples.
I trust we now have the personnel who can.
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 22, 2023 0:20:08 GMT
Hearing stories of mini riots, supporters being stabbed for wearing opposition colours or referees being punched by Turkish Chairman is just bizarre.
Some people need help in defining rational emotion from irrational emotion.
Although it's rational giving stick to sh**heads.
Now I'm just going to re-watch Rovers' 4-1 against the s**t at Twerton for the 320th time...
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Post by alftupper on Dec 22, 2023 7:14:58 GMT
Imagine Becoming upset because a player in the opposition team holds his hand as an aid to his ear, or places his/her finger to their lips. Getting upset with young men or women displaying the maturity of a child. Get upset or provoked. I think that says more about the spectator than anything else. Let's face it's pathetic. I don`t disagree with you. Nonetheless, football does seem to attract it`s fair share of such people among it`s supporters, and a footballer doing something to deliberately antagonize these people should be punished with a yellow card. Managers would put a stop to it, if they started having players suspended. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 22, 2023 8:52:02 GMT
Imagine Becoming upset because a player in the opposition team holds his hand as an aid to his ear, or places his/her finger to their lips. Getting upset with young men or women displaying the maturity of a child. Get upset or provoked. I think that says more about the spectator than anything else. Let's face it's pathetic. I don`t disagree with you. Nonetheless, football does seem to attract it`s fair share of such people among it`s supporters, and a footballer doing something to deliberately antagonize these people should be punished with a yellow card. Managers would put a stop to it, if they started having players suspended. How about having cameras that can capture trouble makers in full HD and play any incident on the big screen in the ground so that the rest of the crowd can identify them and laugh at them. Humiliation can be the best form of punishment |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 23, 2023 8:49:09 GMT
I don`t disagree with you. Nonetheless, football does seem to attract it`s fair share of such people among it`s supporters, and a footballer doing something to deliberately antagonize these people should be punished with a yellow card. Managers would put a stop to it, if they started having players suspended. How about having cameras that can capture trouble makers in full HD and play any incident on the big screen in the ground so that the rest of the crowd can identify them and laugh at them. Humiliation can be the best form of punishment How about we stop footballers from provoking a situation, in the first place? Also, as someone who became more than somewhat angry on this forum, ( remember "Shorty" ? ) I would have thought that maybe you`d have more empathy for others, who allow themselves to become provoked. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 23, 2023 10:28:35 GMT
How about having cameras that can capture trouble makers in full HD and play any incident on the big screen in the ground so that the rest of the crowd can identify them and laugh at them. Humiliation can be the best form of punishment How about we stop footballers from provoking a situation, in the first place? Also, as someone who became more than somewhat angry on this forum, ( remember "Shorty" ? ) I would have thought that maybe you`d have more empathy for others, who allow themselves to become provoked. I don't (shorty?) But I will accept that I have allowed my frustration to show through on occasion. I regret that, but I don't regret calling out racism or plain lies. But that's a whole different world from getting visually angry and aggressive because a man child on the pitch makes childlike gestures. That's a classic false equivalence. |
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