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Post by ltdgas on Feb 12, 2024 9:48:18 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 12, 2024 9:58:50 GMT
The point is there meddling in our country again , if the law is wrong it should be sorted out in our courts , not in Brussels Time they got told to shove there laws , reform have said that’s exactly what theyl do This really makes me laugh. So, as a Sovereign State, we enter into a Trade Treaty. Then we complain when the other party to that Treaty demands we stick to the terms we freely signed up to. In addition, Ltd complains bitterly that the use of migrants in the workforce has degraded the Terms & Conditions of the existing workforce. Then complains when a party to the Treaty we signed demands that we DO NOT do exactly that, degrade Ts&C's. It really is laughable, apart from the bit where stupid voting decisions predicated upon irrational analysis affects everyone negatively. Dear oh dear. No Oldie. Trade Deals, like any deal between countries, is always open for re-negotiation. It's the same with contracts between companies. Nothing is set in stone and any contract/deal has to be constantly reviewed or re-negotiated between the interested parties as events, costs, circumstances etc change......but I'm sure you are aware of that. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 12, 2024 10:20:46 GMT
This really makes me laugh. So, as a Sovereign State, we enter into a Trade Treaty. Then we complain when the other party to that Treaty demands we stick to the terms we freely signed up to. In addition, Ltd complains bitterly that the use of migrants in the workforce has degraded the Terms & Conditions of the existing workforce. Then complains when a party to the Treaty we signed demands that we DO NOT do exactly that, degrade Ts&C's. It really is laughable, apart from the bit where stupid voting decisions predicated upon irrational analysis affects everyone negatively. Dear oh dear. No Oldie. Trade Deals, like any deal between countries, is always open for re-negotiation. It's the same with contracts between companies. Nothing is set in stone and any contract/deal has to be constantly reviewed or re-negotiated between the interested parties as events, costs, circumstances etc change......but I'm sure you are aware of that. Oh come on. The Treaty is in force, unless we renegotiate it, and we are not trying to, it remains in force. The ridiculous position taken by Ltd is exactly that, ridiculous. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Feb 12, 2024 10:34:26 GMT
No Oldie. Trade Deals, like any deal between countries, is always open for re-negotiation. It's the same with contracts between companies. Nothing is set in stone and any contract/deal has to be constantly reviewed or re-negotiated between the interested parties as events, costs, circumstances etc change......but I'm sure you are aware of that. Oh come on. The Treaty is in force, unless we renegotiate it, and we are not trying to, it remains in force. The ridiculous position taken by Ltd is exactly that, ridiculous. I would imagine that meetings are ongoing regarding every trade deal every country has, probably every three months or so. If differences cannot be worked out then there is always the WTO to refer to as they act as arbitrators on a lot of trade issues. As I have said, no trade deal is set in stone. They are constantly modified, re-worked, negotiated etc as nobody can expect to get every detail right first time, plus circumstances change over time. That's just common sense and it's pretty blinkered to suggest that these deals are set in stone. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 12, 2024 10:41:46 GMT
Oh come on. The Treaty is in force, unless we renegotiate it, and we are not trying to, it remains in force. The ridiculous position taken by Ltd is exactly that, ridiculous. I would imagine that meetings are ongoing regarding every trade deal every country has, probably every three months or so. If differences cannot be worked out then there is always the WTO to refer to as they act as arbitrators on a lot of trade issues. As I have said, no trade deal is set in stone. They are constantly modified, re-worked, negotiated etc as nobody can expect to get every detail right first time, plus circumstances change over time. That's just common sense and it's pretty blinkered to suggest that these deals are set in stone. The rules of any Treaty/Deal are in force until both sides agree to change them. We are not even negotiating changes to the current deal at this point, although the Northern Ireland question is still unanswered. Funnily enough the UK did NOT enforce our end of the Tariff arrangement, as the Government feared this will add to the inflationary spiral. Yes really. As a farmer here pointed out last week, that made it harder for them to export, as the EU did enforce the Tariff regime and easier for EU producers to export to the UK, because we didn't. Did someone mention "numb nuttery"?.... |
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 12, 2024 11:25:48 GMT
The eu are getting involved in strikes in our country , even though oldie is daft enough to think that is acceptable I don’t
There putting troops on the streets to stop strikes in the eu ( France ) , , but then say we can’t put laws in place to have minimum service levels in place when workers strike in this country !!!!! .
They will never stop meddling while we’ve faced painted / eu flag wavers like oldie about , he should be up on treason charges like his mates grieve / letwin / Hilary benn , all a disgrace to this country .
Why couldn’t these eu disciples done what the said they were going to do in 2016 , pack there bags & disappear up the asses of there eu mates & give us a break from the anti - uk rhetoric at every opportunity 🙄😡
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 12, 2024 11:40:48 GMT
It’s time now we broke off diplomatic ties with those who still try to enslave us ( should of happened in 2016 ) ,at every turn they continue to stick there noses in , but our political classes are all eu lovers so it won’t happen , I’d bloody love a nige farage , rich tice running this country , up your Delours, rule Britannia
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Post by oldie on Feb 12, 2024 12:11:44 GMT
The eu are getting involved in strikes in our country , even though oldie is daft enough to think that is acceptable I don’t There putting troops on the streets to stop strikes in the eu ( France ) , , but then say we can’t put laws in place to have minimum service levels in place when workers strike in this country !!!!! . They will never stop meddling while we’ve faced painted / eu flag wavers like oldie about , he should be up on treason charges like his mates grieve / letwin / Hilary benn , all a disgrace to this country . Why couldn’t these eu disciples done what the said they were going to do in 2016 , pack there bags & disappear up the asses of there eu mates & give us a break from the anti - uk rhetoric at every opportunity 🙄😡 Are you deliberately misunderstanding it, or on a wind up? |
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Post by trymer on Feb 12, 2024 14:54:39 GMT
The eu are getting involved in strikes in our country , even though oldie is daft enough to think that is acceptable I don’t There putting troops on the streets to stop strikes in the eu ( France ) , , but then say we can’t put laws in place to have minimum service levels in place when workers strike in this country !!!!! . They will never stop meddling while we’ve faced painted / eu flag wavers like oldie about , he should be up on treason charges like his mates grieve / letwin / Hilary benn , all a disgrace to this country . Why couldn’t these eu disciples done what the said they were going to do in 2016 , pack there bags & disappear up the asses of there eu mates & give us a break from the anti - uk rhetoric at every opportunity 🙄😡 I agree about these remoaners in the event of a war they should all be interned under rule 18B, they are untrustworthy and treacherous. All this b0ll0x about joining an EU army is just another way of getting the country entangled with the EU again,they are so easy to see through. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 12, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
😂😂😂😂
Lets lock everyone up
Ffs
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 12, 2024 19:23:00 GMT
German finance minister Christian Lindner said that the country's economy would be ruined as the EU single market is of “utmost importance” for Germany.
Germany's far-right Alternative for Germany party proposed that the country should leave the European Union like the UK. The move is widely being called “Dexit” just like UK's exit from the EU was termed “Brexit”. German finance minister Christian Lindner said that the country's economy would be ruined as the EU single market is of “utmost importance” for Germany- Europe’s biggest economy. This would be the worst possible scenario for export-dependent Germany, he said, adding, “It would ruin our economy. This is why we have to tell people, OK, you maybe are not in line with government policies but this is no reason for changing the complete system and for changing what our wealth is based on.”
European Union flags outside the European Commission headquarters in Brussels, Belgium.
The sentiment has been echoed by leading politicians and business executives who warned that the AfD’s vision of a Germany's EU exit would be disastrous for economic activity but AfD co-leader Alice Weidel called Brexit a “model for Germany” while proposing a referendum to “let the people decide, just as Britain did.”
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Although Christian Lindner conceded that Germany’s competitiveness is “not as good as it should be”. We are preparing proposals over the next couple of months on how best to boost it “especially in the financial sector", he said.
But I am “very optimistic” about the economic outlook as we expect an upturn “very soon”, he said.
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The anti-immigrant party is at second place behind the main opposition conservatives in opinion polls in recent months as German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s three—party alliance has seen its support plunge.
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Germany is the only Group of Seven economy to shrink last year. The country’s two largest lenders Deutsche Bank and Commerzbank have predicted another contraction for 2024 while the government’s council of economic advisers pegged growth at just 0.4%.
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 12, 2024 19:27:00 GMT
Ha ha ha , finance minister saying it will wreck the economy ,remainiacs said that , eu will be gone within years , even the soap dodgers across Chanel want out , oldies dream in tatters 😂😂😂, nothing to rejoin 😂😂
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Post by oldie on Feb 12, 2024 20:04:12 GMT
Ha ha ha , finance minister saying it will wreck the economy ,remainiacs said that , eu will be gone within years , even the soap dodgers across Chanel want out , oldies dream in tatters 😂😂😂, nothing to rejoin 😂😂 I see you are still working out how to post a link, but more importantly trying to work out the details around what you are posting. English Comprehension? F Ability to assimilate factual information? Seek help |
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Post by trymer on Feb 13, 2024 15:43:42 GMT
Ha ha ha , finance minister saying it will wreck the economy ,remainiacs said that , eu will be gone within years , even the soap dodgers across Chanel want out , oldies dream in tatters 😂😂😂, nothing to rejoin 😂😂 In a 2019 poll the majority of people in EU countries who were questioned said that the EU would collapse within 20 years, less than 15 years left if they are correct. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 13, 2024 17:03:26 GMT
Ha ha ha , finance minister saying it will wreck the economy ,remainiacs said that , eu will be gone within years , even the soap dodgers across Chanel want out , oldies dream in tatters 😂😂😂, nothing to rejoin 😂😂 In a 2019 poll the majority of people in EU countries who were questioned said that the EU would collapse within 20 years, less than 15 years left if they are correct. Could you post a link to that poll please? |
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 16, 2024 14:24:10 GMT
Ha ha ha , finance minister saying it will wreck the economy ,remainiacs said that , eu will be gone within years , even the soap dodgers across Chanel want out , oldies dream in tatters 😂😂😂, nothing to rejoin 😂😂 In a 2019 poll the majority of people in EU countries who were questioned said that the EU would collapse within 20 years, less than 15 years left if they are correct. It’s falling apart now trymer , infighting , threatening members states , we can see it but remainiacs like oldie can’t , just sees £££££££ Be hilarious if we rejoined ( we won’t ) & as is happening the hard right ran it , already happening 👍 |
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 16, 2024 14:41:19 GMT
Just had eu spokesman on gb news , he was questioned on uk rejoining eu with a Labour goverment , he said the eu had moved on ( there’s a message there for remainiacs😂😂) & there was No appetite on either side for a reunion 👍, the eu had many states who wanted to rejoin & they were the priority
Great interview , not one bit of hope for remainiacs , might as well pack there bags & do what they said they were going to do in 2016 🤞
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 16, 2024 15:51:12 GMT
We also get a double digit pay rise & the apprentiship scheme has been extended for 5 years , great to see the young lads of this country profiting from these schemes , whilst in the eu this would of never happened .
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Post by ltdgas on Feb 17, 2024 13:16:16 GMT
The EU is in an even worse state than Britain, but Rejoiners couldn’t care less
The strange desire to return to Brussels' embrace isn't rational. It's based on a wilful ignorance of Europe
ROBERT TOMBS
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View of Place du Luxembourg during Belgian Farmers' Protest on February 01, 2024 in Brussels,
I’ve been in France, Germany, Italy and Portugal in recent months, and in talking to people, reading the media and just keeping one’s eyes open, there is a palpable kinship of discontent. Nothing seems to be working. There is rubbish in the streets, vandalism, petty crime, trains that don’t run on time, businesses that can’t get workers, huge illegal immigration, and no-go areas in many towns.
In France, a sharp sense of déjà vu: long medical waiting lists, a friend unattended and in pain in a hospital corridor, overcrowded public transport, and non-stop grumbling. We may have left the EU, but we’re still at the heart of Europe.
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But the EU has extra problems that we have so far avoided. The revolt of European farmers has been hard to miss. Journalists have disclosed that a quarter of the total membership of the European parliament has been involved in legal proceedings or other scandals.
The EU, especially its usual suspects France and Italy, bear an unprecedented burden of debt, and the Germans may not be able to prop them up for ever. Donald Tusk is taking rather illiberal measures in Poland, but as he is staunchly pro-Brussels, this is deemed fine.
There are the usual divisions on financial policy, and more recent ones on foreign policy. The latest novelty is that Ireland and Spain are increasing contributions to the controversial UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinians (UNRWA) whereas France, Germany and the Netherlands have suspended theirs. There is unconcealed disagreement over the Ukraine war, and over policy towards China. The EU economies (like ours and the Japanese) are in the doldrums, as they have been since 2008, and for some countries ever since the introduction of the euro in 1999.
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Extremist parties, containing some very nasty elements, are on the rise from Ireland to Greece. Britain’s likely move to the centre-Left under Keir Starmer would be swimming against the European tide.
In the circumstances, I find it hard to understand why anyone of independent mind should think that the EU – whether we rejoin it at insane cost or align with it as a captive market – can provide the solution to any of our manifold national problems.
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In those far-off days when we voted to leave, I was naively optimistic. I thought that, when Brexit turned out not to bring the catastrophe promised in the “Project Fear” litany (mass unemployment, international marginalisation, financial collapse), emotions would ebb and Brexit seem a natural consequence of our political and economic divergence. Instead, it remains a painful source of division. This puzzles me, though some readers of this column may well be eager to explain.
There are wealthy interests eager to blow on the embers. Big international corporations didn’t like Brexit and still don’t. Goldman Sachs has recently produced a report claiming that the British economy is 4 per cent smaller than it should be, though they manage this (a distinguished economist friend tells me) by doing “some extreme economic backflips” to reach the required answer, overlooking the boom in service exports, assuming that non-white immigrants make negligible economic contributions, and saying nothing about net zero and energy costs.
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Just as negative are most of our official establishment, including those now-notorious weeping diplomats. The philosopher John Gray suggested unkindly that Brexit required “hard work and new thinking, a prospect our ruling elites would rather avoid”.
A large part of the public, who were scared by Project Fear in 2016, are having their fears kept alive by the stream of pessimism produced by think tanks (often EU funded) and corporations, and eagerly propagated by parts of the media and politicians.
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Add to that disillusioned Brexit voters. This group is eagerly highlighted by Rejoiners. To be frank, I am part of it. This is not because I (and I believe many others) think that leaving the EU was a bad idea, but because we are
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Post by oldie on Feb 18, 2024 15:15:37 GMT
Meanwhile Ltd's favourite media outlet (sic) the inappropriately named GB News, held a poll this weekend www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/gb-news-rejoin-eu-poll-hijacked-368905/Tried to hide votes behind a paywall (Trump style grifting) Then they lost control As voters got around the paywall, this happened "GB News poll backfires, as 90% of voters choose to ‘rejoin the EU’" It's all a bit of a joke as everything is with that excuse for a news channel, but come on...you have to bloody laugh. Perhaps only champagne socialists living in leafy suburbs voted...😂😂😂 |
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