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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 28, 2023 18:09:48 GMT
On Change.org (a petition website) there is a 'reinstate Joey petition', it was started yesterday and has amassed 195 signatures! The comments left by those that have signed the petition make interesting/amusing reading. I guess there is more chance of Kier Starmer reinstating Jeremy Corbyn, 212 signatures now. Including this gem of a reason: "Left wing snowflake bedwetters have cost us the best manger we’ve ever had ��" ... which has garnered 4 likes so far. Dear-o-dear!   How many more do they need before it's raised in Parliament?  Got to be Baself |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 29, 2023 7:07:57 GMT
Someone, somewhere has got quite a large Joey Barton flag! It's been displayed at many away match.....I wonder if flag companies do refunds?
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 29, 2023 7:37:28 GMT
With two and a half years compensation Barton walks away with may determine his immediate future of course that money is probably the fee Peterborough United agreed for us to take Jch Of course if the back room staff have to leave once a new manager comes in then its an expensive compensation package which the new owners will have to pay.
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Post by rufustfirefly on Oct 29, 2023 16:26:09 GMT
There could be a nice job for him with those lovely people over the river
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 29, 2023 17:13:38 GMT
There could be a nice job for him with those lovely people over the river A paradox that would mush the minds of pro Barton Gasheads. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 29, 2023 17:30:09 GMT
Pearson gone too
An interesting stat Both Barton & Pearson appointed in February 2021, both sacked in October 2023. Both good friends with each other, both teams hampered with injuries which has affected progress this season. .
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 29, 2023 17:44:38 GMT
With two and a half years compensation Barton walks away with may determine his immediate future of course that money is probably the fee Peterborough United agreed for us to take Jch Of course if the back room staff have to leave once a new manager comes in then its an expensive compensation package which the new owners will have to pay. The costs to our club from manager compensation, and change to back room staff noted. plus you back your new manager in the market and changing the squad around, and that is expensive. Worse, sacking your manager and their plan end of October, you are effectively writing this season off, as new manager needs to be found and then change things their way. So what the owners have done to the club this week is move expectations for the season, having removed a manager whose assembled his own squad from Xx windows, you can’t have the same ambition for this season placed on new incoming management team. what the owners have done to the club this week is expensive in many ways, that’s unarguable. But was it necessary is the arguable point. in my opinion, you relieve your manager in April May, when expectations for season and from their tenancy are over - October only if you fear they cannot get you out a slump taking you to relegation. Bristol rovers were definitely not in a slump heading to relegation start of last week. |
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 29, 2023 18:31:12 GMT
With two and a half years compensation Barton walks away with may determine his immediate future of course that money is probably the fee Peterborough United agreed for us to take Jch Of course if the back room staff have to leave once a new manager comes in then its an expensive compensation package which the new owners will have to pay. The costs to our club from manager compensation, and change to back room staff noted. plus you back your new manager in the market and changing the squad around, and that is expensive. Worse, sacking your manager and their plan end of October, you are effectively writing this season off, as new manager needs to be found and then change things their way. So what the owners have done to the club this week is move expectations for the season, having removed a manager whose assembled his own squad from Xx windows, you can’t have the same ambition for this season placed on new incoming management team. what the owners have done to the club this week is expensive in many ways, that’s unarguable. But was it necessary is the arguable point. in my opinion, you relieve your manager in April May, when expectations for season and from their tenancy are over - October only if you fear they cannot get you out a slump taking you to relegation. Bristol rovers were definitely not in a slump heading to relegation start of last week. And what of the managers sacked this week? |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 29, 2023 22:13:00 GMT
There could be a nice job for him with those lovely people over the river Yes, Nigel Pearson to BRFC and JB to BC1982LTD... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 22:14:16 GMT
While we're still in the third division, I wouldn't mind him relegating them here.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 29, 2023 23:15:08 GMT
With two and a half years compensation Barton walks away with may determine his immediate future of course that money is probably the fee Peterborough United agreed for us to take Jch Of course if the back room staff have to leave once a new manager comes in then its an expensive compensation package which the new owners will have to pay. The costs to our club from manager compensation, and change to back room staff noted. plus you back your new manager in the market and changing the squad around, and that is expensive. Worse, sacking your manager and their plan end of October, you are effectively writing this season off, as new manager needs to be found and then change things their way. So what the owners have done to the club this week is move expectations for the season, having removed a manager whose assembled his own squad from Xx windows, you can’t have the same ambition for this season placed on new incoming management team. what the owners have done to the club this week is expensive in many ways, that’s unarguable. But was it necessary is the arguable point. in my opinion, you relieve your manager in April May, when expectations for season and from their tenancy are over - October only if you fear they cannot get you out a slump taking you to relegation. Bristol rovers were definitely not in a slump heading to relegation start of last week. On the other hand the new manager gets a good few weeks to evaluate the current squad and then has the Jan window to make a few tweaks. If the squad is as good as we have been hearing then it should not require extensive surgery. New owners had clearly decided Barton wasn’t good enough and acted decisively. Good timing in my opinion |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 30, 2023 19:36:03 GMT
The costs to our club from manager compensation, and change to back room staff noted. plus you back your new manager in the market and changing the squad around, and that is expensive. Worse, sacking your manager and their plan end of October, you are effectively writing this season off, as new manager needs to be found and then change things their way. So what the owners have done to the club this week is move expectations for the season, having removed a manager whose assembled his own squad from Xx windows, you can’t have the same ambition for this season placed on new incoming management team. what the owners have done to the club this week is expensive in many ways, that’s unarguable. But was it necessary is the arguable point. in my opinion, you relieve your manager in April May, when expectations for season and from their tenancy are over - October only if you fear they cannot get you out a slump taking you to relegation. Bristol rovers were definitely not in a slump heading to relegation start of last week. On the other hand the new manager gets a good few weeks to evaluate the current squad and then has the Jan window to make a few tweaks. If the squad is as good as we have been hearing then it should not require extensive surgery. New owners had clearly decided Barton wasn’t good enough and acted decisively. Good timing in my opinion Separating “marmite personality” from “football manager”, Joey Barton football manager’s first stint as Rovers boss wasn’t at all bad - bouncing back immediately after dropping into basement isn’t what we done before, we’ve floundered, and falling apart in L1 whilst reaching for Championship, putting us as relegation risk, is what got Trollop and Clarke the sack, and it is far from proven still only here in October that Barton has done the same, it’s not been proved he is not good enough to get us out of L1 and has left us in relegation trouble. because of the manner and timing of his departure, Joey will increasingly be the King over the Sea to many gasheads, if things don’t pan out as wonderfully as you suggest with new manager appointment and how the rest of the season goes, this can become absolutely clear. it could have been proved to be the right decision, given more time. But absolutely not proved right now. So Bad Timing I’m convinced it is, leaving things unproven and unresolved - that in this particular case would have been far better to have been left proven and resolved. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 30, 2023 20:48:28 GMT
On the other hand the new manager gets a good few weeks to evaluate the current squad and then has the Jan window to make a few tweaks. If the squad is as good as we have been hearing then it should not require extensive surgery. New owners had clearly decided Barton wasn’t good enough and acted decisively. Good timing in my opinion Separating “marmite personality” from “football manager”, Joey Barton football manager’s first stint as Rovers boss wasn’t at all bad - bouncing back immediately after dropping into basement isn’t what we done before, we’ve floundered, and falling apart in L1 whilst reaching for Championship, putting us as relegation risk, is what got Trollop and Clarke the sack, and it is far from proven still only here in October that Barton has done the same, it’s not been proved he is not good enough to get us out of L1 and has left us in relegation trouble. because of the manner and timing of his departure, Joey will increasingly be the King over the Sea to many gasheads, if things don’t pan out as wonderfully as you suggest with new manager appointment and how the rest of the season goes, this can become absolutely clear. it could have been proved to be the right decision, given more time. But absolutely not proved right now. So Bad Timing I’m convinced it is, leaving things unproven and unresolved - that in this particular case would have been far better to have been left proven and resolved. If I was chucking £2m a year at a business, I am pretty sure that after a couple of years and the man being paid to achieve had achieved not very much and it wasn't getting any better, I would have him out. So they did. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 30, 2023 22:47:45 GMT
Separating “marmite personality” from “football manager”, Joey Barton football manager’s first stint as Rovers boss wasn’t at all bad - bouncing back immediately after dropping into basement isn’t what we done before, we’ve floundered, and falling apart in L1 whilst reaching for Championship, putting us as relegation risk, is what got Trollop and Clarke the sack, and it is far from proven still only here in October that Barton has done the same, it’s not been proved he is not good enough to get us out of L1 and has left us in relegation trouble. because of the manner and timing of his departure, Joey will increasingly be the King over the Sea to many gasheads, if things don’t pan out as wonderfully as you suggest with new manager appointment and how the rest of the season goes, this can become absolutely clear. it could have been proved to be the right decision, given more time. But absolutely not proved right now. So Bad Timing I’m convinced it is, leaving things unproven and unresolved - that in this particular case would have been far better to have been left proven and resolved. If I was chucking £2m a year at a business, I am pretty sure that after a couple of years and the man being paid to achieve had achieved not very much and it wasn't getting any better, I would have him out. So they did. Wael was OK subsidising losses, whether it was £2mil or £3mil pa. But Wael is not in charge any more. I believe that Hussain made the decision to remove that thing. So IMHO it's not 'they', it's Hussain Al-Saeed. And fair play to him. Onwards and upwards. UTG. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 30, 2023 23:50:34 GMT
On the other hand the new manager gets a good few weeks to evaluate the current squad and then has the Jan window to make a few tweaks. If the squad is as good as we have been hearing then it should not require extensive surgery. New owners had clearly decided Barton wasn’t good enough and acted decisively. Good timing in my opinion Separating “marmite personality” from “football manager”, Joey Barton football manager’s first stint as Rovers boss wasn’t at all bad - bouncing back immediately after dropping into basement isn’t what we done before, we’ve floundered, and falling apart in L1 whilst reaching for Championship, putting us as relegation risk, is what got Trollop and Clarke the sack, and it is far from proven still only here in October that Barton has done the same, it’s not been proved he is not good enough to get us out of L1 and has left us in relegation trouble. because of the manner and timing of his departure, Joey will increasingly be the King over the Sea to many gasheads, if things don’t pan out as wonderfully as you suggest with new manager appointment and how the rest of the season goes, this can become absolutely clear. it could have been proved to be the right decision, given more time. But absolutely not proved right now. So Bad Timing I’m convinced it is, leaving things unproven and unresolved - that in this particular case would have been far better to have been left proven and resolved. Leaving it till christmas would also be unlikely to prove anything either even if we somehow miraculously went on a run akin to that of feb 21 onwards and based on performances to date I would say that was very unlikely. I’m clearly speculating here but a reasonable inference is that wed’d bump along at about 1.3 ppg which is about Barton’s historical average with both us and Fleetwood and is pretty mediocre considering what we are spending on the team. We’d also have made it much harder for a new manager if we then decided to get rid much closer to the transfer window. I make no predictions as to how the season will pan out as that will depend on who gets the gig and another bad appointment could see the wheels fall off spectacularly. I think that is unlikely as I do think we have enough quality in the squad (Barton deserves credit for this) but also think that Barton was not getting the best out of it. It is a bit of a gamble but feels like a measured one to me and a better option than sticking with what we had which had all the hallmarks of underachievement. Will be keeping everything crossed that the new owners are better than Wael at managerial appointments but that is a low bar for them to clear Edit - also worth making the point that Barton leaves us in almost the same league position as when he was appointed. Not a great return for the cost he has been allowed to incur |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 31, 2023 10:59:14 GMT
Separating “marmite personality” from “football manager”, Joey Barton football manager’s first stint as Rovers boss wasn’t at all bad - bouncing back immediately after dropping into basement isn’t what we done before, we’ve floundered, and falling apart in L1 whilst reaching for Championship, putting us as relegation risk, is what got Trollop and Clarke the sack, and it is far from proven still only here in October that Barton has done the same, it’s not been proved he is not good enough to get us out of L1 and has left us in relegation trouble. because of the manner and timing of his departure, Joey will increasingly be the King over the Sea to many gasheads, if things don’t pan out as wonderfully as you suggest with new manager appointment and how the rest of the season goes, this can become absolutely clear. it could have been proved to be the right decision, given more time. But absolutely not proved right now. So Bad Timing I’m convinced it is, leaving things unproven and unresolved - that in this particular case would have been far better to have been left proven and resolved. Leaving it till christmas would also be unlikely to prove anything either even if we somehow miraculously went on a run akin to that of feb 21 onwards and based on performances to date I would say that was very unlikely. I’m clearly speculating here but a reasonable inference is that wed’d bump along at about 1.3 ppg which is about Barton’s historical average with both us and Fleetwood and is pretty mediocre considering what we are spending on the team. We’d also have made it much harder for a new manager if we then decided to get rid much closer to the transfer window. I make no predictions as to how the season will pan out as that will depend on who gets the gig and another bad appointment could see the wheels fall off spectacularly. I think that is unlikely as I do think we have enough quality in the squad (Barton deserves credit for this) but also think that Barton was not getting the best out of it. It is a bit of a gamble but feels like a measured one to me and a better option than sticking with what we had which had all the hallmarks of underachievement. Will be keeping everything crossed that the new owners are better than Wael at managerial appointments but that is a low bar for them to clear Edit - also worth making the point that Barton leaves us in almost the same league position as when he was appointed. Not a great return for the cost he has been allowed to incur your first couple of paragraphs okay. But the edit line is complete rubbish. You can’t measure where a team actually is this year by its league position in October. Trollope, Clarke, Barton have all achieved promotion from lowly October, lowly much later league positions. Sides can do that in second half of a season, but not the second half of season side Barton inherited, it was devoid of backbone and leadership, weak in both boxes and midfield, and headed to relegation under most managers. it’s very important for all gasheads to acknowledge the true history here - even the ones letting off flares for the “creature they hated” is now gone. Barton Did Not fail as manager here. There is not enough evidence to prove he did. Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success. And what is the next stage we now measure our managers success against? Second season in L1, we are still building our way up this table. the historical truth. You sense it’s not a managerial appointment the new owners would have made in the first place, due to how he falls out with players and his daft, too often controversial media management. This is what has actually got Barton the sack, not assessment of performances, the results, ability to team build and potential to keep us up and get us top half finishes. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 31, 2023 11:31:24 GMT
Leaving it till christmas would also be unlikely to prove anything either even if we somehow miraculously went on a run akin to that of feb 21 onwards and based on performances to date I would say that was very unlikely. I’m clearly speculating here but a reasonable inference is that wed’d bump along at about 1.3 ppg which is about Barton’s historical average with both us and Fleetwood and is pretty mediocre considering what we are spending on the team. We’d also have made it much harder for a new manager if we then decided to get rid much closer to the transfer window. I make no predictions as to how the season will pan out as that will depend on who gets the gig and another bad appointment could see the wheels fall off spectacularly. I think that is unlikely as I do think we have enough quality in the squad (Barton deserves credit for this) but also think that Barton was not getting the best out of it. It is a bit of a gamble but feels like a measured one to me and a better option than sticking with what we had which had all the hallmarks of underachievement. Will be keeping everything crossed that the new owners are better than Wael at managerial appointments but that is a low bar for them to clear Edit - also worth making the point that Barton leaves us in almost the same league position as when he was appointed. Not a great return for the cost he has been allowed to incur your first couple of paragraphs okay. But the edit line is complete rubbish. You can’t measure where a team actually is this year by its league position in October. Trollope, Clarke, Barton have all achieved promotion from lowly October, lowly much later league positions. Sides can do that in second half of a season, but not the second half of season side Barton inherited, it was devoid of backbone and leadership, weak in both boxes and midfield, and headed to relegation under most managers. it’s very important for all gasheads to acknowledge the true history here - even the ones letting off flares for the “creature they hated” is now gone. Barton Did Not fail as manager here. There is not enough evidence to prove he did. Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success. And what is the next stage we now measure our managers success against? Second season in L1, we are still building our way up this table. the historical truth. You sense it’s not a managerial appointment the new owners would have made in the first place, due to how he falls out with players and his daft, too often controversial media management. This is what has actually got Barton the sack, not assessment of performances, the results, ability to team build and potential to keep us up and get us top half finishes. It's as if the £5M (roughly) cash burned in 21/22 and 22/23 was nothing to do with him. Plus there was no indication it was getting any better. Jam tomorrow only works for a while until the providers of the cash say "enough". Which they have. Time to move on and hope the executive that lost DC, mismanaged GC, gambled on Garner and inflicted Barton upon us will do better. They shoulder as much of blame for underperformance by the club as much as anyone. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 31, 2023 11:39:42 GMT
Even the Sportsman pizza number 8 has gone.....the pic is too large to upload here, but it's changed from The Joey Barton to The GasHead pizza!
£9.
Fill your boots... (Duck friendly now, I presume?!)
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 31, 2023 11:43:27 GMT
your first couple of paragraphs okay. But the edit line is complete rubbish. You can’t measure where a team actually is this year by its league position in October. Trollope, Clarke, Barton have all achieved promotion from lowly October, lowly much later league positions. Sides can do that in second half of a season, but not the second half of season side Barton inherited, it was devoid of backbone and leadership, weak in both boxes and midfield, and headed to relegation under most managers. it’s very important for all gasheads to acknowledge the true history here - even the ones letting off flares for the “creature they hated” is now gone. Barton Did Not fail as manager here. There is not enough evidence to prove he did. Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success. And what is the next stage we now measure our managers success against? Second season in L1, we are still building our way up this table. the historical truth. You sense it’s not a managerial appointment the new owners would have made in the first place, due to how he falls out with players and his daft, too often controversial media management. This is what has actually got Barton the sack, not assessment of performances, the results, ability to team build and potential to keep us up and get us top half finishes. Sorry have to disagree on a a couple of points. Our relegation season he gave the appearance of being disinterested in saving us and seemed resigned to relegation. Yes he got us promotion, which I applaud, but we are no further on, with all the talk and, as Oldie says, burning through millions, to get us back to where he started. As for 'Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success.' Really? I believe a certain DC would refute that claim. Bounce back from National League and Promotion to League One. And Coughlan [whether you like his style or not] got us to 3rd on a hell of a lot less money. |
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 31, 2023 13:34:25 GMT
your first couple of paragraphs okay. But the edit line is complete rubbish. You can’t measure where a team actually is this year by its league position in October. Trollope, Clarke, Barton have all achieved promotion from lowly October, lowly much later league positions. Sides can do that in second half of a season, but not the second half of season side Barton inherited, it was devoid of backbone and leadership, weak in both boxes and midfield, and headed to relegation under most managers. it’s very important for all gasheads to acknowledge the true history here - even the ones letting off flares for the “creature they hated” is now gone. Barton Did Not fail as manager here. There is not enough evidence to prove he did. Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success. And what is the next stage we now measure our managers success against? Second season in L1, we are still building our way up this table. the historical truth. You sense it’s not a managerial appointment the new owners would have made in the first place, due to how he falls out with players and his daft, too often controversial media management. This is what has actually got Barton the sack, not assessment of performances, the results, ability to team build and potential to keep us up and get us top half finishes. Sorry have to disagree on a a couple of points. Our relegation season he gave the appearance of being disinterested in saving us and seemed resigned to relegation. Yes he got us promotion, which I applaud, but we are no further on, with all the talk and, as Oldie says, burning through millions, to get us back to where he started. As for 'Bouncing back straightaway from relegation, not something we historically do, was success.' Really? I believe a certain DC would refute that claim. Bounce back from National League and Promotion to League One. And Coughlan [whether you like his style or not] got us to 3rd on a hell of a lot less money. Absolutely nailed it. |
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