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Post by eppinggas on Feb 14, 2024 21:16:16 GMT
What a disgusting state of affairs. The Police sit back and do nothing for 4 hours. Whilst the crowd shout pro-terrorist slogans and intimidate an MP and his family. "Yemen, Yemen do us proud, make them turn the ships around". Yeah - bomb civilian shipping and kill innocent people. How is this not a criminal offence? Can you imagine a right wing mob outside a left wing MP's house? Shouting pro-IDF slogans? The woke Police would have them banged up in 10 minutes. We are entering a dangerous time. 3 Pro-Hamas supporters who were carrying images of para-gliders were up in Court. They were 'celebrating' the Hamas attack. The murder, rape and mutilation of innocent Jews. This was BEFORE the IDF launched their main assault into the Gaza strip. Absolute scum. I bet the Magistrate through the book at them. No, of course he didn't. These lovely salt of the earth Londoners (Heba Alhayek, Pauline Ankundapeople and Noimutu Olayinka Taiwo) walked out free. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. WTF is happening to this country? WTF is happening ? the mob are taking control imo, remember a few years back rent a mob invaded a restaurant where Farage was eating with his family,scaring his young daughters ****less, what a bunch of heroes. Left wing mobs run the streets. When the mob destroys public property (for example a statue of Bristol's greatest philanthropist) - the Police did nothing. Tell you what - try taking down a statue of Nelson Mandela (a man who refused to renounce violence) - your feet wouldn't touch the floor. Two tier policing. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 8:23:05 GMT
Wow
I see the extremist posts are being put up to this forum this morning.
It's like copy and paste en mass from the gutter.
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Post by trymer on Feb 15, 2024 10:07:50 GMT
WTF is happening ? the mob are taking control imo, remember a few years back rent a mob invaded a restaurant where Farage was eating with his family,scaring his young daughters ****less, what a bunch of heroes. Left wing mobs run the streets. When the mob destroys public property (for example a statue of Bristol's greatest philanthropist) - the Police did nothing. Tell you what - try taking down a statue of Nelson Mandela (a man who refused to renounce violence) - your feet wouldn't touch the floor. Two tier policing. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. I agree with that but imo that statue should have been taken down years before and put in the museum in an exhibition that explained who he was and what he did. I dont think that I can be described as 'woke' (I hope not anyway) but we live in a multi racial society and if black people found the statue offensive then the statue is unacceptable in a prominent public place. The irony is that the council didnt take it down,it gave rent a mob an excuse to cause mayhem and the statue ended up in a museum anyway...the problem is all the ill feeling that the saga has caused...unecessary. |
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Post by trymer on Feb 15, 2024 10:12:13 GMT
WTF is happening ? the mob are taking control imo, remember a few years back rent a mob invaded a restaurant where Farage was eating with his family,scaring his young daughters ****less, what a bunch of heroes. Left wing mobs run the streets. When the mob destroys public property (for example a statue of Bristol's greatest philanthropist) - the Police did nothing. Tell you what - try taking down a statue of Nelson Mandela (a man who refused to renounce violence) - your feet wouldn't touch the floor. Two tier policing. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. You only have to look how many people who went to protect the Cenotaph were taken into custody on Rememberance day,I think 180 ? and only 2 or 3 charged with anything. Meanwhile the pro Palestine/ loony leftists/rent a mob lot seem to break laws every weekend and very little is done,as you pointed out the hang glider women let off with a telling off. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 12:40:37 GMT
Left wing mobs run the streets. When the mob destroys public property (for example a statue of Bristol's greatest philanthropist) - the Police did nothing. Tell you what - try taking down a statue of Nelson Mandela (a man who refused to renounce violence) - your feet wouldn't touch the floor. Two tier policing. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. You only have to look how many people who went to protect the Cenotaph were taken into custody on Rememberance day,I think 180 ? and only 2 or 3 charged with anything. Meanwhile the pro Palestine/ loony leftists/rent a mob lot seem to break laws every weekend and very little is done,as you pointed out the hang glider women let off with a telling off. Well clearly one group broke the law and one didn't, unless you are accusing the police of some form of collision.. Are you? |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 15, 2024 17:01:56 GMT
Left wing mobs run the streets. When the mob destroys public property (for example a statue of Bristol's greatest philanthropist) - the Police did nothing. Tell you what - try taking down a statue of Nelson Mandela (a man who refused to renounce violence) - your feet wouldn't touch the floor. Two tier policing. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. I agree with that but imo that statue should have been taken down years before and put in the museum in an exhibition that explained who he was and what he did. I dont think that I can be described as 'woke' (I hope not anyway) but we live in a multi racial society and if black people found the statue offensive then the statue is unacceptable in a prominent public place. The irony is that the council didnt take it down,it gave rent a mob an excuse to cause mayhem and the statue ended up in a museum anyway...the problem is all the ill feeling that the saga has caused...unecessary. I agree that the statue should have been put in a museum. With a plaque stating that all global trade at the time had an element of slavery in it. Abhorrent. Pertinent to state that unbelievably modern slavery is still practiced in the 21st century. "The latest Global Slavery Index, produced by human rights group Walk Free, reveals the 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are North Korea, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait". Some interesting countries there eh? Also pertinent to list the philanthropic achievements of Edward Colston. Interestingly no-one has any idea what percentage of his wealth was derived from the slave trade. But don't let things like a lack of evidence or 'facts' get in the way of the extreme left wing narrative. The decision to move it should have been done by the Council. Due process and legal. We have law in this country. To desecrate a public statue is a criminal offence. To allow a left wing mob to take down the statue and then walk away from Court free sets an alarming precedent. A great example of the new paradigm we live in. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 17:37:56 GMT
I agree with that but imo that statue should have been taken down years before and put in the museum in an exhibition that explained who he was and what he did. I dont think that I can be described as 'woke' (I hope not anyway) but we live in a multi racial society and if black people found the statue offensive then the statue is unacceptable in a prominent public place. The irony is that the council didnt take it down,it gave rent a mob an excuse to cause mayhem and the statue ended up in a museum anyway...the problem is all the ill feeling that the saga has caused...unecessary. I agree that the statue should have been put in a museum. With a plaque stating that all global trade at the time had an element of slavery in it. Abhorrent. Pertinent to state that unbelievably modern slavery is still practiced in the 21st century. "The latest Global Slavery Index, produced by human rights group Walk Free, reveals the 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are North Korea, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait". Some interesting countries there eh? Also pertinent to list the philanthropic achievements of Edward Colston. Interestingly no-one has any idea what percentage of his wealth was derived from the slave trade. But don't let things like a lack of evidence or 'facts' get in the way of the extreme left wing narrative. The decision to move it should have been done by the Council. Due process and legal. We have law in this country. To desecrate a public statue is a criminal offence. To allow a left wing mob to take down the statue and then walk away from Court free sets an alarming precedent. A great example of the new paradigm we live in. One tier of justice for woke/pro-Hamas/pro-Houthi rebels. And another tier of justice for anyone who has the audacity to not subscribe to these extremist views. "Also pertinent to list the philanthropic achievements of Edward Colston. Interestingly no-one has any idea what percentage of his wealth was derived from the slave trade. But don't let things like a lack of evidence or 'facts' get in the way of the extreme left wing narrative" Ok, so state it? Go on, what are the facts? My understanding is that ship logs and manifests suggest 19,000 people died in transportation (happy to be proven wrong). No amount of latter philanthropy justifies that disgusting act. I see some have an extremely low moral threshold and to be honest I am shocked. I am also shocked that for once I agree with Trymer on the need to have taken down this statue, all else being true. But it's not. I would have loved for the Statue to stay Insitu with an added plinth with the words "This Statue is maintained in memoriam of a man who caused the death of 19,000 human beings, for money." I wonder what the kids would think of that... |
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Post by trymer on Feb 15, 2024 20:34:57 GMT
Slavery is abhorrent but it was around for thousands of years,one tribe beat another and used the beaten tribes survivors as slaves.
White slaves captured in Devon,Cornwall and Somerset taken by barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa.
Egyptians,Greeks Romans all great civilisations but all used slaves.
Britain was foremost in bringing the African slave trade to an end, but up until then people like Colston were not doing anything illegal and probably in those days very few thought it was immoral either,the working class here were treated like **** ,little boys stuck up chimneys etc.
We shouldnt forget that it was other Africans who sold the slaves to Colston and other slave traders,more died in the barracoons than they did on the middle passage.
One thing that puzzles me is that surely having bought the slaves it would have been common sense to keep them alive and as fit as possible to sell ? wheres the profit in 19,000 dead people that you have paid for ?
Times have changed (thankfully) and we can look back and condemn things that were done in the past but we are judging them by the standards of today.
A while ago a book was republished after approximately 150 years 'Three months in the Southern states' basically the journal of a British officer who travelled to Mexico,across the southern (Confederate states) observed the battle of Gettysburg and then the New York riots before sailing home.....on its republication some people wanted it banned because of that officers language and racism.
I doubt that he spoke or thought any differently to any officer of his day,the people calling for its ban because it wasnt PC were judging him by todays standards,I found it interesting to read how different it was then.
I hope that the museum exhibit points out that Colston was a philanthropist and was widely admired by the people of Bristol and that explains his statue,but that times are more enlightened and that how he made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable,so that people can actually learn from the exhibition.
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Post by oldie on Feb 15, 2024 20:46:33 GMT
FFS Trymer
"I hope that the museum exhibit points out that Colston was a philanthropist and was widely admired by the people of Bristol and that explains his statue,but that times are more enlightened and that how he made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable,so that people can actually learn from the exhibition."
Precisely
Bristolians at the time we're barely literate and lived in what we would consider appalling conditions.
That is not the case now and it is not acceptable to say, as Epping has, "but look at his philanthropy"
I think one of the fundamental issues is that many want to look back and think it was a "golden time" for the UK.
It was not, far from it
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 17, 2024 9:22:38 GMT
Slavery is abhorrent but it was around for thousands of years,one tribe beat another and used the beaten tribes survivors as slaves. White slaves captured in Devon,Cornwall and Somerset taken by barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa. Egyptians,Greeks Romans all great civilisations but all used slaves. Britain was foremost in bringing the African slave trade to an end, but up until then people like Colston were not doing anything illegal and probably in those days very few thought it was immoral either,the working class here were treated like **** ,little boys stuck up chimneys etc. We shouldnt forget that it was other Africans who sold the slaves to Colston and other slave traders,more died in the barracoons than they did on the middle passage. One thing that puzzles me is that surely having bought the slaves it would have been common sense to keep them alive and as fit as possible to sell ? wheres the profit in 19,000 dead people that you have paid for ? Times have changed (thankfully) and we can look back and condemn things that were done in the past but we are judging them by the standards of today. A while ago a book was republished after approximately 150 years 'Three months in the Southern states' basically the journal of a British officer who travelled to Mexico,across the southern (Confederate states) observed the battle of Gettysburg and then the New York riots before sailing home.....on its republication some people wanted it banned because of that officers language and racism. I doubt that he spoke or thought any differently to any officer of his day,the people calling for its ban because it wasnt PC were judging him by todays standards,I found it interesting to read how different it was then. I hope that the museum exhibit points out that Colston was a philanthropist and was widely admired by the people of Bristol and that explains his statue,but that times are more enlightened and that how he made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable,so that people can actually learn from the exhibition. Agree with an awful lot of that. Just one last thing - "how he (Colston) made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable". OK - But can someone please put a credible number on that percentage. Just so we can actually look at the truth. Because, call me old fashioned, I think that is quite important. |
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Post by trymer on Feb 17, 2024 9:24:03 GMT
Hezbollah making threatening noises about retaliation for IDF attacks on Lebanon, tbh I thought that they would have kicked off long ago,maybe waiting for the US carrier group to leave the region ?
As well they could be coordinating with other groups to attack the US bases in Syria and Iraq.
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Post by oldie on Feb 17, 2024 9:48:58 GMT
Slavery is abhorrent but it was around for thousands of years,one tribe beat another and used the beaten tribes survivors as slaves. White slaves captured in Devon,Cornwall and Somerset taken by barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa. Egyptians,Greeks Romans all great civilisations but all used slaves. Britain was foremost in bringing the African slave trade to an end, but up until then people like Colston were not doing anything illegal and probably in those days very few thought it was immoral either,the working class here were treated like **** ,little boys stuck up chimneys etc. We shouldnt forget that it was other Africans who sold the slaves to Colston and other slave traders,more died in the barracoons than they did on the middle passage. One thing that puzzles me is that surely having bought the slaves it would have been common sense to keep them alive and as fit as possible to sell ? wheres the profit in 19,000 dead people that you have paid for ? Times have changed (thankfully) and we can look back and condemn things that were done in the past but we are judging them by the standards of today. A while ago a book was republished after approximately 150 years 'Three months in the Southern states' basically the journal of a British officer who travelled to Mexico,across the southern (Confederate states) observed the battle of Gettysburg and then the New York riots before sailing home.....on its republication some people wanted it banned because of that officers language and racism. I doubt that he spoke or thought any differently to any officer of his day,the people calling for its ban because it wasnt PC were judging him by todays standards,I found it interesting to read how different it was then. I hope that the museum exhibit points out that Colston was a philanthropist and was widely admired by the people of Bristol and that explains his statue,but that times are more enlightened and that how he made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable,so that people can actually learn from the exhibition. Agree with an awful lot of that. Just one last thing - "how he (Colston) made his money wasnt/isnt acceptable". OK - But can someone please put a credible number on that percentage. Just so we can actually look at the truth. Because, call me old fashioned, I think that is quite important. "The Colston family suffered a set-back at the end of the Civil War when a subsequent Thomas Colston (Master of SMV in 1644) played a prominent role on the Royalist side, commanding Colston’s Fort on Kingsdown during the siege of the City. After the King’s defeat, leading members of the City Corporation were dismissed. These included Thomas, together with Edward Colston’s father, William. (2). Edward Colston himself, born and christened in Bristol, was sent away to London. (3) After the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, William Colston re-joined the Corporation and resumed his business importing wine, oil and raisins from Spain and Portugal. (4) His son, Edward, never returned to live in Bristol, becoming a member of the Mercers’ Company in London. (5) In 1680, Edward Colston became a member of the Royal African Company and took an active part in the slave trade. (6) After his father’s death, Edward Colston visited Bristol and joined the Society of Merchant Venturers in 1683. He attended two meetings (7) and continued to live in London. He became Deputy Governor of the Royal African Company in 1689, attending a Court for the final time in 1691. The last mention of Edward Colston in connection with the Royal African Company was made in the company records of 1692 when he received a small share of the warrant for gratuities to the Assistants. (8) With no heirs, Edward Colston gave away his vast fortune before he died in London in 1721. His body was buried in Bristol. How much of his wealth was derived from the family business based in Bristol and how much from the Mercers’ Company or Royal African Company is unknown, but there is no doubt that Edward Colston profited from the slave trading conducted by the Royal African Company." |
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Post by trymer on Feb 17, 2024 12:10:22 GMT
After Judge Jefferys 'bloody assizes' hundreds of rebels were bumped off in various painful ways,someone must of thought that was a bit of a waste and that there was a profit to be made so the King was asked and agreed to let hundreds of rebels be sent into slavery.
Lots of the rebels died either aboard ship or when they got to there, some years later the survivors were pardoned and those that were able to afford passage home returned,most to Somerset.
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Post by oldie on Feb 17, 2024 12:34:51 GMT
After Judge Jefferys 'bloody assizes' hundreds of rebels were bumped off in various painful ways,someone must of thought that was a bit of a waste and that there was a profit to be made so the King was asked and agreed to let hundreds of rebels be sent into slavery. Lots of the rebels died either aboard ship or when they got to there, some years later the survivors were pardoned and those that were able to afford passage home returned,most to Somerset. If true (you show no references to what you have written) doesnt the fact you say "many died" reinforce the point that thousands died under Colston's slave trading?. 19,000. |
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 2, 2024 17:01:47 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/10942/production/_133060976_gazaattack-lh-epa.jpgSummarySeven people working for food aid charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) have been killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says the convoy they were in was hit unintentionally "It happens in war... and we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again," he says Three British nationals were among those killed, along with Australian, Polish, Palestinian workers and a dual US-Canadian citizen There's been widespread condemnation of the strike from world leaders, along with demands for explanation Aid agencies are concerned the incident will prevent critical aid getting to those who need it ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/bd5934dd-fc0d-4c2f-b9d8-680878d38e88.jpgUN official Martin Griffiths says he is "outraged" by the killings. "They were heroes, killed while trying to feed starving people," he wrote on social media. "All this talk about ceasefires and still this war steals the best of us. The actions of those behind it are indefensible." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/3ca2718f-acb4-4d84-afe1-c4dc853e4fd3.jpgPresident of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, pays tribute to the aid workers who lost their lives and sends her “deepest condolences to their families and friends”. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the death of Australian aid worker Lalzawmi "Zomi" Frankcom was a "tragedy that should never have occurred" and calls for "full accountability". UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says he is “shocked and saddened", adding "clearly there are questions that need to be answered". British nationals are reported to have been killed. Poland’s Foreign Minister Radek Sikorksi says he is personally asking for an “urgent explanation” from the Israeli ambassador Yacov Livne into reports that a Pole was among those killed. The White House says it is "heartbroken and deeply troubled by the strike". US National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson urges Israel to “swiftly investigate what happened". ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/29987181-4818-4522-8c49-ea1d0792f80d.pngIsrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has admitted an "unintentional" Israeli strike killed "innocent people" in Gaza, after seven people working for food aid charity World Central Kitchen were killed. Speaking in Hebrew in a video message, he said: "Unfortunately, in the last 24 hours there was a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people in the Gaza Strip. "It happens in war, we check it to the end, we are in contact with the governments, and we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again." ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/7e0512dc-71b1-4724-87b8-1153ff6de943.pngThe charity's president Sean Carroll says the decision to freeze its operations was not taken easily. "This (attack) is really, really hard to stomach, to understand. These are our partners, our friends...it's very hard, it's inexplicable, it can't be justified," Carroll tells BBC World Service's Newshour. "I think the world has to scratch its head and ask really hard questions about how this could happen." He says it's the first time in 56 years of working in the Palestinian Occupied Territories that it's paused operations. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/f6d5d77e-7a07-4835-8f6d-dc2e3ac5e274.jpgLabour leader Sir Keir Starmer says the deaths of three British aid workers, killed in last night's Israeli air strike in Gaza, are "outrageous and unacceptable". Starmer calls for international law to be upheld, saying that "we condemn this strike" and there must be "a full investigation and those responsible must be held to account". "Humanitarian workers put their lives in danger to serve others," he says, and calls for the war to "stop now". "Far too many innocent people have died in this conflict and more than a million are facing starvation." Earlier Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was "shocked and saddened" by the incident and that questions needed to be answered. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/2/126f2b77-29c9-48bb-a193-cd1f35dfa523.jpgDavid Cameron says he spoke with Israeli foreign minister Israel Katz "to underline" the airstrikes that killed seven aid workers from the World Central Kitchen were "completely unacceptable". Writing on X, the UK foreign secretary says: "Israel must urgently explain how this happened & make major changes to ensure safety of aid workers on the ground."
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 3, 2024 14:28:26 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/1FFA/production/_133068180_wck-livehero-reuters.jpgBBC names three Britons killed in Israeli strike on Gaza aid convoyThe BBC has been able to establish that the names of the three British aid workers killed in the Israeli air strike on a Gaza aid convoy are: John Chapman, James Henderson and James Kirby. Other foreign nationals among the seven aid workers killed came from Poland, Australia, Canada and the US. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/3/2404ef4b-4b2c-4615-9f57-efe1b728602a.jpgThe family of James Kirby - one of the three British nationals killed in the Israeli air strike in Gaza - have paid tribute to him. They say he will be remembered as a hero. "Despite the risks, his compassionate nature drove him to offer assistance to those in dire need. A genuine gentleman, James was always willing to lend a helping hand to anyone, even in the face of senseless violence. James lost his life trying to save others, he will never know what a void he has left, our family will never be the same. Despite the risks, his compassionate nature drove him to offer assistance to those in dire need. A genuine gentleman, James was always willing to lend a helping hand to anyone, even in the face of senseless violence. James lost his life trying to save others, he will never know what a void he has left, our family will never be the same. They say they are "incredibly proud of who James was and what he achieved". ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/3/93c5814d-8786-45b1-ac22-7e1aa6971900.jpgWe're hearing now from the family of John Chapman - one of the British nationals killed by the Israeli air strike on Monday. In a statement they say. “We are devastated to have lost John, who was killed in Gaza. He died trying to help people and was subject to an inhumane act. He was an incredible father, husband, son and brother. “We request we be given space and time to grieve appropriately. “He was loved by many and will forever be a hero. He will be missed dearly”. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/3/66c0e9ba-b29a-47a0-b472-e4ee54c9dd04.jpgBritish, Polish, Australian, and Palestinian citizens were killed in Monday's strike, along with a US-Canadian dual national. In a statement, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was “appalled” by the deaths. “Israel must explain how this tragic incident happened and take immediate steps to protect aid workers and facilitate vital humanitarian operations in Gaza,” he said. He added that the situation in Gaza was becoming "increasingly intolerable" and that "far too many aid workers and ordinary civilians have lost their lives”. US President Joe Biden said he was “outraged and heartbroken” by the deaths and that the investigation into them “must be swift” and “must bring accountability”. He also said that Israel has “not done enough to protect civilians”. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the incident was “completely unacceptable" and would “add to the concern” about the ongoing loss of life in Gaza. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said his country "showed full solidarity with Israel" following the 7th October attacks but that that solidarity was being put "to a really hard test".
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 3, 2024 15:36:35 GMT
It's an unfortunate fact that if you are in a war zone, you are at risk. There was obviously a mistake made by the IDF and they have held their hands up and admitted it. They will investigate what went wrong to ensure the chances of it happening again are reduced.
Once again, if the Palestinians want it to stop all they have to do is hand over the hostages. It's as simple as that.
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 3, 2024 21:39:17 GMT
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World Central Kitchen founder José Andrés has accused Israeli forces in Gaza of targeting the aid workers in a strike that killed seven members of his staff on Monday, "systematically, car by car". Speaking to Reuters news agency, Andrés says that the killing of seven WCK personnel was not a mistake or a misfire, and asserts that the Israelis knew their movements at the time of the attack. "Even if we were not in coordination with the (Israeli army), no democratic country and no military can be targeting civilians and humanitarians," he says. Israel's military has expressed its "severe sorrow" over the incident, while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the strike was unintentional. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/3/55bb00b8-890f-4d23-b7e4-850123f81303.jpgMore comments now from World Central Kitchen (WCK) founder José Andrés, who earlier accused Israel of deliberately targeting the seven aid workers in Gaza, in an interview with Reuters. He's now spoken to Israeli broadcaster Channel 12 news, saying: “The airstrikes on our convoy, I don’t think were an unfortunate mistake. It was really a direct attack on clearly marked vehicles whose movements were known by everybody at the IDF." He stresses that the WCK convoy was in a deconflicted zone controlled by the Israeli forces when it was attacked. Andrés says no one is questioning Israel's right to defend itself, but "defending your people is not killing everybody else around". Israel said the strike was "unintended" and that WCK workers were not deliberately targeted. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/3/7bdc1c42-35a0-4f75-90d4-757d450761ca.jpgIsrael's Economy Minister Nir Barkat tells the BBC it is "nonsense" to suggest that Israel deliberately targeted aid workers in the air strike that killed seven on Monday night. The founder of World Central Kitchen José Andrés says he believes the attack was no mistake. Responding to this allegation, Barkat tells the BBC's Caitriona Perry: "With all due respect, there's no way in the world that Israel would target people that come to give people aid. "That's nonsense. I'm sorry, give us a bit of a respect that we care about those people." He says the Israeli military would "never target people like this", adding that he is sure that this was a mistake. "The Israeli army will interrogate this and give the families of the people who were killed all the details. We want to make sure it doesn't happen again," he says, adding that the strike was not intentional. "I'll tell you what is intentional. On 7 October, they [Hamas and other groups] entered the villages in Israel, they raped women and killed them while they're raping them." "Hamas want to wipe Israel off the map. They are hiding behind the civilians," he adds.
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ltdgas
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Post by ltdgas on Apr 4, 2024 8:32:00 GMT
I’ll personally never forget the sight of that poor young lass ( hostage ) being paraded through the streets of Gaza semi naked on the back of a moped as Palestinians cheered , the sheer terror on her face will never leave me , I wonder what happened to her , I probably don’t want to know .
Most people have forgot about her , I won’t .
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 4, 2024 9:05:20 GMT
I’ll personally never forget the sight of that poor young lass ( hostage ) being paraded through the streets of Gaza semi naked on the back of a moped as Palestinians cheered , the sheer terror on her face will never leave me , I wonder what happened to her , I probably don’t want to know . Most people have forgot about her , I won’t . It is a truly horrific situation that had developed in Gaza, i remember a bit about what you mentioned, no civillian deserves any of the heinous things that are going on... |
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