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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2023 8:43:46 GMT
Listening to the podcast I picked out two key sentences. " Wael, the previous owner, is a lovely guy" " The new owner wants value for money" Could it be that Wael was trying to please everyone and got carried away on a wave of emotion until Hussain stepped in and told Tom not to complete the deal ? As per the other Thread "Who's running this outfit?". Until we get a clearer indication of who is actually responsible for making key decisions and in which key areas, We are going to get more of this muddled thinking and cock ups. This is what happens when you get hobbyists try to run something they really have no idea about, being a hobbyist is much simpler. The reality is totally different. I have not heard the podcast but read that we tried to offer around 4-500k plus add ons. This would make sense in how it worked out, if true |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 8, 2023 9:31:15 GMT
The only other reason was to appeal the following day. I don’t think anyone is being deliberately disingenuous, it doesn’t help anyone and they would gain more respect and kudos for saying they pulled the plug due to X reasons. Would we really taxi JCH all the way up as well? What would be the point in that? I know you hold members of the board in complete disdain Swiss and are very suspicious of them but I can’t help but think you’re barking up the wrong tree here. Above anything else, no one wants to look inept and incompetent and by the sound of it, that’s exactly how we sounded when DMac and Liz were describing the saga and not having a club secretary, I would imagine when the pressure was on, we crumbled. The board comprises four people but we know that only two matter when it comes to decision making. Disdain is not the word I would use nor am I suspicious of their motives but I do believe they have proven themselves to be incompetent. And it may be that they are sufficiently incompetent to think they could do a £1.5 million value deal for JCH without getting the green light from the majority owner. So, IMO, the possibility remains that the plug was deliberately pulled at the last minute. But what do you think of the situation with the new owners ? With the benefit of a further three weeks experience at Rovers do you think Hussain has changed his mind and is now fully behind Wael & Joey’s plan to “go for it” with £800K or more sitting in the war chest ready for a January spending spree ? Or do you think they have been working hard behind the scenes and will shortly announce major changes to the way the club is managed ? L1 is a weak league this year and if there was ever a year to go and get a marquee signing or 2 and really go for promotion/play offs then this is it. So I can understand why there was either a change of tack or statement signing to be made. It could be a blessing in disguise in some ways, like you say, if we’ve got £800k to spend then there might be a better option in Jan. I think we need to look at our boardroom and admin team on the non-football side. It’s obvious we need a club secretary who knows what’s what so we don’t make this mistake again and looking at the south stand nonsense as well, if you were a paid somebody in management, with new owners I think I’d be looking over my shoulder. Whether they will get the broom out, I don’t know. I’ve met Abdullatif, albeit for a very short period and he seems very switched on and is also a director at another football club in Kuwait so has a certain degree of experience. We’ll see I guess. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 8, 2023 9:37:11 GMT
As per the other Thread "Who's running this outfit?". Until we get a clearer indication of who is actually responsible for making key decisions and in which key areas, We are going to get more of this muddled thinking and cock ups. This is what happens when you get hobbyists try to run something they really have no idea about, being a hobbyist is much simpler. The reality is totally different. I have not heard the podcast but read that we tried to offer around 4-500k plus add ons. This would make sense in how it worked out, if true I think our lack of genuine business nous is really coming to light. People who are self made are usually as street wise as they come, they’ve done the hard yards, made mistakes on the way up they don’t repeat and know how to build structures and invest in people. Sadly, I think we lack that experience and the mistakes we are making, eg the south stand, wouldn’t have been made with someone who’s able to use a bit more discretion rather than barrels of valour, no matter how commendable for effort that might be. As regards bidding for a player, there’s always a protracted drawn out set of discussions as well have a value based on what he’s worth and based on contract length and the other club will want top dollar so I’ve no problem in us testing the water with a short bid. Arsenals first bid on Declan Rice was £75m and they bought him for £105m. Were they taking the mick or were they actually seeing where things were to start the proceedings? Probably a bit of both, but it’s how it is. |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 8, 2023 16:48:28 GMT
Yes, I also heard the timescales which Liz Elsom gave and Darragh MacAnthony say he "felt for the lady who was doing the paperwork at the Bristol end" so the Peterborough people definitely do think it was simply a case of Rovers staff being too slow in filing the documents. But isn't it just a little bit suspicious to miss the extension deadline and then to miss the registration deadline by 17 minutes ? If you know for sure you've missed a very precise deadline what purpose does it serve to submit the paperwork late once let alone do it again for a second time ? The only reason I can think of would be to attempt to demonstrate to others that you had tried to complete the deal. Many Gasheads are saying that whatever the reason the deal didn't go through we should move on and learn from the experience but how many times have we heard that before ? The fact is we never learn we merely retreat back into the cosy world where things carry on just as before and I think many Gasheads are now concerned that the new owner may not have realised the enormity of the task he faces. If it's true that we were about to spend about £1.5 million on giving JCH a three year deal how does that square with what Hussain Al Saeed said three weeks ago ? There was no ambiguity in that interview because he made it clear his aim was not to give the manager more money to spend but instead to develop the team and infrastructure side by side because he didn't want to "rush" into trying to achieve promotion. You seem much more open minded these last few weeks so what do you think is going on ? Edit. extension deadline missed by 1 minute The only other reason was to appeal the following day. I don’t think anyone is being deliberately disingenuous, it doesn’t help anyone and they would gain more respect and kudos for saying they pulled the plug due to X reasons. Would we really taxi JCH all the way up as well? What would be the point in that? I know you hold members of the board in complete disdain Swiss and are very suspicious of them but I can’t help but think you’re barking up the wrong tree here. Above anything else, no one wants to look inept and incompetent and by the sound of it, that’s exactly how we sounded when DMac and Liz were describing the saga and not having a club secretary, I would imagine when the pressure was on, we crumbled. It just doesn't add up. But here's a possible scenario that might fit the picture: 1. Wael gets excited about bring JCH back. He knows the fans will love it. He agrees a deal in principle with Peterborough. 2. The deal gets as close as JCH getting in a cab and getting to the Quarters. 3. At some stage Hussain is needed to sign off on the deal. Now whether he balks at the original deal, or balks at a last minute change to the T's & C's, is a moot point. 4. By mid-evening the deal is dead. But the window is still open. Oops. What do we say to disappointed Gasheads? 5. A last ditch plan is hatched. Make sure the paperwork isn't submitted in time, then pretend to conclude the deal. Oh no! We just missed the dead-line. 6. This way it's just a bit of bad luck with the paperwork. And Hussain doesn't get the blame for not forking out £800k (and why should he?). Jobs a good 'un. Say nothing official. Just let Tom leak 'the story'. It will all go away soon. Rovers will look inept and incompetent. No change there then. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 8, 2023 17:02:50 GMT
The only other reason was to appeal the following day. I don’t think anyone is being deliberately disingenuous, it doesn’t help anyone and they would gain more respect and kudos for saying they pulled the plug due to X reasons. Would we really taxi JCH all the way up as well? What would be the point in that? I know you hold members of the board in complete disdain Swiss and are very suspicious of them but I can’t help but think you’re barking up the wrong tree here. Above anything else, no one wants to look inept and incompetent and by the sound of it, that’s exactly how we sounded when DMac and Liz were describing the saga and not having a club secretary, I would imagine when the pressure was on, we crumbled. It just doesn't add up. But here's a possible scenario that might fit the picture: 1. Wael gets excited about bring JCH back. He knows the fans will love it. He agrees a deal in principle with Peterborough. 2. The deal gets as close as JCH getting in a cab and getting to the Quarters. 3. At some stage Hussain is needed to sign off on the deal. Now whether he balks at the original deal, or balks at a last minute change to the T's & C's, is a moot point. 4. By mid-evening the deal is dead. But the window is still open. Oops. What do we say to disappointed Gasheads? 5. A last ditch plan is hatched. Make sure the paperwork isn't submitted in time, then pretend to conclude the deal. Oh no! We just missed the dead-line. 6. This way it's just a bit of bad luck with the paperwork. And Hussain doesn't get the blame for not forking out £800k (and why should he?). Jobs a good 'un. Say nothing official. Just let Tom leak 'the story'. It will all go away soon. Rovers will look inept and incompetent. No change there then. Too much conspiracy is not good and no club wants to deliberately look incompetent I just don't buy it |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 8, 2023 18:14:06 GMT
It just doesn't add up. But here's a possible scenario that might fit the picture: 1. Wael gets excited about bring JCH back. He knows the fans will love it. He agrees a deal in principle with Peterborough. 2. The deal gets as close as JCH getting in a cab and getting to the Quarters. 3. At some stage Hussain is needed to sign off on the deal. Now whether he balks at the original deal, or balks at a last minute change to the T's & C's, is a moot point. 4. By mid-evening the deal is dead. But the window is still open. Oops. What do we say to disappointed Gasheads? 5. A last ditch plan is hatched. Make sure the paperwork isn't submitted in time, then pretend to conclude the deal. Oh no! We just missed the dead-line. 6. This way it's just a bit of bad luck with the paperwork. And Hussain doesn't get the blame for not forking out £800k (and why should he?). Jobs a good 'un. Say nothing official. Just let Tom leak 'the story'. It will all go away soon. Rovers will look inept and incompetent. No change there then. Too much conspiracy is not good and no club wants to deliberately look incompetent I just don't buy it It's not a conspiracy harry. Just trying to square the circle. If you could come up with a credible scenario, I'm all ears. BRFC doesn't set out to look deliberately incompetent. But incompetence looks better than lying and/or misleading to the fan base. Plus supporters are used to it. Just another day in the office. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 9, 2023 10:29:08 GMT
Peterborough United chairman and owner Darragh MacAnthony has admitted he hopes Bristol Rovers sign Jonson Clarke-Harris in January after missing out on deal on deadline day but warns the Gas that there will be more competition.
Rovers narrowly missed the transfer deadline last Friday
Brilliant news and fee will surely be £250 -£300k
Bring on January
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 9, 2023 10:49:07 GMT
Considering Elliott Anderson made his debut for BRFC on the 5th February 2022 and after 21 games and 8 goals later, his last game was of course on 7th May 2022...
If we can get JCH in the January window this could make all the difference in pushing us to at least a play-off place come next may.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 9, 2023 12:35:20 GMT
Peterborough United chairman and owner Darragh MacAnthony has admitted he hopes Bristol Rovers sign Jonson Clarke-Harris in January after missing out on deal on deadline day but warns the Gas that there will be more competition. Rovers narrowly missed the transfer deadline last Friday Brilliant news and fee will surely be £250 -£300k Bring on January Posh will look for £500k plus. They will be thinking it's Jan and a sellers market. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 9, 2023 12:42:20 GMT
Well, February in reality. Only if we start getting the paperwork ready now!? ......it's bound to go up to 10.59pm on last day. |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 9, 2023 13:14:07 GMT
Peterborough United chairman and owner Darragh MacAnthony has admitted he hopes Bristol Rovers sign Jonson Clarke-Harris in January after missing out on deal on deadline day but warns the Gas that there will be more competition. Rovers narrowly missed the transfer deadline last Friday Brilliant news and fee will surely be £250 -£300k Bring on January if that is what he says then i fail to see where that comes from as i failed to see the rush from others in this past window, just chairman/ owner talk in an effort to bulk up the fee |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 9, 2023 15:26:39 GMT
The board comprises four people but we know that only two matter when it comes to decision making. Disdain is not the word I would use nor am I suspicious of their motives but I do believe they have proven themselves to be incompetent. And it may be that they are sufficiently incompetent to think they could do a £1.5 million value deal for JCH without getting the green light from the majority owner. So, IMO, the possibility remains that the plug was deliberately pulled at the last minute. But what do you think of the situation with the new owners ? With the benefit of a further three weeks experience at Rovers do you think Hussain has changed his mind and is now fully behind Wael & Joey’s plan to “go for it” with £800K or more sitting in the war chest ready for a January spending spree ? Or do you think they have been working hard behind the scenes and will shortly announce major changes to the way the club is managed ? L1 is a weak league this year and if there was ever a year to go and get a marquee signing or 2 and really go for promotion/play offs then this is it. So I can understand why there was either a change of tack or statement signing to be made. It could be a blessing in disguise in some ways, like you say, if we’ve got £800k to spend then there might be a better option in Jan. I think we need to look at our boardroom and admin team on the non-football side. It’s obvious we need a club secretary who knows what’s what so we don’t make this mistake again and looking at the south stand nonsense as well, if you were a paid somebody in management, with new owners I think I’d be looking over my shoulder. Whether they will get the broom out, I don’t know. I’ve met Abdullatif, albeit for a very short period and he seems very switched on and is also a director at another football club in Kuwait so has a certain degree of experience. We’ll see I guess. We seem to be finding a lot more common ground these days which is good. Your post below in reply to KP is something I could have written at any time over the last six years and it’s a pity more Gasheads didn’t recognize this earlier instead of putting blind faith in the leadership. “I think our lack of genuine business nous is really coming to light. People who are self made are usually as street wise as they come, they’ve done the hard yards, made mistakes on the way up they don’t repeat and know how to build structures and invest in people. “ Like you I saw some potential in Abdullatif and actually said to a few people that he looks as though he’s got a bit of go in him. But you’ve mentioned this directorship at a football club in Kuwait which we’ve heard about before and that throws up more question. If you were a director of a football club and wanted people to know about it wouldn’t you mention the name of that club ? It seems odd to me that a name hasn’t been mentioned and equally strange that in his LinkedIn profile he’s already listed himself as executive Vice President of BRFC but there is nothing about the Kuwaiti team. I’m not bringing this up to knock him but to try to get the message across that you need to be sharp to compete in the football business and if you’re going to claim experience with another professional club you have to be prepared to back it up. If nothing else the podcast with Darragh MacAnthony has shown Gasheads the kind of astute and quick witted people Rovers are going up against and if we don’t encourage our leaders to reach those competitive performance levels then we’ll always struggle as a football club. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 15, 2023 20:04:14 GMT
Considering Elliott Anderson made his debut for BRFC on the 5th February 2022 and after 21 games and 8 goals later, his last game was of course on 7th May 2022... If we can get JCH in the January window this could make all the difference in pushing us to at least a play-off place come next may. it’s good that he wanted to come. He had family in this part of the world? I still think spotting and dealing is an art we have only got right in certain periods of our history, simply because we had an artist who could do it. It went well under Holloway, Cureton, Roberts etc, but then Penny was the genius spotter wasn’t he? Francis remembering a lump he played against who had left the full time game to become electrician, he brought him in, and a player who Stoke didn’t want playing him at left back in their reserves, and the spotting of Martyn is legendary. More recently, how much did we pay for Snake and Sincs, and look how many L1 and L2 man of matches they picked up. Why spend such sums, instead master the art of spottting. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 15, 2023 20:55:32 GMT
To spot we needed spotters and I can't really see JB or EJ doing that role? We seem to have employed one of their dodgy mates as Chief Scout but not really sure what, if anything, he does with regards to scouting for the club.
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Post by bondigas on Sept 15, 2023 21:48:29 GMT
Dodgy mate,the guy was one of the accused in a murder trial. Tomorrows game is now almost irrelevant when it comes to whats happening within and at the club.
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Post by trymer on Sept 17, 2023 16:18:36 GMT
I wonder if JCH will be signed in January? what would happen if John Marquis goes on a goal scoring run between now and the window ? he has had a pretty good goals to games played in the past.
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Post by rufustfirefly on Nov 16, 2023 16:03:46 GMT
While scanning today's online football news I was interested to read that Carlton Palmer has suggested that Derby County need to get a proven striker when the transfer window opens in January.
Furthermore he has highlighted JCH as the man for the job at Derby County!
I wondered if Palmer was getting a bung from the Posh chairman to instigate a New Year bidding war to ensure Posh maximise their return for JCH?
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 17, 2023 20:43:44 GMT
While scanning today's online football news I was interested to read that Carlton Palmer has suggested that Derby County need to get a proven striker when the transfer window opens in January. Furthermore he has highlighted JCH as the man for the job at Derby County! I wondered if Palmer was getting a bung from the Posh chairman to instigate a New Year bidding war to ensure Posh maximise their return for JCH? Let them have him I say, he can't be match fit, though he did play in their cup replay this week and scored, but not regular enough to be up and running in the transfer window to drop into a team,and still injury prone.. |
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Post by texasgas on Jan 6, 2024 21:46:35 GMT
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Post by Angas on Jan 6, 2024 21:59:51 GMT
According to soccerbase Peterborough paid us £1.2m for him. Is that right?
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