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Post by baldrick on Oct 8, 2024 15:42:26 GMT
Caught a bit on the radio this morning about an Albanian thief who was deported but sneaked back into Britain (seems easy to do) and is now to be allowed to stay here,must be more to the story but I didnt hear all of it. Originally came to the UK illegally. Was jailed here for burglary and then deported to serve the rest of his sentence in Albania under the returns agreement. Was released (I believe) after serving 6 months of a 2 1/2 Yr sentence. Sneaked back into the UK illegally to be with his Lithuanian girlfriend who he apparently married and had a child. The ECHR deemed he was entitled to a family life in the UK and could not be deported.....Unbelievable. Was it a British judge deciding or did it go as far as Strasbourg? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 8, 2024 15:54:04 GMT
Originally came to the UK illegally. Was jailed here for burglary and then deported to serve the rest of his sentence in Albania under the returns agreement. Was released (I believe) after serving 6 months of a 2 1/2 Yr sentence. Sneaked back into the UK illegally to be with his Lithuanian girlfriend who he apparently married and had a child. The ECHR deemed he was entitled to a family life in the UK and could not be deported.....Unbelievable. Was it a British judge deciding or did it go as far as Strasbourg? The main articles on this in the Express and Telegraph are vague but it appears to be in the UK not Strasbourg. But it looks as if the judgement was made in March 2024 while James Cleverly was Home Secretary and he felt that it should not stand. I believe it was due to the separation of the family and the health of his new wife. The Telegraph states that it was '...judge’s ruling was upheld by an upper immigration tribunal...' That would be in the UK. I presume the UK Government can take it further to the European Court. |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 8, 2024 16:45:00 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Oct 8, 2024 16:55:04 GMT
Was it a British judge deciding or did it go as far as Strasbourg? The main articles on this in the Express and Telegraph are vague but it appears to be in the UK not Strasbourg. But it looks as if the judgement was made in March 2024 while James Cleverly was Home Secretary and he felt that it should not stand. I believe it was due to the separation of the family and the health of his new wife. The Telegraph states that it was '...judge’s ruling was upheld by an upper immigration tribunal...' That would be in the UK. I presume the UK Government can take it further to the European Court. Thanks, that was my understanding but the Telegraph and Express articles were behind paywalls. Headline grabbing free, details for a fee. Funny that. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 6:58:23 GMT
The cheating Albanian burglar owns a Ferari.
Leave the awful ECHR.
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 7:21:31 GMT
The cheating Albanian burglar owns a Ferari. Leave the awful ECHR. Which one? |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 7:27:51 GMT
The cheating Albanian burglar owns a Ferari. Leave the awful ECHR. Which one? How many ECHRs are there? |
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 7:29:49 GMT
How many ECHRs are there? Dopey Which Ferrari? |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 9, 2024 8:05:51 GMT
The cheating Albanian burglar owns a Ferari. Leave the awful ECHR. Which right do you want to give up? |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 9:18:41 GMT
The cheating Albanian burglar owns a Ferari. Leave the awful ECHR. Which right do you want to give up? I want a more appropriate right,leave the ECHR for a GBCHR. As for the Ferari,I think the illegals a crook and he's taking the mickey.That's how a lot of Britons will see it as. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 9:19:42 GMT
How many ECHRs are there? Dopey Which Ferrari? Don't know,don't care. I would'nt buy one even if I could afford one. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 9:26:11 GMT
Don't know,don't care. I would'nt buy one even if I could afford one. Apparently GB News confused an ancient Austin Metro with a Ferrari. Lots have people have mind |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 9, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 9:37:21 GMT
Oh right,my mistake, thanks Chesh. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 9, 2024 9:48:04 GMT
Which right do you want to give up? I want a more appropriate right,leave the ECHR for a GBCHR. As for the Ferari,I think the illegals a crook and he's taking the mickey.That's how a lot of Britons will see it as. Which right though? Right to life: The state must protect people's lives by enforcing the law and protecting those in danger. Prohibition of torture: The ECHR prohibits torture and the death penalty. Prohibition of slavery: The ECHR prohibits slavery and forced labor. Right to liberty and security: The ECHR guarantees the right to liberty and security. Right to a fair trial: The ECHR guarantees the right to a fair trial. Freedom of expression: The ECHR guarantees freedom of expression. Freedom of assembly and association: The ECHR guarantees freedom of assembly and association. Prohibition of discrimination: The ECHR prohibits discrimination. Right to respect for private and family life: The ECHR guarantees the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and correspondence. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 9:58:37 GMT
I want a more appropriate right,leave the ECHR for a GBCHR. As for the Ferari,I think the illegals a crook and he's taking the mickey.That's how a lot of Britons will see it as. Which right though? Right to life: The state must protect people's lives by enforcing the law and protecting those in danger. Prohibition of torture: The ECHR prohibits torture and the death penalty. Prohibition of slavery: The ECHR prohibits slavery and forced labor. Right to liberty and security: The ECHR guarantees the right to liberty and security. Right to a fair trial: The ECHR guarantees the right to a fair trial. Freedom of expression: The ECHR guarantees freedom of expression. Freedom of assembly and association: The ECHR guarantees freedom of assembly and association. Prohibition of discrimination: The ECHR prohibits discrimination. Right to respect for private and family life: The ECHR guarantees the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and correspondence. There will be plenty of rights kept from the ECHR. We just twaddle a few things in favour of Britons rights and safety. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 9, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
Which right though? Right to life: The state must protect people's lives by enforcing the law and protecting those in danger. Prohibition of torture: The ECHR prohibits torture and the death penalty. Prohibition of slavery: The ECHR prohibits slavery and forced labor. Right to liberty and security: The ECHR guarantees the right to liberty and security. Right to a fair trial: The ECHR guarantees the right to a fair trial. Freedom of expression: The ECHR guarantees freedom of expression. Freedom of assembly and association: The ECHR guarantees freedom of assembly and association. Prohibition of discrimination: The ECHR prohibits discrimination. Right to respect for private and family life: The ECHR guarantees the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and correspondence. There will be plenty of rights kept from the ECHR. We just twaddle a few things in favour of Britons rights and safety. It's fundamental to the proposal though Bas. What would change? |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 10:06:35 GMT
There will be plenty of rights kept from the ECHR. We just twaddle a few things in favour of Britons rights and safety. It's fundamental to the proposal though Bas. What would change? British judges would make judgement,not European . |
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 10:30:40 GMT
It's fundamental to the proposal though Bas. What would change? British judges would make judgement,not European . What was that humorous quiz programme on R4? Oh yes "Sorry, I havent a clue" How on earth can anyone support change when they have no clue what change will look like? |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 9, 2024 10:51:29 GMT
It's fundamental to the proposal though Bas. What would change? British judges would make judgement,not European . So just for clarity, you are happy with the actual content but have an issue with who interprets and how they interpret. Is that fair? |
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