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Post by Icegas on Oct 1, 2024 16:46:23 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but someone at work last night told me that it was on the news yesterday that there are over 30,000 migrants in over 250 hotels costing 4.2 million a day ! 😡 Pensioners can’t get help with there heating this winter, yet we can pay for mostly fighting aged men to stay in hotels like this who have came here illegally. This generation has gotten things so ass backwards. Perhaps if the previous idiots hadn't hacked back the people checking applications, or had the balls to speak to our EU counterparts [rather than being afraid of Brexit voters] we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Get the applications done, get people out of hotels, get people out of the country who shouldn't be here, and we might save some money!! I agree, while I can't stand Starmer and I am genuinely worried about this egotistical,vile man and his potential actions in the future. It's the Torries that has have created this problem but screwing up Brexit and post Brexit as they never wanted it in the first place. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 2, 2024 9:10:07 GMT
Looks like more refugees forced on to the global stage -
China’s state-owned news agency Xinhua reports that over 200 Chinese nationals have been evacuated from Lebanon. The Lebanese government has stated that a fifth of the country’s population – about one million people – have been displaced from their homes by Israeli airstrikes.
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Post by oldie on Oct 2, 2024 9:50:55 GMT
Looks like more refugees forced on to the global stage - China’s state-owned news agency Xinhua reports that over 200 Chinese nationals have been evacuated from Lebanon. The Lebanese government has stated that a fifth of the country’s population – about one million people – have been displaced from their homes by Israeli airstrikes.Pull up the drawbridges I hear the cry. |
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 2, 2024 10:05:20 GMT
Whilst
@keir_Starmer
takes pensioners heating away, he's spending £4.2m a day on housing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in our hotels, at our cost, for at least the next 3 years.
More arriving everyday.
Then they'll be put into social housing, before our own people!
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 2, 2024 10:20:46 GMT
Over 30,000 migrants - and their families - could be handed residency rights in Britain if the EU gets its way
Sir Keir Starmer cannot be handed a "free lunch" if he wants a a so-called relations reset with the EU, the bloc's leaders have warned - with migration high on the European agenda.
Ahead of the PM's visit to Brussels today to get the ball rolling on a new post-Brexit deal, continental bigwigs are understood to have demanded British concessions on migration
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 2, 2024 10:28:51 GMT
Whilst @keir_Starmer takes pensioners heating away, he's spending £4.2m a day on housing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in our hotels, at our cost, for at least the next 3 years. More arriving everyday. Then they'll be put into social housing, before our own people! Two months in they are trying to speed up applications, have already had flights taking failures out, talking to their European counterparts, and setting up a force to combat the traffickers. That's how you empty the hotels. Sorting out other peoples mess not rhetoric. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 2, 2024 17:14:23 GMT
Whilst @keir_Starmer takes pensioners heating away, he's spending £4.2m a day on housing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in our hotels, at our cost, for at least the next 3 years. More arriving everyday. Then they'll be put into social housing, before our own people! Two months in they are trying to speed up applications, have already had flights taking failures out, talking to their European counterparts, and setting up a force to combat the traffickers. That's how you empty the hotels. Sorting out other peoples mess not rhetoric. How many have left and how many have arrived since labour took power ? As for 'smashing the gangs' its too lucrative just like they cant stop drug dealers,theres too much money involved,these poor old penniless refugees are paying 3 thousands each to get here. |
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 2, 2024 17:43:48 GMT
Whilst @keir_Starmer takes pensioners heating away, he's spending £4.2m a day on housing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in our hotels, at our cost, for at least the next 3 years. More arriving everyday. Then they'll be put into social housing, before our own people! Two months in they are trying to speed up applications, have already had flights taking failures out, talking to their European counterparts, and setting up a force to combat the traffickers. That's how you empty the hotels. Sorting out other peoples mess not rhetoric. EU tells Starmer to accept tens of thousands of migrants a year to secure PM's 'relations reset'😂😂😂, talks going well !! |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 2, 2024 19:22:24 GMT
So Jenrick is adamant we have to leave the ECHR in order to deport.
Bearing in mind other countries within it manage to do just fine, can anyone articulate a good reason why it holds us back?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 3, 2024 9:03:39 GMT
Two months in they are trying to speed up applications, have already had flights taking failures out, talking to their European counterparts, and setting up a force to combat the traffickers. That's how you empty the hotels. Sorting out other peoples mess not rhetoric. How many have left and how many have arrived since labour took power ? As for 'smashing the gangs' its too lucrative just like they cant stop drug dealers,theres too much money involved,these poor old penniless refugees are paying 3 thousands each to get here. Well the threat by the Tories to send them to Rwanda didn't stop them coming. Many would have set off months ago when the threat was still in place, so that didn't deter anyone, apart from a few who were already here and skipped to Ireland! |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 3, 2024 9:10:57 GMT
So Jenrick is adamant we have to leave the ECHR in order to deport. Bearing in mind other countries within it manage to do just fine, can anyone articulate a good reason why it holds us back? Bump. Any takers? |
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Post by trymer on Oct 3, 2024 11:06:32 GMT
How many have left and how many have arrived since labour took power ? As for 'smashing the gangs' its too lucrative just like they cant stop drug dealers,theres too much money involved,these poor old penniless refugees are paying 3 thousands each to get here. Well the threat by the Tories to send them to Rwanda didn't stop them coming. Many would have set off months ago when the threat was still in place, so that didn't deter anyone, apart from a few who were already here and skipped to Ireland! Cheshire this is another 'yeh but tories/boris' type post....remember labour were going to be better,it was all about CHANGE , they had the answers. btw I heard Radio 4 from Calais before the election and some people WERE saying that they were waiting for the result of the election here before they decided whether to come here..they werent going to take the chance of paying to come here and then possibly have to go to Rwanda ...so for them it was a deterrent. I said that its like drug dealing the rewards are potentially too big for criminals to ignore,a bloke got 20 years yesterday for smuggling massive amounts of cocaine,he knew the chance he was taking but he was prepared to risk it (you know that at least 2 drug smugglers will take his place) these people smugglers will be the same,smash a gang and 2 will replace them...its greed like prohibition in America made organised crime bigger and more powerful. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2024 11:15:32 GMT
The whole point of the Rwanda policy was not to actually move people there, but it was designed to be a deterrent so that people knew, if caught, they'd be sent there! With this in place many wouldn't bother even attempting the crossing. It wasn't given any time to show any real positive effect, however early indications were good with the flood of illegals going to Ireland.
"Smashing the gangs" as a policy is really either taking the piss out of the public or just the government showing how totally out of their depth they are. It's just a 'window dressing' policy.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 3, 2024 12:31:11 GMT
The whole point of the Rwanda policy was not to actually move people there, but it was designed to be a deterrent so that people knew, if caught, they'd be sent there! With this in place many wouldn't bother even attempting the crossing. It wasn't given any time to show any real positive effect, however early indications were good with the flood of illegals going to Ireland. "Smashing the gangs" as a policy is really either taking the piss out of the public or just the government showing how totally out of their depth they are. It's just a 'window dressing' policy. The numbers going weren't expected to be high, it was still worth the risk. Not that I think if was a deterrent anyway. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 3, 2024 13:38:54 GMT
The whole point of the Rwanda policy was not to actually move people there, but it was designed to be a deterrent so that people knew, if caught, they'd be sent there! With this in place many wouldn't bother even attempting the crossing. It wasn't given any time to show any real positive effect, however early indications were good with the flood of illegals going to Ireland. "Smashing the gangs" as a policy is really either taking the piss out of the public or just the government showing how totally out of their depth they are. It's just a 'window dressing' policy. The whole point was to act as a deterrent. The Tories started working on it and publicising it in 2022. The flow did not lessen. Those who went to Ireland were already in the UK as the Irish discussed checking every flight from the UK. So is your view that it is not even worth trying to work on intelligence and stop the gangs? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2024 14:41:42 GMT
The whole point of the Rwanda policy was not to actually move people there, but it was designed to be a deterrent so that people knew, if caught, they'd be sent there! With this in place many wouldn't bother even attempting the crossing. It wasn't given any time to show any real positive effect, however early indications were good with the flood of illegals going to Ireland. "Smashing the gangs" as a policy is really either taking the piss out of the public or just the government showing how totally out of their depth they are. It's just a 'window dressing' policy. The whole point was to act as a deterrent. The Tories started working on it and publicising it in 2022. The flow did not lessen. Those who went to Ireland were already in the UK as the Irish discussed checking every flight from the UK. So is your view that it is not even worth trying to work on intelligence and stop the gangs? You won't stop them Terry. As long as the demand is there the 'gangs' will continue. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2024 14:42:58 GMT
The whole point of the Rwanda policy was not to actually move people there, but it was designed to be a deterrent so that people knew, if caught, they'd be sent there! With this in place many wouldn't bother even attempting the crossing. It wasn't given any time to show any real positive effect, however early indications were good with the flood of illegals going to Ireland. "Smashing the gangs" as a policy is really either taking the piss out of the public or just the government showing how totally out of their depth they are. It's just a 'window dressing' policy. The numbers going weren't expected to be high, it was still worth the risk. Not that I think if was a deterrent anyway. It wasn't given time to find out. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 3, 2024 16:33:11 GMT
The whole point was to act as a deterrent. The Tories started working on it and publicising it in 2022. The flow did not lessen. Those who went to Ireland were already in the UK as the Irish discussed checking every flight from the UK. So is your view that it is not even worth trying to work on intelligence and stop the gangs? You won't stop them Terry. As long as the demand is there the 'gangs' will continue. So Labour should just give up then....? |
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Post by oldie on Oct 3, 2024 16:45:56 GMT
You won't stop them Terry. As long as the demand is there the 'gangs' will continue. So Labour should just give up then....? It's such a broader debate than the immigration to our country. It's more about shifting ecology, the growing (it is already huge) income distribution curve gap between the wealthy northern (mostly) hemisphere countries and the poor southern hemisphere. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 3, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
So Labour should just give up then....? It's such a broader debate than the immigration to our country. It's more about shifting ecology, the growing (it is already huge) income distribution curve gap between the wealthy northern (mostly) hemisphere countries and the poor southern hemisphere. There is a significant debate to have and it needs an all nations solution. Migration is going to get worse as climate change impacts nations, but we can't have that debate while we have national leaders who are part of the climate change denial wing. Nations continue to indulge in warfare, but we can't have that debate due to geopolitics. Citizens of poorer nations will always want to move to seek to better themselves but we can't have that debate while rich nations exploit poorer nations and political parties of richer nations don't want to maintain international aid programmes. And so the migration issue continues, and I guess we will never see a solution. Just patches on the sticky problems. |
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